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Giggsyking said:
He is. No way PSG can make their books clean in front of the FFP if they do not cover payments under the table. As for sporting reasons. No, joining the farmers League is never a sporting reason. He cant join a football club just to play 6 CL games a year and be satisfied with his sporting reason. Also there are no guarantees the will compete for the CL.
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He isn't. See how I can make definitive statements like that without knowing any of the facts? Only mine makes more sense than yours, because PSG is already constantly under scrutiny, and after this move that's only going to get worse. If they made the move, they will be able to justify it, especially because the cash flow required for a contract over a transfer fee + contract is easier to manage. I don't think people realize just how much money PSG generates now compared to five years ago. And signing all these great players on a free is going to only increase that revenue. Now, they will need to sell players off, and this isn't going to be sustainable for more than a few years, but I can confidently say nothing will happen to PSG because of this move. There's absolutely a guarantee they will compete for the CL, they managed a final and semi-final last season with a much weaker team than they have this season, and that's before even adding Messi to the mix. It's a tournament competition, there's no guarantees to win the whole thing, but compete? Absolutely. You're completely off on this one, but not surprised when I read someone say farmer's league, it already tells me everything I need to know about that person.
 
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ROFLUTION said:
Source: The same that photoshopped an empty stadium so it looked like packed with Real fans.

Highly doubt it's true. I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth rather than one that just wants to slag off anything Barca-related.

PSG's highest shirts ever sold IN TOTAL in one year is 226.000. Neymar sold 10.000 when he came, so it's probably classic Marca-bullshit.
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PSG highest shirt sale is supposed to be over 1 million in 2019, they are supposed to be currently in the top 5 in Europe. In 2017 it was supposed to be 800m.
 

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JPRouve said:
PSG highest shirt sale is supposed to be over 1 million in 2019, they are supposed to be currently in the top 5 in Europe. In 2017 it was supposed to be 800m.
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Hmm the article I found probably had an old number in before the take-over.
You mean 800k?
 

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good old ballbag

But on a serious note I find it interesting he's been learning English for 18 months now, connecting the dots it's because he knew the Man city move was very much on the cards for him and that was his intention to go there.
 

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good old ballbag

But on a serious note I find it interesting he's been learning English for 18 months now, connecting the dots it's because he knew the Man city move was very much on the cards for him and that was his intention to go there.
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Could also be eyeing up a move to the MLS relatively soon too tbf. Think it was suggested that would be his destination in a couple of years if that Barca contract had gone through.
 

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Oly Francis said:
1) It's not possible we sold that many
2) Most of it yes but according to various sources, the club still gets 25-45€ per jersey sold because Nike doesn't take any money on the name print (and that alone is 15€).
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It's litteraly the 1st time I ever read that (and i read pretty much everything related to the club finances). All the articles from french sources mention royalties on top of the licensing deal.

And even if it's true, it's meaningless unless you know what the "thresholds" are. The sure thing is, PSG did benefit from jersey sales when Neymar and Mbappé were transfered because the big spike in commercial revenues can't be from sponsorships only.

Also, this doesn't make any sense since any brand needs to pay distributor/retailer fees, Nike can't "get 100%". So who gets the money when PSG is the retailer (as opposed to jersey's sold at footlocker or any store like that)?
Finally, the club gets at least 15€ per jersey because that's what it costs to get the name of a player printend on the back.

A lot of holes in this story imo.
 
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Gibb11 said:
good old ballbag

But on a serious note I find it interesting he's been learning English for 18 months now, connecting the dots it's because he knew the Man city move was very much on the cards for him and that was his intention to go there.
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More MLS/post football career than PL interest I think to be honest.
 

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I made that point for International football, not Club football.


I agree Messi is the better footballer. My initial comment was that Ronaldo has the 'larger body of work'.
Just like Denilson (Betis) is a better footballer than Pedro (Barca) but Pedro has a larger body of work.
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You are funny
 

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Royal Madrid said:
I made that point for International football, not Club football.


I agree Messi is the better footballer. My initial comment was that Ronaldo has the 'larger body of work'.
Just like Denilson (Betis) is a better footballer than Pedro (Barca) but Pedro has a larger body of work.
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What larger body of work? Messi has more trophies, more Golden Boots, more domestic league top scorer awards, more Balón d'ors.

You're half right in saying that Messi is the better footballer. You're wrong in saying that Ronaldo has the 'larger body of work' given that Messi's accomplishments have already surpassed Ronaldo.
 

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Gibb11 said:
good old ballbag

But on a serious note I find it interesting he's been learning English for 18 months now, connecting the dots it's because he knew the Man city move was very much on the cards for him and that was his intention to go there.
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I wonder why he suddenly think decided to go to psg. What do you reckon?
 

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Hard to assess the impact Messi will ultimately have on actual revenues but this gives an idea of the attraction he generates.

 

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gorky_utd said:
964 million social media impression :lol: . How many of them were bots?
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Is that actually a large figure? If you search "Messi", "PSG," "Football", "transfers", "Barcelona" or any sports news outlet you will get at least a handful of links that lead to PSG and Messi.
 

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JPRouve said:
Is that actually a large figure? If you search "Messi", "PSG," "Football", "transfers", "Barcelona" or any sports news outlet you will get at least a handful of links that lead to PSG and Messi.
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It could be true. But I don't trust anything regarding this transfer. Everything including the barca press conference seemed artificial.
 

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gorky_utd said:
It could be true. But I don't trust anything regarding this transfer. Everything including the barca press conference seemed artificial.
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But isn't that true for most things surrounding professional sport? They all use the same marketing tools and in particulary when it comes to big clubs they are all trying to sell something to someone and creating a narrative, it's for a large part artificial. Keep in mind that the tweet that the stats that you are talking about mainly includes a dozen of large companies trying to make money out of the deal, it's not actually directly linked to PSG.
 

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Oly Francis said:
Hard to assess the impact Messi will ultimately have on actual revenues but this gives an idea of the attraction he generates.

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Engagements dont really generate real money do they? post value? Where the heck does it even come from?
 

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tenpoless said:
It says "post value"
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My question was about whether a monetized link/page would count as creating value. For example if you click on a Marca article, you are sent to a page that is monetized.
 

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Is that actually a large figure? If you search "Messi", "PSG," "Football", "transfers", "Barcelona" or any sports news outlet you will get at least a handful of links that lead to PSG and Messi.
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Nearly every fan and other intrigued where he'll end up. I have noticed a push from social media when I haven't even searched them..
 

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My question was about whether a monetized link/page would count as creating value. For example if you click on a Marca article, you are sent to a page that is monetized.
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monetization of football, from my historical knowledge, is awful. Give me finance any day for monetized content.
 

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elmo said:
They don't. Social media companies just compare it with their ad sales and make up unrealistic shit to make themselves sound more impressive.
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A part of this is true, hence the fact that I didn't mention actual revenues.

You can determine the value of a click/impression though, that's what ad companies do when they charge depending on how many time your ad was seen.
 

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elmo said:
They don't. Social media companies just compare it with their ad sales and make up unrealistic shit to make themselves sound more impressive.
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Its just mental how this "post value" generates 40+ millions USD. And that was in what? 5 days?
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My question was about whether a monetized link/page would count as creating value. For example if you click on a Marca article, you are sent to a page that is monetized.
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As far as I know, if someone clicks on an ad on your site, that refers to another site, they will pay you for generating views for them. Thats how it normally works. It helps the businsess that pays to reach out potential customers. Your page/site acts like a tool to help them promote their business.

But if its about certain keyword like Messi, that causes people talk about it on social media, that also makes people share articles about it I dont think those articles creators has to pay anything at all to PSG. People can freely advertise something on social media by talking about it and nobody has to pay anything. At least thats how I understand it.
 

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tenpoless said:
Its just mental how this "post value" generates 40+ millions USD. And that was in what? 5 days?
As far as I know, if someone clicks on an ad on your site, that refers to another site, they will pay you for generating views for them. Thats how it normally works. It helps the businsess that pays to reach out potential customers. Your page/site is just a tool to help them promote their business.

But if its about certain keyword like Messi, that causes people talk about it on social media, that also makes people share articles about it I dont think those articles creators has to pay anything at all to PSG. People can freely advertise something on social media by talking about it and nobody has to pay anything. At least thats how I understand it.
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My point wasn't about PSG but just the value creation. Who gets it is irrelevant and in this case it's quite obvious that it wouldn't be PSG.
 

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JPRouve said:
My point wasn't about PSG but just the value creation. Who gets it is irrelevant and in this case it's quite obvious that it wouldn't be PSG.
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Hmm.. to the social media or sponsors perhaps. But its not a real money regardless. I mean if its about value creation, even if Messi didnt join PSG and some kid decided to talk about Messi on facebook and his post caused his friends to buy original Barca jersey, that also counts as value creation. But that doesnt mean that all posts about Messi will give anyone real money.
 

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tenpoless said:
Hmm.. to the social media or sponsors perhaps. But its not a real money regardless. I mean if its about value creation, even if Messi didnt join PSG and some kid decided to talk about Messi on facebook and his post caused their friends to buy original Barca jersey, that also counts as value creation.
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Of course but someone is still paid ads revenues depending on the type of engagement. And I was entertaining the question that you asked about engagements creating real money, they do if it's a monetized link, they don't if you do most the other engagements like sharing, liking, dislking or commenting without clicking on a monetized link.

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They'll just spin it off as them saving that much on paid social media posts.
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They definitely will or claim that 100% of engagements are single users and fans of PSG.
 

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JPRouve said:
Of course but someone is still paid ads revenues depending on the type of engagement. And I was entertaining the question that you asked about engagements creating real money, they do if it's a monetized link, they don't if you do most the other engagements like sharing, liking, dislking or commenting without clicking on a monetized link.
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Ah yeah, I should have worded it better. I meant to question the legimity of those numbers. I dont think all engagements generate real money unless if all of them are about clicking ads. In this case, that 40m+ figure seems very dodgy. I doubt users posts on social media created that much real money. Potential money maybe.
 
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