Why did Lukaku get straight into the team but our signings aren't ready? I have seen this game too often for my liking under Ole. Harry, Lindelof and AWB were shocking. Matic needs to be moved asap. Sign a bloody DCM Ole and get Trippier in. Again Martial shows his class disappearing act, need to get him to a proper Circus to fulfill his talent and be appreciated. Cavani or not our striker options remain limited.
PL D FA Premier League
Southampton 1:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 22 August 2021
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Same old ,same old. We are finishing 4th this season, any talk of contending for the title is a joke.
I do agree and their goal was stupidly unlucky for us.
But Southampton dominated long periods of the game and we couldn’t get a foot on the ball which to me is very concerning.
I’m sure we will be better next week but very disappointed today.
Like Ole said: "we lacked runs in behind". If we're playing with Bruno close to the striker and Pogba as a LW, we need at least one player behind them to make those runs and create space for Pogba and Bruno. That's why Matic and Fred is the worst pairing we could have in the double pivot, and i thought that was obvious.
Play only one of Fred and Matic, and one of Scott and DVB, this way we'll have at least one player capable of making runs.
Games like these shows how badly we need another midfielder. Rice won't happen, and i get that he's Ole number 1 target. But at this point, i'd take Neves, better than Matic and Fred.
Play only one of Fred and Matic, and one of Scott and DVB, this way we'll have at least one player capable of making runs.
Games like these shows how badly we need another midfielder. Rice won't happen, and i get that he's Ole number 1 target. But at this point, i'd take Neves, better than Matic and Fred.
Feel the same.
We are so slow when building from the back. Maguire and Lindelof just seem to pass the ball back and forth between themselves forever. No surprise they get turned over so often.
Receive the ball, pass and MOVE! Not difficult lads.
Receive the ball, pass and MOVE! Not difficult lads.
I thought Harry, Lindelof and AWB were reasonably good today TBH.
I'm not expecting us to be suddenly world beaters this season so the result isn't a surprise. Hopefully when Cavani is back, and Sacho and Varane have settled in we'll be a step up from last year.
I prefer that kit to the others
So we might get a settled team by the time City equal our PL title count or Chelsea surpass our CL wins?
The apologists on here always have another trick up their sleeve.
Can't blame Pogba having doubts about signing deal when he sees how the team around him just aren't on his wavelength today
Would not put money on it.
That's what happens when you play with Martial up front (or anywhere, really). His off the ball movement is terrible.
Sign a bloody midfielder that is able to come in ASAP. That chap from Brighton looks a player.
Yeah can't be doing with them making excuses after dropping points
You did? Thought Harry had one of his worst games for us, Lindelöf just as always and AWB offered us absolutely nothing. Terrible performance from many players today Martial and Matic leading the pack.
I think you’ve got to trust the manager to know when players are ready to start. It’s a Kong season. It’s easy to judge these things with the benefit of hindsight, but a manager has to pick a. Team ahead of time. Last last week when he selected James. There was a vitriolic reaction from online fans, we then romped to a 5-1 win. A manager has to go with what he sees in training and what he thinks will work, all things considered. I don’t have any real issues with his team selection today, but I am understandably disappointed with the performance. The XI he out was easily good enough to win, but individuals didn’t perform.
I am sure he wanted them to play with a higher tempo but perhaps fitness and opposition prevented it from being executed effectively.
AWB is clearly a superior player to Dalot. One disappointing game doesn’t change that. I think we are better off playing our first choice players into form and fitness, and you do that by having consistent selections.
As for VdB, he was shocking last season and hasn’t shown anything so far to warrant a place in the team. He’ll get his opportunities and he has to take them when they come and give the manager a selection headache. I maintain that it’s a long season. One draw shouldn’t result in a baby/bath water situation occurring.
I understand your frustration. It is shared after today’s performance.
You're being hysterical.
United will never win the title with this manager.
United will never win the title with a midfield that contains both Matic and Fred.
United will never win the title with a manager that prefers Martial over Sancho.
United have gone backwards since last season.
Tuchel comes into Chelsea and immediately turns them into title contenders while United reward a manager that has won nothing with a new contract.
United are already just playing for top 4 again.
The title race is already between Chelsea, Scousers and City.
United will never win the title with a midfield that contains both Matic and Fred.
United will never win the title with a manager that prefers Martial over Sancho.
United have gone backwards since last season.
Tuchel comes into Chelsea and immediately turns them into title contenders while United reward a manager that has won nothing with a new contract.
United are already just playing for top 4 again.
The title race is already between Chelsea, Scousers and City.
Things we still lack:
A sophisticated approach to high pressing
A manager with good strategy
A defensive midfield
A striker (Till Cav comes back)
A world class goal keeper
Things we now have
Width
Decent coaching (maybe)
Solid defense
So I do see us finishing top four. I'm not sure there's much chance of the title though unless we address most of the first list.
A sophisticated approach to high pressing
A manager with good strategy
A defensive midfield
A striker (Till Cav comes back)
A world class goal keeper
Things we now have
Width
Decent coaching (maybe)
Solid defense
So I do see us finishing top four. I'm not sure there's much chance of the title though unless we address most of the first list.
Reserving judgement until at least 5 games in but very disappointed in the dropped points today.
Well my point was I don't think with Sancho and Varane not in the team yet why would we expect us to suddenly be better than last season? The Europa Final showed what this team's level is.
Don’t forget Mata was given an extension, Jones a new contract, Lingard and Peirrera are still here.
So by our standards I am not surprised, he is still more useful then that lot.
Well I thought we might be up there challenging now we’ve apparently got the right wing sorted amd central defence amd with Cavani up front. However, after Maguires display today it should be him getting dropped for Varane not Lindelof. Maybe bring a bit optimistic I suppose but I don’t really want be one of those doom amd gloom merchants which I find I am becoming.
One of my main gripes from last season, usually followed by an iffy ball from Lindelof to AWB
I truly am one of those who feel on top of the world when we start an opener in the fashion we did, but at the same time its 37 games ahead of us with different opposition. Get excited after smashing 5 past the first 5 perhaps? Massive exaggeration, but the comments after leeds were premature no?
Disappointed in dropping points because feel Southampton will be in the relegation fight this year. Need to be getting maximum points from these games.
The thing is, we haven't had either of the newbies start yet. So how can the improvement have happened yet?
This is the cold hard truth that a lot of fans need to understand. At this moment we are still in this mindset that it's the "utd way" of doing things. Ole is not in the same league when it comes to management and coaching compared to klopp, pep and teuchel. Due to that, those 3 clubs will finish above utd this season due to the manager, rather than the players at their disposal.
Yet when Mata gets signed on every year, there's always loads on here who think it's smart.
When he's offered as little as Matic for many years now.
I hate our fans.
My optimism was before the season started.
Apart from the team as a whole being mostly poor the most frustrating thing was the lack of urgency in this game. We played as if the team was out on a bender last night.
Shaw played the last 10 minutes as if we were 2-0 up trying to see out the game, it was so bizzare. There's no reason why the team should be as leggy and laboured as we were today, it's the second game of the season ffs.
Shaw played the last 10 minutes as if we were 2-0 up trying to see out the game, it was so bizzare. There's no reason why the team should be as leggy and laboured as we were today, it's the second game of the season ffs.
Because we hate it when our team plays badly? Which fans are any different?
Two new players aren’t enough to make us win the league. We also need improvement from the existing ones.
Well it might well be placed well. But we can't judge that until those 2 have actually started a game or two.
It doesn't help that Cavani is out either, and we're trying to rehab a player like Martial who had a dreadful last year.
Was 3/4s a good performance. Was really unlucky with their goal and created enough to win it. Most disappointing part was we put some great dead balls into the box and missed some really straight forward headers.
Ran out of legs by the end. Frustrating
Ran out of legs by the end. Frustrating
That is silly in itself. Someone like Varane, who has done and won it all or so, does NOT need time to settle in and to earn a start. I can understand the old need for playing 2 CDMs when we had Lindelof and Bailly as the other (brainfart-prone) CB, but that should be a relic of a distant past now.
Speaking of our midfield, the fact that we don't even play VDB when we need a creative spark is bordering criminal. Teams with ambitions are not afraid to go for the win even if that means risking a defeat on a counterattack or on a fluke goal. If VDB hands in a transfer request, I'd back him 110% because we currently have such a negligent manager at this moment.
The lack of intensity in our play after we equalized was baffling. Southampton must have been expecting to be under far more pressure with 35 minutes to go after we scored. Players strolling around. Why?
Out of interest, what lesson are we talking about?
If he’s just got to learn to choose all the right players, coach them all the right way, make sure they’re all fit, give them all the right tactical instructions and make sure they all follow the instructions, fully negate any qualities the opposition might have, ensure all our qualities are maximised and we create many chances, scoring from all of them and, of course, never concede, then sure, you’d think he might have learnt that by now.
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Score Predictions
321,8,10
- Man Utd win
- Southampton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 27% Southampton 0:3 Man Utd
- 24% Southampton 1:3 Man Utd
- 17% Southampton 0:2 Man Utd
- 10% Southampton 1:2 Man Utd
- 6% Southampton 0:4 Man Utd
- 5% Southampton 1:4 Man Utd
- 4% Southampton 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Southampton 1:1 Man Utd
- 1% Southampton 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Southampton 2:1 Man Utd
- 1% Southampton 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Southampton 2:0 Man Utd
- 1% Southampton 0:1 Man Utd
- 1% Southampton 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Southampton 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Southampton 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Southampton 1:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Southampton
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 36% 64%
- Shots
- 8 15
- Shots on Target
- 3 4
- Corners
- 7 7
- Fouls
- 12 10
Referee
Craig Pawson
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Scott McTominay
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replaced by Jesse Lingard
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replaced by Jadon Sancho
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