Fernandes Vs De Bruyne

Raees · Aug 23, 2021

Only United fans would think that Bruno is better than KDB at this moment in time. Latter is more proven at a higher level.

MattofManchester · Aug 23, 2021

Imagine Bruno had the movement and quality around him that KdB has.....

Renegade · Aug 23, 2021

Like he does for Portugal?

RedDevilzFox · Aug 23, 2021

Its a hard choice. I think overall Bruno adds more to the teams play than KDB.

RedDevilzFox · Aug 23, 2021

Raees said:
Only United fans would think that Bruno is better than KDB at this moment in time. Latter is more proven at a higher level.

How exactly is he more proven? Other than winning the PL, there isn't a whole lot to write home about.

Raees · Aug 23, 2021

RedDevilzFox said:
How exactly is he more proven? Other than winning the PL, there isn't a whole lot to write home about.

He's had some memorable world cup performances and euro's. He isn't in the league of a Zidane etc but he's certainly got a lot more to write about than Bruno who literally has shown zero pedigree at that level to date. This is a debate that could be had in 3-4 years time but certainly not now.

The only thing you could say about Bruno is that he may even during the course of this season be seen as the better EPL performer in the here and now, but that is because KDB is worn and torn.. but overall careers thus far - no contest.

Hammondo · Aug 23, 2021

Clearly De Bruyne.

RedDevilzFox · Aug 23, 2021

Raees said:
He's had some memorable world cup performances and euro's. He isn't in the league of a Zidane etc but he's certainly got a lot more to write about than Bruno who literally has shown zero pedigree at that level to date. This is a debate that could be had in 3-4 years time but certainly not now.

The only thing you could say about Bruno is that he may even during the course of this season be seen as the better EPL performer in the here and now, but that is because KDB is worn and torn.. but overall careers thus far - no contest.

Yeah okay, I'd buy that. KDB overall has had more memorably performance but the net result is not that much different in terms of trophies. Obviously he is a PL winner but Bruno just got here.

amolbhatia50k · Aug 23, 2021

RedDevilzFox said:
Yeah okay, I'd buy that. KDB overall has had more memorably performance but the net result is not that much different in terms of trophies. Obviously he is a PL winner but Bruno just got here.

3 PL (and most likely, countng) trophies is a huge difference.

RedDevilzFox · Aug 23, 2021

amolbhatia50k said:
3 PL (and most likely, countng) trophies is a huge difference.

Agreed - but Pep is more responsible for that than anyone else really. Comparing that to Bruno and Ole is just unfair even ignoring the fact Bruno just got here. I have nothing against Ole and I think he is a decent man manager but there is a bigger gulf in class between Ole and Pep than Bruno and KDB.

cyberman · Aug 23, 2021

Raees said:
He's had some memorable world cup performances and euro's. He isn't in the league of a Zidane etc but he's certainly got a lot more to write about than Bruno who literally has shown zero pedigree at that level to date. This is a debate that could be had in 3-4 years time but certainly not now.

The only thing you could say about Bruno is that he may even during the course of this season be seen as the better EPL performer in the here and now, but that is because KDB is worn and torn.. but overall careers thus far - no contest.

Not being funny but what World Cup and Euros games did KDB stand out in?

Raees · Aug 23, 2021

cyberman said:
Not being funny but what World Cup and Euros games did KDB stand out in?

I do not rate De Bruyne amongst the greatest CAM's so his CV is not that impressive, but the point is that he has more of a cv compared to Bruno who is not even a proper starter for his national side and has barely featured in the UCL. So it is ridiculous to say he is on the same level as KDB in terms of overall career as of yet. Maybe in the future that discussion could be had but only on this forum is there a genuine belief that these two are on the same level based on their careers to date.

2014 World Cup
In the round of 16, De Bruyne scored Belgium's opening goal in the third minute of extra time as they defeated the United States 2–1.

2015/16 UCL

He scored the opening goal in a 2–2 draw with Paris Saint-Germain in the UEFA Champions League quarter-final first-leg at the Parc des Princes. On 12 April, De Bruyne scored the winning goal against Paris Saint-Germain, advancing Manchester City to the Champions League semi-finals, for the first time in the club's history, on an aggregate score of 3–2.

Euro 2016
De Bruyne was voted BBC Man of the Match for his performance in a 4–0 win over Hungary in the round of 16, where he provided two assists.

World Cup 2018
Scored the second goal of the match in a 2–1 quarter-final victory over Brazil and was named the man of the match.

UCL 2020/21

In 28 April, he scored a goal in a 2–1 away win over Paris Saint-Germain in the Champions League semi-finals.

So we have a standout performance against Brazil and performances v PSG at the latter end of UCL. Is that a mouthwatering CV, no - he too can have a flat track bully argument thrown at him at times but its not the worst record - would be keen to see what you can produce for Bruno?

cyberman · Aug 23, 2021

Raees said:
I do not rate De Bruyne amongst the greatest CAM's so his CV is not that impressive, but the point is that he has more of a cv compared to Bruno who is not even a proper starter for his national side and has barely featured in the UCL. So it is ridiculous to say he is on the same level as KDB in terms of overall career as of yet. Maybe in the future that discussion could be had but only on this forum is there a genuine belief that these two are on the same level based on their careers to date.

2014 World Cup
In the round of 16, De Bruyne scored Belgium's opening goal in the third minute of extra time as they defeated the United States 2–1.

2015/16 UCL

He scored the opening goal in a 2–2 draw with Paris Saint-Germain in the UEFA Champions League quarter-final first-leg at the Parc des Princes. On 12 April, De Bruyne scored the winning goal against Paris Saint-Germain, advancing Manchester City to the Champions League semi-finals, for the first time in the club's history, on an aggregate score of 3–2.

Euro 2016
De Bruyne was voted BBC Man of the Match for his performance in a 4–0 win over Hungary in the round of 16, where he provided two assists.

World Cup 2018
Scored the second goal of the match in a 2–1 quarter-final victory over Brazil and was named the man of the match.

UCL 2020/21

In 28 April, he scored a goal in a 2–1 away win over Paris Saint-Germain in the Champions League semi-finals.

So we have a standout performance against Brazil and performances v PSG at the latter end of UCL. Is that a mouthwatering CV, no - he too can have a flat track bully argument thrown at him at times but its not the worst record - would be keen to see what you can produce for Bruno?

I dont think Bruno has any international accomplishments but KDBs is so negligible that it shouldn’t really be a factor. It’s all much of a muchness. It seems to boil down to at least KDB plays but KDB hasn’t the problem of having a manager who doesn’t know how to play he and Bernardo Silva together in the same team.

lost7 · Aug 23, 2021

I highly rate De Bruyne, but Bruno is up there with him. Anyone who says that they're not close (in either direction) has got to be biased, because the numbers that Bruno has been putting in since his arrival are nothing short of exceptional.

Yes, his performances may not be as consistent as KdB's, but at the end of the day Bruno is up there with the best in Europe when it comes to goal involvements in the last 18 months and that has got to mean something

NasirTimothy · Aug 23, 2021

VorZakone said:
Since arriving to the PL I think Bruno has comfortably been the better player. I actually still believe KdB's best season was 2014/15 when he had 30 goals+assists for Wolfsburg and took them to 2nd place.

I think you’re mistaken. Such a season cannot possibly have happened because this thread is full of people confidently saying that DeBruyne is of no use unless he’s playing in a team full of world class players……

PS: On a serious note, I think you’re wrong about Bruno being better since he arrived. Seeing as KDB has won player of the year in that time.

Raees · Aug 23, 2021

cyberman said:
I dont think Bruno has any international accomplishments but KDBs is so negligible that it shouldn’t really be a factor. It’s all much of a muchness. It seems to boil down to at least KDB plays but KDB hasn’t the problem of having a manager who doesn’t know how to play he and Bernardo Silva together in the same team.

You’re not worth arguing with because the red tinted spectacles are blinding you to the point you can’t put together a rational argument.

VorZakone · Aug 23, 2021

NasirTimothy said:
I think you’re mistaken. Such a season cannot possibly have happened because this thread is full of people confidently saying that DeBruyne is of no use unless he’s playing in a team full of world class players……

PS: On a serious note, I think you’re wrong about Bruno being better since he arrived. Seeing as KDB has won player of the year in that time.

Personally I don't really take that award seriously. De Bruyne's best season at City was probably 2017/18 when they got 100 points but Bruno wasn't at Utd yet back then.

Jackal981 · Aug 23, 2021

Is this the new messi vs ronaldo ??? Both are great players with different skillset.

NasirTimothy · Aug 24, 2021

VorZakone said:
Personally I don't really take that award seriously. De Bruyne's best season at City was probably 2017/18 when they got 100 points but Bruno wasn't at Utd yet back then.

KDB was better back then yes, I think the injuries have slowed him down. But it can’t be said that Bruno has been clearly better than KDB since Bruno came to England as KDB has been player of the year in that time.

Eddy_JukeZ · Aug 24, 2021

NasirTimothy said:
KDB was better back then yes, I think the injuries have slowed him down. But it can’t be said that Bruno has been clearly better than KDB since Bruno came to England as KDB has been player of the year in that time.

He wasn't even City's best player last season, so I wouldn't use that award to validate him being better.

Eddy_JukeZ · Aug 24, 2021

Raees said:
Only United fans would think that Bruno is better than KDB at this moment in time. Latter is more proven at a higher level.

KDB has had the better career, but I certainly think you can make an argument for Bruno at this particular moment.

Career-wise, it's not an argument, but if we're talking about the here and now, I think Bruno has been better than KDB since he's come into the Prem personally. Either way, it's fairly close IMO.

And I think KDB has declined from his fantastic 2017-2018 season.

NasirTimothy · Aug 24, 2021

Eddy_JukeZ said:
He wasn't even City's best player last season, so I wouldn't use that award to validate him being better.

Ok. I think him being a better footballer is what validates him as being better, not awards. The awards is just the icing. Bruno gets more goals but that’s it.

Eddy_JukeZ · Aug 24, 2021

NasirTimothy said:
Ok. I think him being a better footballer is what validates him as being better, not awards. The awards is just the icing. Bruno gets more goals but that’s it.

Sure, that's fine. Initially it felt like you were using the award as a clear validation of him being better since Bruno's arrival.

wise_old_man · Aug 24, 2021

De Bruyne is often unavailable due to injuries. But everytime he gets on the field, he is class.
Bruno is more consistent fitness-wise. But his performance on the field can fluctuate, from really good (Against Leeds) to really bad (Against Southampton).

So it's just everyone's own cup of tea.

Raees · Aug 24, 2021

Eddy_JukeZ said:
KDB has had the better career, but I certainly think you can make an argument for Bruno at this particular moment.

Career-wise, it's not an argument, but if we're talking about the here and now, I think Bruno has been better than KDB since he's come into the Prem personally. Either way, it's fairly close IMO.

And I think KDB has declined from his fantastic 2017-2018 season.

That is a more fairer opinion and has validity to it. I still think KDB edges it during this time period if we talk outside just EPL performances but if just limited to EPL, then yes Bruno has been better.

amolbhatia50k · Aug 24, 2021

To be honest, I do think KDB is the better player. After Silva, he's been in the PL's best creative/attacking midfielder and has reached the level where he'd improve any team on the planet. His passing, technique and football brain are all top class, and at his best he influences games enough to put him above Bruno - who is an excellent footballer who shines at impact scorelines, but his general game is nothing great. I do think he's slightly overhyped by some who seem to think he's genuinely best player in the world material which he's never been. In fact, I'd consider him a little below the very best midfielders of the PL era.

So all in all, KDB is better than Bruno. Having said that Bruno has out performed him in the PL since he arrived (KDB has not been all that great in this time with the likes of Gundogan outshining him).

Red Dingo · May 12, 2022

My god. This was actually a discussion six months ago?

FrankWhite · May 12, 2022

I'm not at all a fan of Bruno and his hail Mary ball but let's revisit this in a year's time with united in a better, more settled system. Bruno will either get sold or he'll absolutely thrive. No in between.

Drizzle · May 12, 2022

Red Dingo said:
My god. This was actually a discussion six months ago?

Yep, file alongside the AWB v TAA comparisons that were a thing a couple of years ago. Our fanbase is so desperate and downtrodden these days that we're willing to hype up anything.

I don't care too much about stats - any genuine football observer will know the KDB is several levels above Bruno as a footballer. I do think there's a chance that ETH can bring the best out of him though - he's a good player with some potential to improve still in the right system. But he was never world class or even close to be honest.

choccy77 · May 12, 2022

I'd take KDB over The entire United Midfield anyday

SilentWitness · May 12, 2022

I don't think that it would be wrong to say that Fernandes was better than KDB in the first 6-12 months? of his tenure at United but KDB is far more consistent and his top level is Ballon d'Or heights, something that Fernandes will likely never reach.

kthanksbye · May 12, 2022

The guy's passing range and variety is ridiculous, is there any part of either of his feet he cannot play an inch perfect ball with?
Bruno obviously is a LOT better than he has shown off late, but even in a functional team, KdB is on another level.

flappyjay · May 12, 2022

We are always at the bad end of these threads.

Eddy_JukeZ · May 12, 2022

To be fair, Bruno was very good for a while and KDB had dipped in form.

You could make the argument then that Bruno was performing better in the Premier League than De Bruyne had since Bruno's arrival until this season.

Obviously, that argument can't be made now and De Bruyne has always been the better player.

FootyGirl88 · May 12, 2022

FrankWhite said:
I'm not at all a fan of Bruno and his hail Mary ball but let's revisit this in a year's time with united in a better, more settled system. Bruno will either get sold or he'll absolutely thrive. No in between.

But even on a good day Bruno is nowhere near as KDB

GlasgowCeltic · May 12, 2022

Whack out the Rashford vs Mane threads too

Buster15 · May 12, 2022

FootyGirl88 said:
But even on a good day Bruno is nowhere near as KDB

Correct. Nowhere even remotely near.

Sunny Jim · May 12, 2022

Buster15 said:
Correct. Nowhere even remotely near.

I agree

Real Madras · May 12, 2022

Wait wait wait. Bruno is a world class footballer.
KDB is a better player and better all round but Bruno is a fantastic footballer and his numbers suggest so. If he can get back to his best next season and stay consistent with Ten Hag then his ceiling is just as high.

mctrials23 · May 12, 2022

Its not even close and never has been. I love Bruno but KdB is in another class. Hes playing in a better team but he is also a cog in a machine rather than the linchpin so its hard to compare pure stats. I know who I would take every day of the week at United though and its not Bruno.

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