Also for England, no?Wondered if Monaco would be interested in Donny. Using him in part exchange would solve a problem as it doesn’t look like he’ll ever fit in for you. Tchouameni looks better on the ball than Rice is and I don’t get the idea that Rice is “proven in the Premier League”. He’s proven at West Ham’s level. He’d be okay for United but his limitations would frustrate.
How is he supposed to make space for other players playing in a deeper role with the issues I've already explained? I've explained to you in my previous post that pass options are created by the movement of other players which then creates passing options and connects the midfield, fullbacks, wide forwards (triangles) which in turn unhinges the opposition defensive structure, which creates space. But there was none of that and to expect a midfielder to control a game in such conditions is unrealistic.He's supposed to make space for the other players. He had multiple other easy passes and often did a pass further away to a player without space who then got closed down. He has shown time and time again he doesn't know how to play that role.
Fred is not the good for nothing player, he is being portrayed as. Play him in a midfield , with a good DM and he will shine. Note that him and mctom were being hailed as a good partnership, not so long ago. Its not his fault that he was left to fend alone in the midfield against a much more physically strong side.Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I would give Jesse and Fred, maybe some money too, for Rice. Would set us in midfield, and give them attacking option and also a midfielder so close to the end of the window.
The other option would be a loan deal for Gueye. Not like he's starting at PSG.
I think way above their weight is a little bit hyperbolic. Bilic had them upper mid table as well.Also for England, no?
And his time at West Han has them punching way above their weight.
Gueye started yesterday and played a brilliant pass in the build up to Mbappe's first goal.Maybe it's an unpopular opinion but I would give Jesse and Fred, maybe some money too, for Rice. Would set us in midfield, and give them attacking option and also a midfielder so close to the end of the window.
The other option would be a loan deal for Gueye. Not like he's starting at PSG.
But he's not the usual starter is he?Gueye started yesterday and played a brilliant pass in the build up to Mbappe's first goal.
Lampard wanted him.Doesn't he openly support Chelsea, best friends with Mount and wants to go there. Surely if Cheslea want him (which has been reported)he is not going to choose us.
Hopefully this isn't our midfield Haaland. Because I don't see either joining us to be honest.
The Chelsea correspondents have reported that he would join Chelsea above all else if they made a move. Mount is also his best mate, according to what's been reported.Doesn't he openly support Chelsea, best friends with Mount and wants to go there. Surely if Cheslea want him (which has been reported)he is not going to choose us.
Hopefully this isn't our midfield Haaland. Because I don't see either joining us to be honest.
If we had Jorginho and Kante in our squad, I wouldn’t give Rice a second thought.Lampard wanted him.
I don't think Tuchel thinks he is worth what he would cost.
Marco now there is a top drawer CM but that one is definitely a pipe dreamIf we had Jorginho and Kante in our squad, I wouldn’t give Rice a second thought.
Surely any CM signing right now would have to be someone exceptional. Like Verratti (sp)
Yeah I think he will go there as well especially with the family connection and Mount of courseThe Chelsea correspondents have reported that he would join Chelsea above all else if they made a move. Mount is also his best mate, according to what's been reported.
They're quite slow at getting deals done, (Kounde) unlike us (Ronaldo) so I wouldn't putting past them messing things up.Yeah I think he will go there as well especially with the family connection and Mount of course
Cant disagree with Rio. I have a theory why VdB was bought. He was meant to be paired with Matic-type CM in most of the games. the latest instance of their partnership was friendly against Everton. He is patiently waiting for the partner. Rice is ideal for him. Also, Rice can be paired with Pogba as an option.The discipline of Rice for me places him as the best defensive midfielder available under Solskjaer's management.
Rio made a very good point about why Fred isn't great in the midfield he (Fred) runs around loads because he doesn't read the game effectively. Fred is not a midfield 'obstacle' whereas the likes of Rice, Busquets and Fernandinho position themselves to cover spaces where they don't have to run tirelessly. Rice also displayed this during the euro's was easily England's best midfielder.
It's not the on ball quality of Rice that is most important it's his positioning in the system. It's instinctive you cannot teach a player to read the game, it's their own intelligence and intuition.
They go for unestablished players which we haven't done much except the likes of Amad and Pellestri.What we need to do is hack into Leicester’s scouting network and sign their top two next midfield targets. They consistently get it right. Forget Rice.
He's from London, he wouldn't have to move far or at all, was originally in their academy and one of his best friends is in the team. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have an interest or want to play for us, but Chelsea obviously has a hell of a starting pitch.The Chelsea correspondents have reported that he would join Chelsea above all else if they made a move. Mount is also his best mate, according to what's been reported.
Martial and James were similar purchases.They go for unestablished players which we haven't done much except the likes of Amad and Pellestri.
Never we went for such kind of players in midfield.Martial and James were similar purchases.
Yeah if he's earning 60k per week, no way they should value him at 100M. He should be asking for 200-250k minimum. 400k is a bit much considering his position and that only 1 player in the PL gets that much(Ronaldo).I think Rice would suit us just fine.
If West Ham want to value him at £100,000,000 then he can justifiably and immediately demand a £400,000 weekly pay check to match the price tag and salary of similarly priced players. That should focus West Ham's attention and cause a few sweaty brows in their boardroom. Ah well, maybe January...
This is why I'm interested in him.The discipline of Rice for me places him as the best defensive midfielder available under Solskjaer's management.
Rio made a very good point about why Fred isn't great in the midfield he (Fred) runs around loads because he doesn't read the game effectively. Fred is not a midfield 'obstacle' whereas the likes of Rice, Busquets and Fernandinho position themselves to cover spaces where they don't have to run tirelessly. Rice also displayed this during the euro's was easily England's best midfielder.
It's not the on ball quality of Rice that is most important it's his positioning in the system. It's instinctive you cannot teach a player to read the game, it's their own intelligence and intuition.
Of course they do. Problem is money doesn't grow on a tree. Imo we had a very good window already.Solskjaer and senior staff (including Carrick and Fletcher!) will know that CM needs sorting.
I can only imagine the reason it hasn’t been is because the CM they’ve identified wasn’t available this summer. Rice just seems to fit into this squad they’re building IMO. I can see us going for him in 2022
Absolutely. As well as Maguire and our back line played at the Euros, a big reason for that was the work Rice was doing in front of them.I think in the Euros - I hardly saw an attack occur against the English central defence.
I'm pretty sure they would have done plenty to get a deal done. I really doubt the whole world can see our deficiencies and our coaching staff can't.We should have moved at the start of this window with Lingard plus 40m offer
Ronaldo coming was great for sentimentality, I doubt he will increase our goal output by much because I think he will just take goal scoring chances and time away from other forwards but I am still happy with him because along with Ramos there is no better clutch player in world football.Absolutely. As well as Maguire and our back line played at the Euros, a big reason for that was the work Rice was doing in front of them.
Rice would make an enormous difference to us even though it’s very unlikely to happen. It’s hard not to be happy about Ronaldo coming back but it’s even harder for me to accept we’ve not addressed our MF problems too.
West ham would probably feel more comfortable selling him to us than Chelsea.He's from London, he wouldn't have to move far or at all, was originally in their academy and one of his best friends is in the team. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have an interest or want to play for us, but Chelsea obviously has a hell of a starting pitch.
Without wanting to sound negative, and much as I’m sure Ronaldo will score goals, the service he will get here will be tough unless we improve massively.Ronaldo coming was great for sentimentality, I doubt he will increase our goal output by much because I think he will just take goal scoring chances and time away from other forwards but I am still happy with him because along with Ramos there is no better clutch player in world football.
But you have to have a great team behind in order to get to those clutch moments and we won't be getting there with that midfield behind him. Rice would fit the culture that Ole wants to instill but I don't think he is a player that's so good that we designate his as either him or no one. A couple young players in the French league like Tochouameni will have a similar impact on our team, maybe not as good but certainly enough to provide our forwards the platform to perform.
Waiting a year for him when it's so clear that this midfield we have will hurt us is beyond idotic for me because we are sacrificing one season of competitiveness for one player. Its not a given that if we do get him next year we will be as good as City or Chelsea because it appears that Pogba will feck off if we endure another season of toil so we will need to major signings, which the board won't allow, to reach the potential we could have had if had been decisive with this position this summer.
The management has basically written off a whole season because they lack the strategic flexibility to move on from an unattainable target to a more realistic one.
Yeah he's not the ideal DM by any means, but he might well be what the team needs at the moment. We have so much firepower upfront, and creativity in Pogba and Bruno, we don't necessarily need a DM who can dominate possession or cut defences open.The discipline of Rice for me places him as the best defensive midfielder available under Solskjaer's management.
Rio made a very good point about why Fred isn't great in the midfield he (Fred) runs around loads because he doesn't read the game effectively. Fred is not a midfield 'obstacle' whereas the likes of Rice, Busquets and Fernandinho position themselves to cover spaces where they don't have to run tirelessly. Rice also displayed this during the euro's was easily England's best midfielder.
It's not the on ball quality of Rice that is most important it's his positioning in the system. It's instinctive you cannot teach a player to read the game, it's their own intelligence and intuition.
Totally fair. Look how few chances we gave Cavani on Sunday. It took a moment of individual brilliance with a bit of luck for Greenwood's goal.Without wanting to sound negative, and much as I’m sure Ronaldo will score goals, the service he will get here will be tough unless we improve massively.
All the firepower is useless if we cant get the ball to them. We often have this problem. Teams often sit off Fred and McT knowing they are toothless with the ball. And press Matic and Pogba heavily knowing they struggle with high press.We have so much firepower upfront, and creativity in Pogba and Bruno, we don't necessarily need a DM who can dominate possession
If Ole doesn't come up with a solution to the midfield then we are done for the season, Ronaldo or no Ronaldo. Southampton and Wolves have basically proved that our midfield crumbles under any form of pressure - imagine what a Chelsea, a Liverpool or even City can do. Then there is the likes of Everton and Spurs with the playing resources to punish the sloppiness we have displayed so far.Without wanting to sound negative, and much as I’m sure Ronaldo will score goals, the service he will get here will be tough unless we improve massively.
