Because we gave them time and money to build that squad and they didn't meet up to expectation
Criticism is fine (and encouraged) but there are some criticisms thrown at Ole that don't make any sense
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Have we? When?
Maybe check player performance thread and not a thread on Ole
And Ole hasn't? Prior to this season he's spent record amounts and has literally nothing to show for it. It's clear there's some level of nepotism going into supporting Ole from both the fanbase and the club.
LVG and Jose spent hundreds of millions and as their tenure went on the results got worse. Ole spent hundreds of millions and as his tenure has gone on the results have got better. It’s really not hard to fathom.
Because Ole has spent better and been wiser in the market.
He's shown progress. 6th to 3rd to 2nd. This was Mourinho too until he fell out with everybody and we were 6th by Christmas away from a title challenge after millions spent. If this is Ole in December then I'll call for his sacking
Whether you are for or against Ole, is it fair to say that he has to win a trophy this season?.
I mean i have said this before but this is by FAR the best Utd squad post SAF, and a squad 'on paper' that should be challenging on all fronts.
I really dont want this fantastic squad wasted for the next few years because it wont be together for that long.
I mean i have said this before but this is by FAR the best Utd squad post SAF, and a squad 'on paper' that should be challenging on all fronts.
I really dont want this fantastic squad wasted for the next few years because it wont be together for that long.
How do I blast Ole at every opportunity? You act like it’s blind hate. I’ve given him plenty of credit as a squad builder. As a coach he’s limited & will hold the team back from achieving its potential. What is unfair about that view? It’s perfectly rational.
The best thing I can say about Ole is that he at least seems to be learning. Against VR he did absolutely nothing to affect the outcome. Against Young Boys he did. He just made all the wrong decisions. Which is a little worrying. And his blind loyalty to certain players is unfathomable at times.
Unless it's a cl trophy I honestly wouldn't accept a trophy win if we don't challenge for the title. Funny enough I think we've put so much importance on winning any trophy that I'm sure an Caraboa Cup win and a 4th position in the league would keep Ole
It was clear as day that the club was going nowhere under both LVG and Jose - everyone and their dog knew it at the time. Both managers failed to qualify for the CL twice in their 3-year stints, the football on display was atrocious, the squad was generally unhappy under them, and they repeatedly failed in the transfer market.
By comparison, Ole has qualified twice in 3 years, has us playing somewhat attractive football if a little inconsistent, the squad as a whole love playing under him, and he has brought well in the transfer market. But most importantly, the first team has steadily progressed from season to season. He also has a knack for drawing top quality players from across the globe to the club.
Ole may or may not be the man to lead us back to the top, but he's certainly performed better than anyone else post-SAF.
I wouldn't take much of what he said in a presser to judge his tactical ability.
My judgement has always come from the eye test and we are a disjointed reactive team.
We recycle possession poorly and often rely on moment of brilliance. This is the reason why our performance fluctuates with no consistency because when those brilliant moments dont come we are short of ideas.
In general, he is not tactically brilliant, so what's the point in having him around?( I ofcourse appreciate how he has build the team albeit with some glaring deficiencies. )
My judgement has always come from the eye test and we are a disjointed reactive team.
We recycle possession poorly and often rely on moment of brilliance. This is the reason why our performance fluctuates with no consistency because when those brilliant moments dont come we are short of ideas.
In general, he is not tactically brilliant, so what's the point in having him around?( I ofcourse appreciate how he has build the team albeit with some glaring deficiencies. )
Rational? Maybe.
But you are definitely negative and knee-jerk.
You might not be the worst “Anti Ole” or “Ole Out” but you seem to be on all of the threads about Ole and your post count complaining about our coaching is astronomical.
Again, I’m just trying to point out posters who think “glass half empty” and seem to not enjoy the game
No, I didn't say that. I've said multiple times that is in fact exactly what I myself expect from Ole this season, but here we are after our first loss of the season and the narrative is that Ole isn't good enough and is completely out of his depth in every single thread, I assumed you were agreeing with that tbf, apologies if not.
I checked the postmatch thread and various threads that doesnt even mention AWB or Lingard, its all managerblaming.
I've genuinely never witnessed a loss where a player who's red carded after 35 minutes and a player that gives the winning goal away receives barely a footnote mention in the relevant postgame threads.
So the negativity is really everywhereThe AWB thread in the mains certainly had a lot of mileage after his red. I think the general forum view on him is that he's a weak link now.
As for Lingard, nobody expects anything more from him at this point. The criticism is rightly on Ole there for a) putting him on the pitch in the first place in Ronaldo's lone striker role, where a player as limited as Lingard never had a hope in hell of getting hold of the ball getting us up the pitch and b) taking Fred off and dropping Lingard into a sitting midfield role with 3 minutes to go, so we could bring on Martial of all people for literally no fathomable reason.
To deal with the tirade of imbecilicism of the rabid Ole Outers, perhaps they need to put themselves in the position of the club hierarchy and explain who should do what now?
Who sacks Ole? What happens next? When will we become the perennial quadruple winners resulting from their erudite decision to sack him now? What bearing do the club owners’ priorities have on all of this.
Spell it out, gammons. We’re all looking forward to seeing your detailed plan
Who sacks Ole? What happens next? When will we become the perennial quadruple winners resulting from their erudite decision to sack him now? What bearing do the club owners’ priorities have on all of this.
Spell it out, gammons. We’re all looking forward to seeing your detailed plan
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This season is the one that needs to put a marker down, its 5 games in 3 wins 1 draw 1 loss. Theres a load of games left to play, let's see how it goes by the xmas period, we will know a lot by then how this team has geld. To have a hissy fit after a total cock up in CL, is premature. He could well get the sack, but theres enough pressure on him, without the jealous pundits ex pros, mediocre cricketer radio show host all getting there cheap shots in early.
All who follow chelsea or the bindippers.
All who follow chelsea or the bindippers.
I enjoy the game when we play well. I
Enjoyed the shit out of the second half on Saturday. I enjoyed Leeds. I was furious for the majority of the wolves game but was happy to take the points. It’s not glass half full or empty, it’s looking at the evidence & having an opinion. I don’t think Ole is capable of winning anything. I hope I’m wrong.
Yeah it seemingly is impossible for us to find a manager on par with Tuchel in the eyes of Ole's biggest supporters, like you say if Chelsea had taken our weak approach to things then they definitely wouldn't be European Champions and probably not current favourites for the league either
Think even the yankee leeches wouldn't accept him finishing that low
Does this sound like a manager capable of taking us to the next level? This is very worrying because we've seen it before. Ole has a squad capable of challenging, so its time to put up or leave.
Yeah and you only need to look at just how little we are creating in games for evidence of no definitive style of play, strikers like Ronny, Edi and even to an extent Mason thrive on finishing chances but it's clear as day they aren't being given enough service in games.
Chelsea’s so called strong approach was to fire a manager when his side was languishing in ninth in January, after he had been massively backed in the summer and after there was discontent in the dressing room. They didn’t sack a manager who was in the top 4 but did not pass the ‘eye test’. If we find ourselves in the same situation come December, I am sure the board will take a decisive step. Till then, no one in their right minds is sacking a manager whose side are top of the table just because he lost a champions league game playing 10vs11.
Something which exactly nobody has said.
And built a team which is very likeable!
I can honestly say that I want Marcus, Mason, Scott, AWB, Shaw, Pogba and Bruno to perform at elite level and win lots of things at United. The teams under LVG and Jose just did not have the same level of engagement.
They were dire to watch, and looked like they didn't care either.
Are you living under a rock? Read the last few pages of this thread! Criticism of his capability has hit peak levels, when the team is actually performing well.
This team has always had a 2 steps forward, 1 step back issue. What will be interesting to see is how they respond against West Ham. It is an important game which we must win. West Ham will not be easy pickings for any of the top sides, and we will have to be at our best. Any soft hangover from the defeat will just destroy all the positive momentum Ole has built.
It's important to see if this team goes on a winning streak of 8-10 games in the league. If they can, this Young Boys loss will be forgotten very soon
That is the underlying sentiment on the forum over the past few days. Everyone is clamouring for an upgrade as if Ole has already failed. All this ‘where would Chelsea be if they didn’t sack Lampard’ nonsense is trying to rewrite history to show Chelsea’s actions as if they did it with a lot of foresight. The truth is they had no other option and the writing was on the wall. If Ole fails, I am sure majority would want him out of the door.
Perhaps, the definitive style of play you are looking for is not what Ole is aiming to achieve. His entire management approach is to create opportunities for the individuals to showcase their brilliance. That requires tactical management as well. He has found a system to maximize the potential of his players. His definitive style of play is direct, mid to low block, and inter-changing forwards with lots of movement.
You only need to see how we used to play under Jose to see the stylistic difference. The real question is whether that approach can win you titles in the context of the current footballing landscape. There is a reason why Pep, Klopp and Tuchel have all mentioned United as title rivals (even before Ronaldo was signed). If he had no coaching style, none of them would have bothered (similar to what's happening with Arteta).
Very reasonable reply and I agree with you. I guess I’m just more willing to give Ole more time and support.
We have tried Moyes (proven in Premier League), Van Gaal (proven on international stage and different leagues) and Jose (proven in almost every way) and they all failed imo.
I agree Ole has faults (his coaching staff, for one), but Solskjær has brought so many positives that I’m much more willing to give him time.
A case of cross wires then, no worries. My stance on Ole has been clear for a while, he was given a 3yr deal when he became permanent manager and by the end of that 3yrs I expected us to have some form of silverware and be genuine title challengers. He’s now currently in that final year and has finally got a squad capable of seriously challenging, he’s done a very good job of rebuilding it as well I may add and we’ve seen slow but steady progress in that time but nows the time to deliver. I know we’re still short of a DM and that could prove to be the difference between challenging for the league and CL and actually winning it but the teams certainly capable of putting in a sustained challenge and picking up an FA or league cup. Hence my comment of it being a make or break season for Ole imo.
Yeah I actually totally agree on that, including the DM issue. I think DM will cause us problems but we should still be expected to mix it up at the top and have a decent race with the others at the minimum.
I’m hoping for more, silverware of some kind. I’m really concerned with midfield though because we have looked dangerously open, the return of McFred (whilst not exactly exhilarating) will at least make us more solid and hopefully will be enough to challenge for things.
How are you feeling these days with all the criticism @Wumminator ?
That C. Ronaldo's been stinking up the place since 2003, get rid.