Vidic, Terry, Rio, Stam, Van Dijk

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Rio is level above others. Like Messi in general.
Then Vidic and Stam.
Then Terry and Adams
And then Van Dijk.

Liverpool fans say that Alisson is best gk ever so their opinion is irelevant
 

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I thought Carvalho was better than Terry at his peak the dirty cnut. But he wasn’t around long enough to really be in the top tier discussion. Gallas isn’t in the same league as those two or Rio or Vidic.

Rio the best of the lot for me.
The Terry and Gallas partnership was underrated for me, in one of our back to back title seasons I think they conceded once in 21 games together (can't be arsed to check for sure but I've heard it a few times).
 

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Defensively Vidic, Terry and Stam are a class apart.

As overall footballers, Rio is the best.

VVD would probably be 5th behind those 4, ahead of Adams and Kompany.
 

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United:
Vidic
Ferdinand
Stam

Arsenal:
Adams
Campbell

Chelsea:
Terry
Carvalho
Desailly

City:
Kompany
Diaz

Liverpool:
van Dijk
Hyypia
Carragher

Probably Adams or Vidic.
Would agree with these as good as Vidic was, I think people are over hyping him amongst the best, he was the perfect foil for Ferdinand, he was a warrior and a very godo defender but a partner rather than one of the best for me.

I would certainly put Campbell and Carvalho over Vidic amongst the original names mentioned and Adams in his latter years (took him a fair while to shake off DOnkey Adams tag, especially for England). Vidic falls in with the Desaillys, Kompanys, Hyypias just behind for me. And soundign biased, the perfect partnership for me would be Stam and Ferdinand. Saying that Stam wasnt around long enough really to get that tag and for the same reason its still too early to label VVD with the label. He was decent at SOuthampton and has been excellent at Liverpool, just look how they faltered without him and how well they are doing again now he is back, in 2/3years he may well be amongst the top few, not yet though
 

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People really sleep on Carvalho and Gallas (probably due to his Arsenal spell) in these discussions, imo.
True. Terry and Carvalho as a pair were insane. I remember whenever we played you lot between 2005 and 2007 ish, it felt like we’d do well to even score.
 

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The Terry and Gallas partnership was underrated for me, in one of our back to back title seasons I think they conceded once in 21 games together (can't be arsed to check for sure but I've heard it a few times).
But as you referenced he wasn’t the same player at Arsenal. Adams, VVD, Kompany and Stam all clearly better for me. I think Campbell was better for Arsenal as well.
 

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I threw clearly in there for effect. I think it's much more reasonable to say there's a top tier of CB's in the history of this league and a select few CB's are in that tier.
What's the point in being an oppo fan if you can't spend it winding people up.
 

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I think Ferdinand is number one. Vidic was outstanding but my Liverpool bias puts Van Dijk ahead of him.

Vidic had Ferdinand next to him constantly whereas Van Dijk played with different CB partners (Gomez, Matip and Lovren) but still maintained his high level. Would’ve been interesting to see Vidic play half a season next to Wes Brown to see how he got on.

What’s the consensus on Stam? Where does he rank in the view of United fans vs Ferdinand and Vidic? I never watched a lot of football back then.
 

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Terry and Gallas was a fantastic defence partnership. Then in front of that was an Essien and Makélélé pivot... really felt like we'd have to be inch perfect to score against them.

 

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I think if you put van dijk back in that era of Rio, Vidic and Terry he would have been right up there. Purely because of how the modern centre back is expected to play. More how a lot of players are just fitter and more technical, maybe a lot of them in a vacuum would have struggled with the physicality, but as Neville says a lot, the standard of players is just far beyond what they were like.
 

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Terry and Gallas was a fantastic defence partnership. Then in front of that was an Essien and Makélélé pivot... really felt like we'd have to be inch perfect to score against them.

Those 4 only overlapped by one season in 05/06 and we played almost exclusively 4-3-3 that year - Makelele behind Lampard and Essien. That was inarguably the most valuable part of Makelele's game - he could be trusted to lock down a midfield and snuff out any transition opportunities by himself whilst also being tidy enough to move the ball quickly as needed.
 

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Van Dijk isn't competent enough to lace vidic's boots. The high press from the entire dipper team shields him, put him in the utd team right now behind pogba and we'll see how good a defender he is.
 

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Ability wise Van Dijk is as good as any of them, but you’d want to see him do it for a few more seasons before crowning him the best. Vidic did it at a really high level for 5-6 seasons.
 

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But as you referenced he wasn’t the same player at Arsenal.
Yes but would you use the Moyes era and his QPR spell against Rio?

That said I'm not saying Gallas is the best one, just that I think he deserves more a mention when it comes to listing top 10/20's and that.
 

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I think Ferdinand is number one. Vidic was outstanding but my Liverpool bias puts Van Dijk ahead of him.

Vidic had Ferdinand next to him constantly whereas Van Dijk played with different CB partners (Gomez, Matip and Lovren) but still maintained his high level. Would’ve been interesting to see Vidic play half a season next to Wes Brown to see how he got on.

What’s the consensus on Stam? Where does he rank in the view of United fans vs Ferdinand and Vidic? I never watched a lot of football back then.
You've got it the wrong way round. Rio showed his best when paired with Vidic, while Vidic was excellent when paired with anyone. Didn't matter if he played with Rio or a young Jonny Evans, Vidic was brilliant.

In our 14 game clean sheet run in 08/09 our back four changed quite a bit with the likes of O'Shea, Evans, Rafael playing a few games, I think Vidic was the only one present all through.
 

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Terry / Ferdinand trump this conversation with consistency. VVD is certainly world class but will need more years in the prem before he can be called the best.
 

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Yes but would you use the Moyes era and his QPR spell against Rio?

That said I'm not saying Gallas is the best one, just that I think he deserves more a mention when it comes to listing top 10/20's and that.
Rio was already past his prime at that point. Not a fair comparison at all.

Your second point is reasonable enough though.
 

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What's the point in being an oppo fan if you can't spend it winding people up.
I mean it's a very weak wind up but realistically, someone saying Terry is the number one isn't really a wind up if it *could* be true. It's hardly an insult to Rio to think Terry was better than him.
 

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I think Rio was the best, followed by Vidic. Stam was terrific, but longevity in the Premier League is not in his favour. In contrast to the majority, I have always considered Campbell to be better than Terry.
 

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Rio in 07/08 is the best season I’ve seen a CB have in my lifetime. 50 starts, 30 of which he kept clean sheets in, and 1 wherein he only conceded a (treble ending) goal while he was in net…

Champions of Europe and England, and we scored more than a hundred goals that season so we were hardly a cautious side.
 
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Between Terry and Rio and its really hard to pick between them. Rio had technical skills that were better than Terry, but Terry was a much better leader. Both incredible players. I'm glad we had Terry of the two, but I'm obviously going to be biased. I'd expect any United fan to say the opposite of course.
 

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Campbell needs more praise in here
 

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For Vidic I just can't see past Torres. Liverpool's number 9. Great defender but Torres ended him.
I think that’s a bit overstated. He gave Vidic a problem in the game at OT in 09 and then at Anfield the same year, but Ferdinand and Vidic pocketed Torres during both games during the 07/08 season.
 

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Vidic was phenomenal. VVD is good player also. I can't believe that Vidic is not at fault for a single penalty in PL? Wish I could say the same for Serbia as for Serbia he is at fault for few penalties and he also missed some key penalties :(

Pointless discussion. VVD can definitely surpass Vidic but Liverpool needs to win couple more titles and VVD has to be in amazing form. Not gonna happen most likely.

P.S. Tried using "PL s" as plural for premier leagues and forum said: no no, too short haha (texting speech).
 

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You've got it the wrong way round. Rio showed his best when paired with Vidic, while Vidic was excellent when paired with anyone. Didn't matter if he played with Rio or a young Jonny Evans, Vidic was brilliant.

In our 14 game clean sheet run in 08/09 our back four changed quite a bit with the likes of O'Shea, Evans, Rafael playing a few games, I think Vidic was the only one present all through.
This.

I will always remember Vidic as a dominating force of defensive ability, regardless of who he played with or against. That's testament to his drive and actual in-game influence.

Vidic is akin to Keane and Rio is Scholes imo.
 

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For Vidic I just can't see past Torres. Liverpool's number 9. Great defender but Torres ended him.
Torres was arguably one of the best at that time. I cant see past Gnarby dribbled through VVD and scored a goal.
 

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I think Ferdinand is number one. Vidic was outstanding but my Liverpool bias puts Van Dijk ahead of him.

Vidic had Ferdinand next to him constantly whereas Van Dijk played with different CB partners (Gomez, Matip and Lovren) but still maintained his high level. Would’ve been interesting to see Vidic play half a season next to Wes Brown to see how he got on.

What’s the consensus on Stam? Where does he rank in the view of United fans vs Ferdinand and Vidic? I never watched a lot of football back then.
I think the majority of Utd fans would have Stam ahead of Vidic, but personally I felt Vidic was marginally better. Both were colossal though. As @El Jefe said, it tends to get overlooked that Vidic was so at ease without Rio beside him, despite that purported lack of pace seeming like a gap in his skillset.
 

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Why do people still bring up Vidic vs Torres as a reason to discount the former? I mean yes, Vidic had an absolute nightmare against him one time (he wasn't that great at Anfield that season either, but when this topic is brought up it's usually the 1-4 that's referred to), but by that same logic VVD can't be that great of a defender if he shipped 7 against Villa and let Ollie Watkins run rings around him.
 

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Not sure about best, that’s far too subjective for defenders. I do think he’s the most complete CB in terms of attributes I’ve ever seen. If he does it for another few years post injury and maybe add a few more titles he’ll rightly get plaudits
 

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The whole world can see( except united fans) that VVD has brought defending to a new level. No one, not a defender or a striker has been more influential or as had more of an impact than VVD has had on a team after being sold to LFC. To those who say rio,stam, vidic, or any other defenders were better are just living in the past. The consensus is VVD is the CB in the world for the last 3-4 yrs. None of those aforementioned CBs ever were that recognized as such. They were top class in their own right but to put him behind them is just bias at best and bitterness at worst. The fact is he came back from a major injury better than ever and that something you lot didn’t count on.
 

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Definitely Rio.
Terry’s legacy was forever tarnished by his off-field antics. He would otherwise be in a big shout for the number 1 CB spot.
Vidic a close third.

Van Dijk has to do it for another two years, at least, to be even considered among the top-five PL CBs.
 

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The whole world can see( except united fans) that VVD has brought defending to a new level. No one, not a defender or a striker has been more influential or as had more of an impact than VVD has had on a team after being sold to LFC. To those who say rio,stam, vidic, or any other defenders were better are just living in the past. The consensus is VVD is the CB in the world for the last 3-4 yrs. None of those aforementioned CBs ever were that recognized as such. They were top class in their own right but to put him behind them is just bias at best and bitterness at worst. The fact is he came back from a major injury better than ever and that something you lot didn’t count on.
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