Shots maybe but hardly proper, good chances
We are an awfully coached team
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
WH is tricky but we were again so slow and predictable
I guess West Ham could see our patterns of play.
Still, we should have scored 1 or 2 more goals, easily. And that's not even including the 1-2 penalties we were robbed of.
People just talk nonsense when it comes to us, they have a unrealistic view of football, where total domination and anything else is not good enough. Like a computer game, we better players means should be absolutely cruising matches, and it's just individual brilliance winning games, and Ole fault when we lose or drop points, not the individual mistakes causing us to concede, the team is basically just a rudderless ship just cruising the sea with no captain leading it. Miracle we are we are to be honest with Ole and the shite show coaching going on behind the scenes
It is laughable, but fair to say we are getting caught in the break quite often. Hopefully something we can sort, via personell or improvement
It's always going to be a thing to some extent though, you would have thought. It's pretty hard to ask a side to push right up which was part of the rationale for signing Varane, control the match high up the pitch without there being some sketchy moments.
Even Man City are their best, this is a way in which we have exploited them with our pace and power. Teams are going to use that against us, most sides have a danger, Newcastle had Saint Maximin and West Ham had 2 or 3.
We can control it better, react better, maybe the personnel in midfield is a little short but there's probably always going to be counters available to some extent, we just have to hope we create enough to justify it.
Yeah I agree with that.
We seemed to often give West Ham too much space especially at the edge of the box, and they did seem to break the lines a little easy at times.
We're definitely a Ferrari being driven like a horse and carriage. But we just have such a damn good team and so much individual talent in attack that this team might well take Ole and his coaches along for the PL title ride. Still feels like last season (individual moments, more dangerous on the break then when dominating possession etc) but when you look at the team you just can't imagine it failing in games like this.
We 100% have the best team and squad in the PL.
We 100% have the best team and squad in the PL.
The brilliant coach and tactician Lars Lagerback was in the Swedish studio. He said that United relies very much on individual brilliance. But what does he know?
We wouldn’t have a Ferrari without Ole and his coaches though. So really it’s Ole at the wheel.
I mean, that is the only way to make sense of the idea that ole is a PE teacher so, it has to be true
Probably about as much as big Sam. Should we get them to manage us instead?
With Bissaka and McFred you will go no where, it’s a mission impossible
4th place and europa league
4th place and europa league
You obviously didn't read the post that I was responding to. I was told nobody thinks Peps football is boring. Just me. Then I pointed out that it's not true. Then it's deflection time. A ad hominem attack on Felix. Why? Here's why that's done.
- The ad hominem attack is irrelevant to the discussion.
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No one has said that. But he should know what he's talking about, he has a UEFA B license
That's the bit they all miss, it's his management got us even in this Ferrari stage.
Let's shift on sure go again with someone else with new ideas, and gamble on the coaching being maybe superior but scrap the rest
Thought we were pretty good with that in first half. I was hoping 2nd half will continue the same. Did not.
Should have subbed players sooner.
Should have subbed players sooner.
"Brilliant"?
I think that's a stretch. A manager known more for managing plucky underdogs than the cut and thrust of club football with a juggernaut like United. Not really a fascinating insight to have.
He won the King’s Cup in 2001 and 2003; a tournament organised by the Thai FA. He must know quite a lot.
I honestly don't know what some people expect. We went away to West Ham, we dominated the game, we created numerous chances, we conceded a deflected goal, we still won the game. We had 61% possession and 10 shots on target, we should have had at least one penalty, we hit the post, Ronaldo missed a sitter.
At this point, it's just complete inability to admit they were wrong about Ole or its just a total lack of knowledge about football.
On the same note, Ole was criticised in the week for his substitutions, and perhaps rightly so. I was critical of them. My question is, are all those people who criticised his subs on Tuesday going to credit him now for bringing on the assister and the scorer of the winning goal?
At this point, it's just complete inability to admit they were wrong about Ole or its just a total lack of knowledge about football.
On the same note, Ole was criticised in the week for his substitutions, and perhaps rightly so. I was critical of them. My question is, are all those people who criticised his subs on Tuesday going to credit him now for bringing on the assister and the scorer of the winning goal?
That's peak knowledge right there
Folk want him to make his subs EARLIER.
Personnel isn't an issue. It can't be with the quality off the bench.
Our ball retention really is horrendous by elite team standards. I wish we had an "unforced errors" stat in football like we do in tennis to see if the stats match the eye test.
It's part of the reason we get hit on the counter so often. If we could reduce the amount of needless turnovers by 50%, even 30% it would make a big difference in the control we have over games. And it's not just 1 or 2 culprits giving the ball away as much as the fans like to scapegoat, it's the defence midfield and attack all getting in on the act.
Our pressing as a team is also a major reason we're being hit on the counter, teams just cut right through us every time we lose the ball.
I still think we should be creating more chances than we do given the attacking talent we have, even when we were playing well in the 1st half we didn't have many clear chances to show for it, West Ham arguably having the better chances.
It's part of the reason we get hit on the counter so often. If we could reduce the amount of needless turnovers by 50%, even 30% it would make a big difference in the control we have over games. And it's not just 1 or 2 culprits giving the ball away as much as the fans like to scapegoat, it's the defence midfield and attack all getting in on the act.
Our pressing as a team is also a major reason we're being hit on the counter, teams just cut right through us every time we lose the ball.
I still think we should be creating more chances than we do given the attacking talent we have, even when we were playing well in the 1st half we didn't have many clear chances to show for it, West Ham arguably having the better chances.
We probably are to predictable, but still
it seems like we’re difficult to stop. Our combination play in close situation up front is occasionally very very good.
it seems like we’re difficult to stop. Our combination play in close situation up front is occasionally very very good.
We are entering matches like Bambi on ice and learn as we go.
Coaching in the 2nd half though is top notch. Lingard curling it like a proper number 7.
Coaching in the 2nd half though is top notch. Lingard curling it like a proper number 7.
What does a good job in speaking for Ole to be in charge of recruitment. It doesn't really speak for or against his tactical acumen. And that isn't even a dig but a mere statement.
Probably because of the same reason that got repeated on here quite a lot on tuesday: "one game doesn't really change the overall picture". It was nice to see Ole get it so right today. Criticism will die down as soon as this is happening on a regular basis.
We have to try to get over this "I was right and you were wrong" stuff. It leads nowhere.
Yea but that domination, those chances, the possession, the goals, the shots, all that stuff, that was just individual brilliance.
Where were the patterns of play?
That's what important. Right?
People were accusing us of jumping on Ole after the Young Boys result.
So now following this game where we won, had so much possession, x many shots on target and whatever else, I'll point out the same problems (or at least the ones I'm complaining about) were still present.
It doesn't mean we'll never win games, dominate possession or create lots of chances. And games where we do just that don't mean those flaws weren't in evidence. Sometimes the positives outweigh the negatives and the positional problems end up not mattering as much.
It's not some damning indictment of Solkjaer as a manager. It's just a consistent, annoying negative would be solvable with a different coach being added under him, in the same way he sought a set-piece coach to try and address that problem.
So now following this game where we won, had so much possession, x many shots on target and whatever else, I'll point out the same problems (or at least the ones I'm complaining about) were still present.
It doesn't mean we'll never win games, dominate possession or create lots of chances. And games where we do just that don't mean those flaws weren't in evidence. Sometimes the positives outweigh the negatives and the positional problems end up not mattering as much.
It's not some damning indictment of Solkjaer as a manager. It's just a consistent, annoying negative would be solvable with a different coach being added under him, in the same way he sought a set-piece coach to try and address that problem.
It's bloody obvious with Fred and McTominay in midfield. If we get better players than them we will play better.
I had to google him. Hes a nobody, pretty sure the OP is trolling. I havent heard any pundit or ex player use the terms of ‘individual brilliance’ or ‘no patterns of play’ about us. Just meaningless buzzwords that supposedly count as categoric proof we are ‘badly coached’. I’ve pressed several to explain the meaning of the phrases and theres never been a half decent answer. Tend to just ignore those sorts of posts now
Who?
I actually thought Ole and the team did well today. We dominated and controlled the first half something we hadn’t done in ages. We played some nice passing too.
Second half when we started to flag, he made changes (something I’ve criticised him for not doing in the past) which were the correct changes in my opinion too. The one of his subs scored and won the game for us.
Not sure what there is to complain about today?
Second half when we started to flag, he made changes (something I’ve criticised him for not doing in the past) which were the correct changes in my opinion too. The one of his subs scored and won the game for us.
Not sure what there is to complain about today?
Lars Lagerback just said on Swedish tv that he doesn’t have enough patterns of play and it’s a joke that Phil Jones got another contract.
My dads mates sisters cousins mates brothers girlfriends sister said we relied on individual brilliance so thats all the proof needed really. Sack the PE teacher
I'm watching games with less attention.
Not really a comment about coaching, kind of, but I thought this season would see the end to some of Oles naive decisions. He got away with it today because De Gea saved the penalty but there are strange decisions. Why sub Fred for Matic in the 87th minute? How can he affect the game, it takes 5-10 minutes just to get up to the speed of the match for him. Lingard bailed him out aswell, but that will be the exception, not the rule with Lingard. I hope I'm proved wrong on that one.
As far as midfield is concerned it is in these games you expect our midfielders to step up the challenge. They're playing against a player in midfield who is being talked up as a replacement for them. Go out and show why people are wrong about that. Not sure who is trying to motivate our midfielders before games but it appears to need to be better.
As far as midfield is concerned it is in these games you expect our midfielders to step up the challenge. They're playing against a player in midfield who is being talked up as a replacement for them. Go out and show why people are wrong about that. Not sure who is trying to motivate our midfielders before games but it appears to need to be better.
There are games where Ole deserves criticism but for this game it's weird. West Ham away is a tough place to go, we scored 2 goals, hit the post once, Ronaldo missed 2 one v ones, he should have had 2 penalties. On other day this would have been much more comfortable win than what scoreline shows.
Matic did affect the game though, he helped win it
Yea, that's my point, strange decisions that he is getting away with. I didn't think be did either.