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Sané looks to be really back on good form since the international break, after a longer drought. Very happy for him.
The switch to the left side did wonders, he looks so infinitely more comfortable there, wonder why Flick never figured it out.
 

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?? Surprise, surprise, almost everybody feels the Bundesliga is an unexciting and poor competition. I wonder how anybody could think differently. It's okay to like the league, I do too by the way, but there's no doubt the majority of football fans in germany and outside of germany find the current state not interesting. And what would that have to do with which club I follow? It's pretty embarrassing to attack someone because he's a fan of club X. As if that somehow would mean I can't participate in these discussions just because Schalke is an absolute mess.



Yeah, the funny thing is, judging by how shitty Schalke has been last season, it actually dropped. On a completely different note, it's very obvious that Schalke's decline played its part in the decline of the bundesliga as a whole. Just like Bremen, Hamburg, Berlin and the likes.

I really feel sorry for people who are so extremely defensive and feel it's necessary to lash out like that because I follow Schalke. Once again, it's a serious inferiority complex. Bayern is a well run and big club with a hegemony unprecedented in germany, but the league is absolute shit currently. Why is that so hard to admit?



There's just Bayern, Dortmund at the top, maybe Leipzig. But what club comes next? Huge gap, just like the gap between Bayern and Dortmund or Leipzig. Tenth title in a row for Bayern, Wolfsburg and Mainz won't be up top come season's end.
Don't worry, Bundesliga is being crushed by a team that in UCL is only outperformed by Real Madrid.

Nothing to be ashamed of.
 

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Bremen are so stupid, it's unreal :lol:
Incredibly wasteful...I still see them finishing ahead of HSV and Schalke though. It's probably fitting that Hamburg beat Werder and Schalke but won only one of their other 5 matches. They'll drop plenty of unexpected points like every year.
 

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Incredibly wasteful...I still see them finishing ahead of HSV and Schalke though. It's probably fitting that Hamburg beat Werder and Schalke but won only one of their other 5 matches. They'll drop plenty of unexpected points like every year.
With Grammozis on the bench I have no hope for Schalke. I'm not sure their football is one bit better than last season, they just play worse opposition and Terodde does his magic. It's amazing how deep playing terrible football is ingrained into their club DNA. Putting their mascot in goal is already blowing up in their faces as well.

Hamburg however have signed a coach who is trying to implement quite ambitious changes to their football, something which needs time and can end very well if everyone is patient or very badly if the team loses faith. So I wouldn't judge them yet.
And to be honest we should all cheer them on to succeed, because if he has some success, maybe more coaches will take a look at Walter's "crazy" rotations in buildup. :drool:
 
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I think "shit" is just a pretty stupid adjective to use. The lack of variety in the title race is obviously a problem, but a league table doesn't just have first place and for example last season we had a very exciting race for the top 4, we had terrific drama around the coaches and historic achievements at the bottom.
And the football itself is quite obviously not flat out shit. There's a focus on progressive and attractive football at most clubs, German coaches are respected all over Europe.
I get why foreigners don't bother to look past Bayern, but I'd expect a bit more nuance from people, who follow things closely.
I'm dead :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS: see?!??!?! I was right about Sane all along!
 

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And as far as coaching goes: take a look at the table: Wolfsburg with a perfect record, Mainz (all thanks to Svensson) in third place, Rose, then you have Streich, Baumgart, who turned Cologne around into an entertaining team, Fischer, who has done great things at Union, Sebastian nephew of Uli, who at the very least plays entertaining attacking football with Hoffenheim, Materazzo at Stuttgart, Hütter at Gladbach and even a lower midtable team like Leipzig try their best to play an open pressing game. As far as I'm aware Bundesliga and Serie A are significantly ahead of the other leagues when it comes to goals per game.
I almost missed this :drool:
 

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I'm dead :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS: see?!??!?! I was right about Sane all along!
You mean switching him to the left wing? It seems to help him, indeed. But Gnabry is also better on the left IMO and you take away Davies overlaps a bit. It is a work a progress but it is good that he gets confidence out of it.
 

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Another game, another 2nd minute lead for Leverkusen. Stuttgart look a bit hopeless.

The fans chanting "without Bayer nothing would be going on here". The irony seems to be lost upon them.

I'm dead :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS: see?!??!?! I was right about Sane all along!
Yeah, he looks like a different player almost.




Feck me, was that a homage to Keane's foul on Haaland? Hope Andrich sits out for a while..

 
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Feck me, was that a homage to Keane's foul on Haaland? Hope Andrich sits out for a while..
My name is Robert Andrich and I like my red cards to be brutal...



Meanwhile Florian Wirtz has 3 goals and 4 assists in 210 minutes this season...quite a start.
 

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You mean switching him to the left wing? It seems to help him, indeed. But Gnabry is also better on the left IMO and you take away Davies overlaps a bit. It is a work a progress but it is good that he gets confidence out of it.
Sane has his sight on the ball rather than his teammates still, and 90% of his critical passes don't arrive. Let's see how he performs against teams other than Bochum and Barca (hehe) then I'll reconsider my assessment.
 

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Süledinho getting shafted going by that list.
 

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The state of Hamburg has allowed full capacity stadiums, as long as they follow "2G" rules, meaning fans have to either be vaccinated or have to have recovered from a covid infection.

It only affect HSV and St. Pauli yet, but I assume others will follow suit.
 

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The state of Hamburg has allowed full capacity stadiums, as long as they follow "2G" rules, meaning fans have to either be vaccinated or have to have recovered from a covid infection.

It only affect HSV and St. Pauli yet, but I assume others will follow suit.
I don't understand what the tweet means regarding "how quickly the club can move onto 2G"? Surely there's no logistical question whatsoever, they just change the admission rules. And Hamburg has about 80% vaccination rate for adults so I doubt they'll have any problems to fill their stadium because of the change.
 

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I don't understand what the tweet means regarding "how quickly the club can move onto 2G"? Surely there's no logistical question whatsoever, they just change the admission rules. And Hamburg has about 80% vaccination rate for adults so I doubt they'll have any problems to fill their stadium because of the change.
For starters they may already have sold some tickets to people who don't fall under the 2G rules and then they have to organize how to verify the 2G status. It shouldn't be a huge issue, but their next home game is on Sunday and that might be too early.
 

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For starters they may already have sold some tickets to people who don't fall under the 2G rules and then they have to organize how to verify the 2G status. It shouldn't be a huge issue, but their next home game is on Sunday and that might be too early.
Ah yeah, seems logical. I also forgot about season ticket holders etc.

Btw. @Damien could we stick this thread? It's quite unfamiliar to not have all the big 5 leagues at the top.
 

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Btw. @Damien could we stick this thread? It's quite unfamiliar to not have all the big 5 leagues at the top.
I like to read up on the English, Spanish, German, Italian and Portugese leagues but please also add the French league.
 

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Finally some good news for Schalke! They dodged a 6 point deduction by fulfilling their licensing conditions.
 

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Finally some good news for Schalke! They dodged a 6 point deduction by fulfilling their licensing conditions.
Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come for them. They might struggle on the pitch this season, but here's hoping that they can kick on next season.
 

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Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come for them. They might struggle on the pitch this season, but here's hoping that they can kick on next season.
I don't think it means a lot. As far as I know DFL's licensing just asks whether a club can finance their next season and this year they completely watered down the process anyway, to give the clubs that were hit hardest by the pandemic some breathing room.

And as far as the future goes: at the moment their game plan begins and ends with Simon Terodde, who is 33 years old and whose contract expires in the summer. It's not like they are building anything: most of their players are loaned and/or old.
They also have this beauty hanging over their heads: https://www.boerse-frankfurt.de/bond/de000a2aa048-fussballclub-gelsenkirchen-schalke-04-e-v-5-16-23
 

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Jonas Hofmann was tired of being popular with the fans, so he gave Bild an interview, where he said he's the kind of guy who likes new challenges and is open for change. He also told them that he had some talks with Bayern over the summer. That Marco Rose doesn't deserve to be booed and that Dortmund, coincidentally their next opponent and not exactly the most popular competitor among the fans, are a big club and he can't rule out going back there.

That's my kind of humor.

I wonder though whether this is a symptom of a bigger problem. It reminds me a bit of mighty Spurs after their CL final: everyone knows this was their peak, that it won't get better than that. And aside from Sommer and Stindl pretty much all of their key players have either been strongly linked or even openly talked about leaving the club. Yet no one actually got to leave this summer and, aside from 18 year old Netz, no one new joined them either.
 
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According to Bild Schalke are demoting their goal keeper, a couple of months after extending his contract until 2025. If I remember correctly the last goal keeper to survive an entire season as first choice must have been Fährmann himself in 2017.

His replacement will be the legendary Martin Fraisl:

This opens up some nice options for their build up. Which, being Schalke, they won't make use of at all.
 

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According to Bild Schalke are demoting their goal keeper, a couple of months after extending his contract until 2025. If I remember correctly the last goal keeper to survive an entire season as first choice must have been Fährmann himself in 2017.

His replacement will be the legendary Martin Fraisl:

This opens up some nice options for their build up. Which, being Schalke, they won't make use of at all.
Sums up Schalke perfectly. They are not bad, but they will really take time to build a proper team to challenge for the league again.
 

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Sums up Schalke perfectly. They are not bad, but they will really take time to build a proper team to challenge for the league again.
I've written this a couple of posts before, but if they are currently building something, then I don't see what it is. Out of their 11 goals this season Terodde scored 8 and assisted another two and he's 33 years old with an expiring contract. With all their 30+ year old signings they have built a short term squad and all they seem to be able to accomplish with it is a mid table finish.
 

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I've written this a couple of posts before, but if they are currently building something, then I don't see what it is. Out of their 11 goals this season Terodde scored 8 and assisted another two and he's 33 years old with an expiring contract. With all their 30+ year old signings they have built a short term squad and all they seem to be able to accomplish with it is a mid table finish.
Just a kind of cheap squad to keep the club from going bankrupt while being at least competitive in the second league. I guess that's all that could be expected from them under the circumstances this summer?
 

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Grammozis is just some random nobody. He might be in their bracket of affordability, but you still would assume they might find someone more inspiring and capable. What's he doing demoting the remaining solid and proven players this sad club has? Who gave him the authority?
 

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Just a kind of cheap squad to keep the club from going bankrupt while being at least competitive in the second league. I guess that's all that could be expected from them under the circumstances this summer?
That begs the question whether Schalke's ambitions before this season really were so modest and whether they can actually consolidate themselves financially without winning back promotion.

Grammozis is just some random nobody. He might be in their bracket of affordability, but you still would assume they might find someone more inspiring and capable. What's he doing demoting the remaining solid and proven players this sad club has? Who gave him the authority?
These days Fährmann is neither solid nor proven. He's basically sitting out his contract.
 
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Bayern's starting eleven against Fürth:

Neuer - Pavard, Upamecano, Süle, Hernandez - Kimmich, Goretzka, L. Sané, T. Müller, Davies - Lewandowski

Phonzie as winger, or will it be another hopeful attempt at a three man defense with him and Pavard at wingback?
 

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Fürth are redefining "financial disadvantage".
 

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Henry Kissinger still hasn't croaked though

also, they have Julian Green
 

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Unconvincing performance so far. Sloppiness all over the pitch.

Kimmich makes it 2-0.
 

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Kimmich must've learnt that from Kroos.

Bayern's with a very Klopp Dortmundesque performance. A lot of pace in attack, which is causing sloopiness in passing but also a lot of attacking opportunities.
 

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Pavard sent off. Questionable decision to put it mildly.

Oh well, we had one too many defenders on the pitch anyway.
 

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Referee doing Nagelsmann's job for him. We're now actually better without Pavard stinking up the place.
 
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Pavard sent off. Questionable decision to put it mildly.

Oh well, we had one too many defenders on the pitch anyway.
It was a stonewall red.
And the problem was neither Pavard nor us playing with too many defenders. The system looked really good, it created tons of exploitable space especially for Sané, but sloppy passing by pretty much everyone ruined most promising attacks.
 

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You really think so? Clear red to me.
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It was a stonewall red.
And the problem was neither Pavard nor us playing with too many defenders. The system looked really good, it created tons of exploitable space especially for Sané, but sloppy passing by pretty much everyone ruined most promising attacks.
Oh the red was for the nature of the tackle itself, you reckon? Fair enough, I didn't see a close up replay, just saw the one replay to check whether he was last man and he arguably wasn't.

As for the bold part, I'm just continuing my pet grievance with three man backlines. I just don't like it. I don't like the lack of midfield control that goes along with it.
Add Kimmich's and Goretzka's sloppy touches and passing of late, and it gets too wild and chaotic for me. Even though, you're right, this way we never lacked space to attack into.