It certainly is an issue we need to work on , we had a lot of big lads in there today and we should be far more dangerous from corners than we are , if we got 100 corners today I don't think we have troubled them with one of them. We are so ineffective with them and have been for a long time now
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It doesn't make sense how wasteful we are to be honest. Simply needs better coaching you would think, because we've clearly got many many threats to be doing much better.
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Yeah how toothless we are from them is a real problem
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Why is Shaw taking it ? Bruno has a better delivery while Shaw is just floating it. Floating ones are so easy to defend.
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You think Greenwood can swing an in swinging corner with his right foot?I’d have Greenwood on them. He is two-footed and can do an inswinger or outswinger from either side.
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"Roughly three per cent of all corners have led to goals."
Anyone know our precentege?
Anyone know our precentege?
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This is still something that needs work. I thought in the Newcastle game we looked a threat but today was back to the bad old days. Opposition seemingly reaching the ball unchallenged.
With Maguire, Varane, Ronaldo and maybe even McTominay as obvious threats we need to work on this in training.
With Maguire, Varane, Ronaldo and maybe even McTominay as obvious threats we need to work on this in training.
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I'm sure Bruno did take a couple today, no?
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I think Shaw has good technique and whilst I don't think his delivery has been great, it's not bad per se.
Like many things our (set piece) movement and approach is atrocious as it's basically get the ball to the area as fast as possible.
No second hand movement, no near post movement, no short quick corners, no variation in our attacking of the space to create better angles etc.
It's so bad and blunt, we become susceptible to counters as everyone goes for the first ball and if we don't get a connection on it, the opposition can break whilst we have only two players on the edge of the box.
Amateur stuff.
Like many things our (set piece) movement and approach is atrocious as it's basically get the ball to the area as fast as possible.
No second hand movement, no near post movement, no short quick corners, no variation in our attacking of the space to create better angles etc.
It's so bad and blunt, we become susceptible to counters as everyone goes for the first ball and if we don't get a connection on it, the opposition can break whilst we have only two players on the edge of the box.
Amateur stuff.
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The goals will come, it's positive that we created 11 corners.
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I think the whole game plan of our corners are to pounce on the clearance. As evidenced by placement of all of our midfielders and finishers in and around the box.
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We hit a post on one today, right? Thought it was in...
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I complained about that in the post match thread, was quite annoyed with it..
Wish we had someone who can whip them like JWP
Wish we had someone who can whip them like JWP
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To score from them yes, but to at least work the keeper, not that rare. They obviously had 4 big lads in there too, so the talked about height advantage wasn't enormous, but I would expect at least one of ten to result in a keeper having to make a save. But more than that, it's about the delivery. It's the floated aspect which is much easier to defend against, rather than pinging it into the 6 yard box or near post for a flick on. I know he's the best at it in the league, but Ward-Prowse takes proper corners. I can't imagine Bruno is technically worse than Shaw, or Mason.It is incredibly rare to score from corners.
I believe if we scored from 1 of our 11 today it would actually be above the average conversion rate.
The percentage rate is so low that it is probably more sensible to just play it short and build up again even if you have to do so from the back.
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Wan-Bissaka is absolutely brilliant in defending these counter attacks after corners. You just can't dribble past him.I think Shaw's generally very good at taking them, but if someone else does it also means we'll be much more defensively secure against the break, because he's by far the best at that 'last man' quarterback holding role. Fred can't do it at all. Wan Bissaka is ok at it but doesn't have the technique to take the high clearance down really crisply with onrushing attackers.
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Yes, he's great at it. But if we have two attackers going at one player, that's a problem. Fred gets sold way too easily, so not enough cover.Wan-Bissaka is absolutely brilliant in defending these counter attacks after corners. You just can't dribble past him.
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Maguire is sooooo much better at this useless skill. It seems like he gets his head on 50%+ of our corners and never comes close.Maguire the new king (replacing Smalling) of getting his head to corners but not scoring from them.
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This thought always comes up in these discussion but the attacking team gets the ball back anyway for 90% of the corners that are cleared so of course it's not a waste to cross it inIt is incredibly rare to score from corners.
I believe if we scored from 1 of our 11 today it would actually be above the average conversion rate.
The percentage rate is so low that it is probably more sensible to just play it short and build up again even if you have to do so from the back.
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I'm so used to his exasperated expression following every corner I'd probably expect him to look like that when buying groceries. "oh feck, they're out of soya sauce, not again @##"Maguire is sooooo much better at this useless skill. It seems like he gets his head on 50%+ of our corners and never comes close.
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Shaw probably shouldn't be on corners. He hits a great lofted cross for shorter set pieces but the best corners are normally hit with more pace which isn't something he does well. Bruno would be my choice.
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why not just taking a short corner, if we know we're awful on direct cross to the box? Then we have the ball more, and if we still want to cross, the distance is significantly less.
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just exposes the mediocrity of our coaching staff.
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We’ve been shit at corners since the late Fergie days, except for that one freak season when even Evra scored from one iirc.
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Then why can't teams try something else? Short corners or be innovative. What is the point of trying something that rarely workThey were shit today but everyone has to remember — corners are just generally not as successful for scoring from as you’d expect.
https://sqaf.club/goals-from-corners-stats/
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i swear as far back as 2004 people were whining about the lack of threat we pose from set pieces. It continues to this day so i'm not sure if that's a complaint unique to us or every other side also feels they can do better.
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Read the article + Reddit link it references — short corners don’t work any better either. Corners are just a very low percentage form of success in general.Then why can't teams try something else? Short corners or be innovative. What is the point of trying something that rarely work
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That article is a bit misleading - everything in football has a relatively low chance of success, taken in isolation. The article is useful in that it points out that scoring a corner every game is never going to happen, even if you get 10 corners per match. However crosses, through balls, free kicks and so on all have low probabilities of success themselves. After all, even a title-winning team might score only slightly better than 2 goals per game as the sum reward for every attacking action per match.Read the article + Reddit link it references — short corners don’t work any better either. Corners are just a very low percentage form of success in general.
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I dont understand why everyone thinks we will score loads because we have big players. There is more to scoring a headed goal as well as being big. Like finding space. Jumping at the right time. Putting it in the right place when you actually get your head to the ball etc. Sure they might be able to get their head on the ball every now and then but getting it into the goal is a different matter. Maguire for instance. Everyone is surprised he doesn't score 8 goals a season. But he never has except for England. Even for Leicester. He gets what 1/2 a season. Pogba is big and not the best. Varane maybe but Ive yet to see it. Ronaldo is our only good goal scoring heading player.
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Didn't we hire the guy from Chelsea to help with corners? What's he telling them, "just beat the first man and we'll be happy" I mean it does make a nice change they're not punted at the nearest opposition player for a change.
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Maguire will never come close to Smalling in terms of scoring key goals.
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They were too floaty and aimed at the very far post which makes them easier to defend
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Corners are bread and butter for a team like West Ham. They probably spend hours a week on defending them. There’s a reason why we generally only score corners against top 4 teams
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West Ham are probably the best set-piece team in the Premier League. Last season they scored more goals from set-pieces than any other team and were 4th for aerial duals won. They have players like Dawson, Soucek, Ogbonna, Zouma and Rice who are all strong in the air. It was little surprise that we didn't score from 11 corners. We should actually be happy that we defended their set-pieces so well.I swear some posters think opposition teams should just roll over every time we attack. Certainly our corners could have been better, but West Ham defended them really well.
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I was expecting United to be getting lots of goals from corners this season, they need to work on them.
Ronaldo, Varane, Maguire, Pogba all should be getting a few headers a season.
Ronaldo, Varane, Maguire, Pogba all should be getting a few headers a season.
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Well there was a great save made from a corner yesterday (Bruno's volley).To score from them yes, but to at least work the keeper, not that rare. They obviously had 4 big lads in there too, so the talked about height advantage wasn't enormous, but I would expect at least one of ten to result in a keeper having to make a save. But more than that, it's about the delivery. It's the floated aspect which is much easier to defend against, rather than pinging it into the 6 yard box or near post for a flick on. I know he's the best at it in the league, but Ward-Prowse takes proper corners. I can't imagine Bruno is technically worse than Shaw, or Mason.
I think that was from a corner, I hope my memory isn't letting me down.
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Maguire should stop trying to score a header and tactically block a defender getting on to the ball.
He is never scoring headers consistently
He is never scoring headers consistently
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I believe was, it was a great save.Well there was a great save made from a corner yesterday (Bruno's volley).
I think that was from a corner, I hope my memory isn't letting me down.
For me, I just think the quality on the deliveries is so poor. Ridiculously poor, that's why people get annoyed at failed corners more so than not scoring from them.
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Yep. I remember the complaints about our corners starting in the last few years of Beckham being here, so if even he can't do it to the level expected then nobody really has a chance.i swear as far back as 2004 people were whining about the lack of threat we pose from set pieces. It continues to this day so i'm not sure if that's a complaint unique to us or every other side also feels they can do better.
Shaw was starting to put in some good corners last season, and really none of the ones yesterday were actually bad. None hit the first man, none were way overhit (except maybe one?), and none were collected by the keeper. It's just that they weren't particularly great corners either as they were perhaps forcing the recipient to do a bit too much.
With Maguire, Ronaldo, Varane, McTominay and to some extent Pogba, I do hope we will score a good amount of corners this season. But a 'good amount' is still not that many really.
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The final Fergie season with RVP taking corners is the only time I can ever remember us being legit good at them.