No he's electable. Didn't you hear him say how he's serious about winning and that he's going focus on the things that lead to a win?
I was happy when Starmer was elected leader but Christ he’s been awful. With the pandemic I gave him further benefit of the doubt as I don’t think it would have looked good him “playing politics” at the time. But he offers no opposition, no inspiration. He needs to change tactic and fast but he isn’t going to. I know Blair and New Labour are hated by many on here but Blair at least gave a vision in 1997 and introduced many changes (see below). All Starmer seems to be offering is to be slightly less crap than the Tories.
"Death and Taxes........ the only certainties in life"
yeah but... red tories... iraq... something about Israel and OOOOH Jeremy Corbyn so non of that counts
I was actually a big fan of Brown. I don't need my exact politics to be represented to be happy with the leadership.
Well, listening to his speech, it is nothing of the sort.
He made the hammer destined to put the final nail in Labour's coffin.
They're more likely heckling the cynicism one needs in order to use a relative's death to garner sympathy, in a massively rehearsed and ghost written speech, among people whom Starmer has intentionally decided to feck over.
This is very accurate. Starmer was my pick of the various candidates when the leadership election was running and I gave him chances but he has proved to be worse than the worst iteration of Corbyn (the absolute populist version of 2019 who seemed to think that internet memes and popular culture endorsements were enough to win an election). If I were on the right or centre-right of Labour I would want a new leader instantly. A centre-right version of Burnham (which is basically Burnham) would be an instant impovement on the dog shit which is Keir Starmer. He has all the personal quirks that Miliband had and England hated without, somehow, even being as relatable or likable as Miliband. His policy is to move to the right to win back Tory voters which is a strategy doomed by the fact that the Tories will retain all those voters if the contest is fought on the grounds of who has the most rightwing credentials whilst promising a liberal vision of the UK post-Brexit.
Also 2010 and 2015 when Labour lost with centrist/centre-right positions. You can forgive 2010 because of the economic crash but Miliband's centrist platform was more appealing than Starmer's. Many would probably take a centrist candidate so long as that candidate doesn't declare open war on left wing elements within a left wing party and actually shows signs that he can be elected.
He's not in charge now, Mandelson is.
50/50.
This isn't the Jeremy Corbyn thread, though, this is the Keir Starmer thread. Why can't you defend him on merit, instead of defending him by saying "look at what Corbyn did"?
As to my point above, the best to happen to centrists was the Left taking over. Suddenly the failure started there and you all seem to have selective amensia.
I guess the election could be three years still and the painful slow-mo car crash leadership surely can't last that long.
I was giving him 50/50 too but I thought the conference went quite well for him, and his position is stronger than I thought. The hecklers and protest helped too, they made a move but seemed too weak to gather support.
Based on my CLP, most right wing labour members do see he can't win an election. Hell, if we're being honest, the Blairite tribute act he's surrounding himself with probably know he's a lame duck too. He's still useful to the latter though as long as he continues to wage war on the left and push through as many rule changes as possible. If he can sideline the left and grassroots members and ensure that when he eventually fails there's no chance of a socialist leader, then he'll have served his purpose to them.
You mentioned Corbyn not me.
Again, what is the point though? This is specifically the Starmer thread, not the general UK politics thread. Was it just a comment drive-by? You're obviously welcome to your opinions, but it would help if you would relate it to Starmer in some way.
Ok. Understand.
Ah, I missed the post it was in response to. I'd say this post makes it a lot clearer than just saying that left-wing hasn't worked, so I get what you're saying.
No worries.
2010?
Couldn't agree more.
Wasn't 2017 the best Labour election result in recent memory?
I think 18 months is more likley... fixed term parliament act has gone so I'd guess spring 2023
It taught labour the wrong lessons, it laid the foundations of the subsequent generational defeat, and they still lost, so no.
Labour would struggle to dig itself out of a landslide defeat in a single parliament, whoever was leader and an honest assessment has always recognised that.
The election afterwards was so heavily influenced by Brexit that it almost stands alone as a unique, single issue GE. No doubt Labour had issues with their Brexit polices.
Yeah I guess planning these things is nigh on impossible given it's one thing after another at the mo'. Saying that, it's hard to have any great conviction that Labour will have got their shit together by then.
Yeah for me the main driver is nuessing spring 2023 is the snpmdemand for indy ref 2 by the end of 2023
Considering the damage the Tories have done to the union with Northern Ireland and even driving Scotland more towards wanting independence, people would have to be stupid to fall for this...
