And was subbed of after barely breaking a sweat.
What’s the dilemma with Donny’s playing time & Ole?
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Van De Beek's issues are twofold. Our midfield two are largely there to break up play, cover ground and generally do the dirty work so the rest can concentrate on attack, and the three we play behind the striker are there for their dynamism and ability to score and assist. Donny doesn't fit either of those roles as well as other players in the squad and he hasn't demonstrated that he's good enough in other ways to force Ole to change how we play to include him.
I'm almost certain we signed him because we thought Pogba would be gone by now and we saw him as a possible long-term #8. I sympathise with him to an extent, but if was as good as some in here think he is he'd be playing, or at least he'd be using the chances he's had to show why he should be.
I'm almost certain we signed him because we thought Pogba would be gone by now and we saw him as a possible long-term #8. I sympathise with him to an extent, but if was as good as some in here think he is he'd be playing, or at least he'd be using the chances he's had to show why he should be.
I don't agree with much of this but I'm going to concentrate on this part bolded.
Pogba doesn't get into the team ahead of McFred. Pogba is shoehorned into the team and has been for much of the time this calendar year and then at time was kept on the bench.
Ole has a hard on for 2 mediocre midfielders who do an average job at best. Neither one is a no.6 and neither can pass. McT has a good shot on him.
These 2 are our first choice midfield if everyone in the squad is fit. Ahead of pogba, VDB and matic.
So it makes zero sense to me how Donny could be seen as a replacement for Pogba.
Ole isn't good enough and never will be. The sooner the decision is made for Ole and his backroom staff to go the better.
according to his agent Ole told them plans for one formation, then after signing changed his mind
For me it just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying Donny is a world beater or anything even close, but Fred has been sooooo frickin bad this season and Matic can't play two games in a row any more. Surely he has to be at least considered for some games, even as a sub? But in the games that really matter he rarely gets a minute. It's frustrating.
I just think we should have let him go out on loan if we had no intention of using him. Letting him rot on the bench is a bit shitty and I understand his frustration.
OK, forgot that, but substituted at 46'. I think there has been only 2 or 3 times when Ole has subbed anybody before 60th minute mark, during his entire career at United. Either way, zero EPL starts.
To me, it's simple: Donny and his agent have been conned by a sack of lies. I will support him if he puts a transfer request, especially when this manager is doing about everything to make me hate him (the manager) as a person when weeks go by while served with the same crap.
Donny cannot be worse than Scott right now surely. I was at the game on Wednesday and it was clear to see that Scott was hiding when the cb's are in possession so that they are forced to go the full backs every time. Donny would at least show for the ball and pass forward.
With Fred and Scott at their worst surely it's time to give him chances.
Put in a transfer request and rightfully so. Baffling treatment by Ole
Didn't he put one and was about to go to Everton on loan and Ole refused?
It makes less sense when you watch the absolute shit show that is our midfield at the moment.
I know we all talk about Scott and Fred always breaking up the play which is why they're there, but they're not even doing that at the moment, so I don't get it.
I know we all talk about Scott and Fred always breaking up the play which is why they're there, but they're not even doing that at the moment, so I don't get it.
Thought he was decent in the league cup game, decent ball for Mason over the top for our best chance of the game and put some decent tackles in… and the first half against Young Boys, would have stayed on if not for the red card.
After seeing him bulk up pre season I was hoping he’d get more minutes, it’s an odd one for sure. Clearly not trusted. Shame.
After seeing him bulk up pre season I was hoping he’d get more minutes, it’s an odd one for sure. Clearly not trusted. Shame.
VDB gets like 10 minutes to prove himself on the field and apparently he is shit and doesn't deserve more time because Ole definitely knows best. But Ole has been sub-par since 2019 yet we need to give him another 5 years because everyone needs 10 years to learn a job. Irony goes whoosh over the Ole inners' heads.
This is just terrible management by Ole. Learn to call a spade a spade sometimes yea.
This is just terrible management by Ole. Learn to call a spade a spade sometimes yea.
Well said.
The Ole in vs Ole out arguments are so cringe
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If that was Jose with us or Kovac at Bayern, that is the kind of comment that would get a manager crucified on the outside and sparking the loss of the dressing room on the inside.
Maybe if that was all he said...
Donny is right how is it sulking. Like a girlfriend who begs you to stay and give her one more chance when you’re happy to leave, only for her to then stay out for a month. He’s not sulking he’s wondering what the feck is Ole’s odd thinking. I’d be forcing out for jan if it continues.
Maybe if he was allowed to play elsewhere and not kept here it wouldnt have got to this
Ole literally said he was not sulking and had no problem with him. I suppose you didn't read the full quote in context?
Exactly. He has every right to feel aggrieved. No idea why Ole blocked his loan move.
Asked to go out on loan, the club agreed, his agent agreed one with Everton and Ole blocked it at the last min
Until recently I had high hopes for VDB, but after
last game he started I was shocked by how slow and weak he looked. He was in arrears all the time. Can’t see him challenge either Fred, McT or Bruno. I also choose Lingard 9 of 10 times before VDB.
last game he started I was shocked by how slow and weak he looked. He was in arrears all the time. Can’t see him challenge either Fred, McT or Bruno. I also choose Lingard 9 of 10 times before VDB.
His United career is over. I mean it never really started, but he has lost hope and he wont play a lot. Ole promised him more game time but wont give it to him.
You figured that out after arguably the best game he played for us?
Are you sure the club agreed?
Could be wrong but the quotes I read from his agent it sounded like he took it upon himself to start shopping Donny around when Ronaldo was signed without consulting the club. Which is why Solskjaer nixed the idea when he found out about it.
I hate the man for putting his personal favorites on at the expense of other options, especially when those favorites are fecking us up hard. It has been the same problem under LVG and Jose as well. If meritocracy is actually a thing under a serious manager, it would not be difficult to think that Fred and McTominay would be the ones making cameos at best instead of starting matches these days. I don't know what Ole owes to the jokers known as McFred, but meritocracy would have seen them spending more time on the bench than they did by now.You hate Solskjaer as a person because he's not playing Donny Van De Beek?
There are 3 criteria for a Manchester United manager is expected to do: WIN, play attractive football, and promote youth. As far as everyone is concerned, he's not doing any of the three items to satisfactory levels this far. The closest parallel I can make with Ole's management of Donny is Moyes' (hate the cnut) treatment of Shinji Kagawa, of whom Fergie knew perfectly how to use.
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Good riddance. Nothing player.
I really don't understand how people can support VDB over Ole in this, he's had plenty of minutes and games and he's looked super safe and frankly ineffective in them. This isn't a charity, we're not simply going to play him forever and hope eventually something comes out, he himself has to take the initiative. Unfortunately with the nothingness he's shown so far those minutes will be few and far between, but that's his own fault and he needs to do more when he does get minutes.
I'm not a Lingard fan but he's shown more this season in about 5 odd games than VDB has over a full season.
I'm not a Lingard fan but he's shown more this season in about 5 odd games than VDB has over a full season.
That is not how it went down. His agent started shopping him right before the deadline and came back with a loan offer from Everton which would do us no good at all particularly after we had already agreed loans for Garner and Levitt. One or two injuries and Donny would be starting regularly, Ole was never going to agree a loan at that point and risk having no cover. It only looks bad if everyone stays fit and Donny doesn't get a look in but we are six games into the season and the melodrama over poor little urchin DVB has reached hysterical levels.
This, this and this. If our midfield was functionning then VDB would have to accept being on the bench, such life is but the room for improvement in that area is huge and he doesn't consistent play time. It's incredible really
Donny's biggest problem is Bruno Fernandes. They play the same role. Where Bruno plays, the positions he takes, the areas he runs into are all the places where Donny played for Ajax and the Netherlands. Donny is a Number 8/10. We need a number 6. Someone who can take the ball off the back 4 and play it to the number 8/10 or out wide to the wingers. Someone who can win the ball back, dictate play, control the game. Sit in the midfield and protect the back 4. A Carrick, a Keane, a Kante. That person isn't Donny. He is a Lingard type player, and people have got it into their heads that he is the replacement for Fred. He just isn't.
Players who could walk into our first 11 and make a difference...
Kalvin Philips
Bissouma
Neves
Rice
Ndidi
Everybody knows this. It will eventually happen. It has to.
Players who could walk into our first 11 and make a difference...
Kalvin Philips
Bissouma
Neves
Rice
Ndidi
Everybody knows this. It will eventually happen. It has to.
Thats fair enough but so is Fred yet he gets 40 starts a season and Ole thinks he’s a Zidane regen
If Ole looks at that midfield and generally thinks it’s doing well then god help us we’re winning feck all with McFred.
How many chances did ole give fred when he first took over despite one terrible showing after another before he started looking competent in a game here and there, same with Pereira and lingard, but some reason donny is barely allowed 3 games in a row to try and prove himself.
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