Newcastle United now owned by the PIF | PL receives "legally binding assurances that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not control NUFC" ;)

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Its like pointing at Hitlers infrastructure.
Yeah - but in fairness I've heard that most of Hitler's supporters only cared about roads.

And you can't deny that the roads he built were - dare I say it - world class.
 

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Yeah - but in fairness I've heard that most of Hitler's supporters only cared about roads.

And you can't deny that the roads he built were - dare I say it - world class.
The Austrians celebrating when he rolled in on a tank were only thinking of the improvements he'd make to their communities
 

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I don’t mean principles in that he wouldn’t work for the saudis, I just mean that he for example said no to United because he a) had a contract with Dortmund (still never broken one) and b) didn’t like the sales pitch.
No doubt United were offering a shed load more wages than Dortmund or even what he eventually got from Liverpool.
I just doubt he has the personality to leave Liverpool and go work in this kind of project. I mean, as if PSG haven’t sounded him out already.
Make sense. Although it's interesting that he managed Mainz 2001-08, Dortmund 2008-15, and now Liverpool 2015 - ...
Following the pattern, 2022 is his 7-year pattern.
 

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The Austrians celebrating when he rolled in on a tank were only thinking of the improvements he'd make to their communities
Yep.

(Of course this analogy doesn't really work - but the point is that IF they had actually celebrated because of infrastructure, they would've been idiots - and dangerous idiots at that. Just to be clear and whatnot).
 

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Well they are going to blow everyone out of the water within 5-7 years.
 

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Yep.

(Of course this analogy doesn't really work - but the point is that IF they had actually celebrated because of infrastructure, they would've been idiots - and dangerous idiots at that. Just to be clear and whatnot).
Interesting though, seeing them waving Saudi flags, if Hitler had bought Newcastle United, would they have been doon the Big Market waving Swastikas…
 

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Why does everyone assume they'll dominate, when we at United have seen for 8 years that it's not just about lashing money?!
 

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Why does everyone assume they'll dominate, when we at United have seen for 8 years that it's not just about lashing money?!
Well the Saudis probably won't leave the project in the hands of a banker for one
 

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Why does everyone assume they'll dominate, when we at United have seen for 8 years that it's not just about lashing money?!
Yeah, I don't think there is any certainty that this will work-out so easily.

This is a massively competitive league, and until they can crack a very well placed top 4, they won't be attracting the best players at their peak/formative stages.

City built towards Pep coming in and PSG have the run of the league. Newcastle don't have an obvious route to success and it will take the right people to get them there.

Also let's see how much of a PR hit this will be when every set of opposing fans start chanting "murderers" at them each game.
 

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Interesting though, seeing them waving Saudi flags, if Hitler had bought Newcastle United, would they have been doon the Big Market waving Swastikas…
We can joke about this now - and we probably shouldn't, but then again, etc.

Anyway - let's joke about it, then.

If - hypothetically - Newcastle United (in a similar football wise situation) had been purchased by Nazi Germany (or rather a "fund" financed by Nazi Germany) back in the mid 1930s...would fans have been waving swastikas around town (I mean toon)?

Probably not. But also likely not because most people in Newcastle were vehemently "anti-Nazi" (as such, in terms of every aspect associated with that particular ideology) back then. More because most people would've been vehemently against bloody foreigners buying their football club.

Which is something to think about.
 

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We can joke about this now - and we probably shouldn't, but then again, etc.

Anyway - let's joke about it, then.

If - hypothetically - Newcastle United (in a similar football wise situation) had been purchased by Nazi Germany (or rather a "fund" financed by Nazi Germany) back in the mid 1930s...would fans have been waving swastikas around town (I mean toon)?

Probably not. But also likely not because most people in Newcastle were vehemently "anti-Nazi" (as such, in terms of every aspect associated with that particular ideology) back then. More because most people would've been vehemently against bloody foreigners buying their football club.

Which is something to think about.
Real progress is going from despising all foreigners to liking and welcoming the most horrendous murderous foreigners. Such is the accepting nature of the Newcastle fans.

Well done.
 

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It might have been mentioned already but what do you think this could do for Newcastle as a city? The one thing I'm sympathetic about all this is how a takeover and increased interest in the football team might help improve aspects of the local area - firstly increased tourism but then through improvements to business and housing, etc.
It will improve the city I’m sure, only the rich will afford it though…
 

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Yeah, that wasn't my point.
You asked why the moral onus is on football fans. Well who else involved in these takeovers can be expected to have any morals?

Certainly not the PL or the UK government (a Tory Government at that) which was my point.
 

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I knew I shouldn't have posted that.

(Hint: I think a) that Newcastle fans celebrating their new owners is disgraceful and b) that the takeover in itself shouldn't have been possible in the first place).
I know you’re not serious! So am I by the way. I was sarcastically saying Well done to the Newcastle fans, not you.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
You asked why the moral onus is on football fans. Well who else involved in these takeovers can be expected to have any morals?

Certainly not the PL or the UK government (a Tory Government at that) which was my point.
Well my point is that for coming on 4 decades now both parties and the UK taxpayer have benefited directly from very lucrative and ethically dubious arms deals, which creates the environment where this deal took place. Personally I have a higher expectation from elected officials than idiots on the street. I'm not saying they are not wrong, on loads of levels, but it didn't happen without a degree of complicity from more responsible sections of society than football fans.

Although any rational discussion pales at my amazement of them holding actual Saudi flags. Mental.
 

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It will improve the city I’m sure, only the rich will afford it though…
True, I definitely expect it to benefit the middle-class, particularly housing.

The only reason I'm asked really is because I work in Leicester and the owners there recently announced a huge insfrastructure project to do up the area around the ground. It looks like a great thing for the city to be honest, which could really do with a lick of paint and attract some businesses to it, so maybe similar to the vibes in Newcastle.
 

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True, I definitely expect it to benefit the middle-class, particularly housing.

The only reason I'm asked really is because I work in Leicester and the owners there recently announced a huge insfrastructure project to do up the area around the ground. It looks like a great thing for the city to be honest, which could really do with a lick of paint and attract some businesses to it, so maybe similar to the vibes in Newcastle.
Yeh I’m be shocked if that didn’t happen. Newcastle actually already has a decent investment centre as an alternative northern city to London. Manchester has experienced significant infrastructure investment around the City stadium. That is all positive however there is very little consideration given to those people barely scraping by who will be forced out of their homes by these developments. It’s a tricky subject area.
 

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To be fair to RAWK, they’re making good points and giving respect to us as the fellow proper big club in the league. Rivals? Sure. But I think us and the scousers will find common ground against these nouveau rich wankers.
 

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Well my point is that for coming on 4 decades now both parties and the UK taxpayer have benefited directly from very lucrative and ethically dubious arms deals, which creates the environment where this deal took place. Personally I have a higher expectation from elected officials than idiots on the street. I'm not saying they are not wrong, on loads of levels, but it didn't happen without a degree of complicity from more responsible sections of society than football fans.

Although any rational discussion pales at my amazement of them holding actual Saudi flags. Mental.
Oh I agree mate this has only been allowed to happen because of the UK government's (current and previous) unsavoury relationship with SA. And yes a lot of British people enabled that as they were ignorant or turned a blind eye to that.

But that's probably a very interesting discussion for another thread.

This discussion though has spun out from someone taking exception to others laughing at Newcastle fans. But when they're waving Saudi flags, tying tea towels around their heads, writing open love letters welcoming the Saudi regime like giddy idiots and embarrassing themselves then I think they're fair game for a bit of mockery myself.
 

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I've read through a lot of these pages, and many saying they will push us out of top 4 soon...

But have those posters taken a quick look at the table and seen they are 19th right now, and are most likely ending up in a relegation scrap?

The Saudi's went into a Ferrari garage and bought a Ford painted in red :lol: I wouldn't be worried for many years about them disrupting the top.
 

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I've read through a lot of these pages, and many saying they will push us out of top 4 soon...

But have those posters taken a quick look at the table and seen they are 19th right now, and are most likely ending up in a relegation scrap?

The Saudi's went into a Ferrari garage and bought a Ford painted in red :lol: I wouldn't be worried for many years about them disrupting the top.
Maybe yes & maybe no but one thing is certain they are not ploughing money in to NUFC just to miss out on UCL football season after season & a top 4 place will probably be the absolute minimum they will demand, they will ultimately want to do what City have done in the 2010s & with UCL titles on top especially now that Barca & Real Madrid are not the force they once were as things stand.
 

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Why does everyone assume they'll dominate, when we at United have seen for 8 years that it's not just about lashing money?!
Unlike Chelsea or even City when they got taken over, they are pretty much starting from scratch. Will take 2-3 transfer windows to even get into Europe.

They won't dominate but they will be an attractive prospect for top managers. Bottomless pit to work from.
 

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Maybe yes & maybe no but one thing is certain they are not ploughing money in to NUFC just to miss out on UCL football season after season & a top 4 place will probably be the absolute minimum they will demand, they will ultimately want to do what City have done in the 2010s & with UCL titles on top especially now that Barca & Real Madrid are not the force they once were as things stand.
True, but at the same time they bought a club who was looking likely to stay in the prem that season and the next. They can't inject money day 1 to stop them from dropping.

It just would be hilarious that the richest club in the world could be in the 2nd tier!
 

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Newcastle has the most despicable ownership of any team of any sport in the world.

That's their 1st title.
 

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There're a lot of Newcastle threads on here now. I think they'll have a long wait before they even threaten top four.
 

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True, but at the same time they bought a club who was looking likely to stay in the prem that season and the next. They can't inject money day 1 to stop them from dropping.

It just would be hilarious that the richest club in the world could be in the 2nd tier!
They have the January window to make sure that doesn't happen.