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SuperiorXI said:
I beg to fecking differ after that mate :lol: I wouldn't like to eat some of those haymakers. Wilder looked fecked.
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I just think if he was a big hitter that really sat down on shots it's never going that far despite the impressive finish. If you think about somebody like Klitschko, Lewis, Wilder himself, a Tyson, Foreman, any big heavyweight hitter it ends a lot earlier. Wilder looked spent after 3 or 4 so to go that long at heavyweight is unusual. It was worse for Wilder taking a beat down like that than just getting starched. That's a career ender, potentially.

It's not a criticism because everything he does is superb it's just never been Fury's forte as he was a mover and he's only recently transferred to this aggressive style.
 

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I just think if he was a big hitter that really sat down on shots it's never going that far despite the impressive finish. If you think about somebody like Klitschko, Lewis, Wilder himself, a Tyson, Foreman, any big heavyweight hitter it ends a lot earlier. Wilder looked spent after 3 or 4 so to go that long at heavyweight is unusual. It was worse for Wilder taking a beat down like that than just getting starched. That's a career ender, potentially.

It's not a criticism because everything he does is superb it's just never been Fury's forte as he was a mover and he's only recently transferred to this aggressive style.
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Yeah I know what you mean. Wilder has a good chin to be fair to him, some of those shots would have put most HWs down.
 

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Exactly! His weight gain was a disaster and he reverted to type about 1 and a half rounds in. He didn’t show any improvement as a boxer and the fight should have been stopped long before it was. I’m not seeing where this praise is coming from. Fury doesn’t dominate any other top HW like this because Wilder is so technically poor.
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You're bias is showing and you're not being objective. Wilder quite clearly stuck to, and executed, the plan perfectly until he gassed; Fury is the best heavyweight on the planet and had to work out what was going on where other boxers mightn't have gotten the chance. Once Wilder was tired, he reverted to type, which is to be expected as he's then fighting on instinct, but you can't just throw out how he started the fight and how he was until the tank flagged.

The weight gain backfired, but the strategy he came in with was winning him rounds, initially. A fighter like Fury is going to work it out and he's a better fighter than Wilder, so it should always logically then only go one way (if Fury didn't have so much animosity and want to K.O. Wilder ASAP); there's more garnered about Wilder in this fight than any other he's had as a fighter.
 

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I woke up and missed half of the fight but did find it odd that the commentators we heaping praise on Wilder yet when they showed punches landed, Fury landed twice as many.

Of course it helps in one boxing match but being able to take so many punches and stay on your feet can't be a good thing.

Back to sleep now and hopefully the full fight is on BT Sports youtube when I'm up.
 

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cyberman said:
Exactly! His weight gain was a disaster and he reverted to type about 1 and a half rounds in. He didn’t show any improvement as a boxer and the fight should have been stopped long before it was. I’m not seeing where this praise is coming from. Fury doesn’t dominate any other top HW like this because Wilder is so technically poor.
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Ditto. Wilder getting praised for being beaten up again, by a weak puncher no less.
Absolutely terrible boxer.
He stayed in there because Fury doesn’t have a big punch, it’d have been lights out early doors against the likes of Wlad.
 

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What did Wilder say this time?
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Fury went over to his corner to show some sportsmanship and Wilder told him to go away. Left the ring shortly afterwards without an interview.


cyberman said:
Exactly! His weight gain was a disaster and he reverted to type about 1 and a half rounds in. He didn’t show any improvement as a boxer and the fight should have been stopped long before it was. I’m not seeing where this praise is coming from. Fury doesn’t dominate any other top HW like this because Wilder is so technically poor.
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Yep. His whole career is based on fighting tomato cans and using his devastating single punch KO power to make up for his deficiencies. I think he beats AJ though.
 

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Fury went over to his corner to show some sportsmanship and Wilder told him to go away. Left the ring shortly afterwards without an interview.




Yep. His whole career is based on fighting tomato cans and using his devastating single punch KO power to make up for his deficiencies. I think he beats AJ though.
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Went straight to hospital apparently. Which, to be fair, you can't really blame him for.
 

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it must suck never losing and then losing 3 times in a row.
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I think you're probably right. We have seen similar examples in combat sports. Ronda Rousey dealt poorly with her losses to Holm and Nunez. Foreman didn't exactly take the Ali loss well.

When you're that unstoppable, for that long, having your mystic extinguished by losing multiple times by knockout is a tough thing to come to grips with.
 

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Have to say I didn't really notice much improvement or gameplan about Wilder technically, I think he just fought a little better on the night. He managed to strike up a different determination and hurt Fury more which kept him in the fight. It was more like a last stand than refinement.

The American commentators were really talking it up just because he came out with a jab. But that's nothing new, he's tried to start off fights like that in the past but as soon as he's hurt and lets too many hayemakers go he tires and loses all form. It was the same old thing in that way.
 

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The fight should’ve been done after the 3rd but Fury got sloppy and let Wilder land a big shot. For the last five rounds Wilder’s face was treated like a fecking piñata. How he stayed on his feet is some kind of miracle. A cross between guts and Fury lacking power. But Wilder looked ragged as feck apart from Round 1. He gassed early and just looked to land one big swing. His danger is if he lands one, which he did. Yet despite all his much vaunted power, Fury got up off the canvas twice and dominated the rest of the fight. Wilder is a terrible boxer but a good brawler.
 

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saivet said:
I woke up and missed half of the fight but did find it odd that the commentators we heaping praise on Wilder yet when they showed punches landed, Fury landed twice as many.

Of course it helps in one boxing match but being able to take so many punches and stay on your feet can't be a good thing.

Back to sleep now and hopefully the full fight is on BT Sports youtube when I'm up.
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True Wilder was only going for 1-2’s anyway.
 

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Ladron de redcafe said:
I think you're probably right. We have seen similar examples in combat sports. Ronda Rousey dealt poorly with her losses to Holm and Nunez. Foreman didn't exactly take the Ali loss well.

When you're that unstoppable, for that long, having your mystic extinguished by losing multiple times by knockout is a tough thing to come to grips with.
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I used to box as a teenager, losing is the worst feeling and it made me quit the sport! Some take it better than others.
 

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The fight should’ve been done after the 3rd but Fury got sloppy and let Wilder land a big shot. For the last five rounds Wilder’s face was treated like a fecking piñata. How he stayed on his feet is some kind of miracle. A cross between guts and Fury lacking power. But Wilder looked ragged as feck apart from Round 1. He gassed early and just looked to land one big swing. His danger is if he lands one. He’s a terrible boxer.
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Aye, absolutely bang on.
 

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look at all the pricks who have never boxed, nevermind had a fight :lol:

Fury has proven himself, hands down, the best heavy weight
 

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Irrational. said:
Fury went over to his corner to show some sportsmanship and Wilder told him to go away. Left the ring shortly afterwards without an interview.




Yep. His whole career is based on fighting tomato cans and using his devastating single punch KO power to make up for his deficiencies. I think he beats AJ though.
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Is his power that devastating though. Landed big right hands on Fury in two fights and Fury got up both times.
 

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Fury just had Wilders number. Hearing a lot of criticism about Wilders weight, if he weighs in lighter he would have been thrown around, he weighs in heavier he gassed earlier. No positives for Deontay performance wise but showed great heart.

I thought it was a bad display by Fury's standards he admitted so himself, smothered his own work, abandoned the flicking jab until Sugar gave him a good shout, didn't use the angles to step back when close range to leverage his punches. Fight could have ended before the 6th for Fury if he had the same intensity as the second fight. But win is a win very well done can't see anyone in the HW division beating Tyson. He's a level above the competition.
 

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You're bias is showing and you're not being objective. Wilder quite clearly stuck to, and executed, the plan perfectly until he gassed; Fury is the best heavyweight on the planet and had to work out what was going on where other boxers mightn't have gotten the chance. Once Wilder was tired, he reverted to type, which is to be expected as he's then fighting on instinct, but you can't just throw out how he started the fight and how he was until the tank flagged.

The weight gain backfired, but the strategy he came in with was winning him rounds, initially. A fighter like Fury is going to work it out and he's a better fighter than Wilder, so it should always logically then only go one way (if Fury didn't have so much animosity and want to K.O. Wilder ASAP); there's more garnered about Wilder in this fight than any other he's had as a fighter.
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Why am I biased? I can’t stand Fury and his dickhead father
 

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I used to box as a teenager, losing is the worst feeling and it made me quit the sport! Some take it better than others.
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I'm sure it does. I'd imagine that for lots of competitive athletes, winning is what makes them persevere through the brutal demands of the sport (including the hits and damage they take).

I can understand things being less fun when a boxer isn't winning anymore.
 

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Mostly agree. But to my untrained eye, I think Wilder was flattering to deceive in round 1 and Fury landed the better punches.
 

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I seen wilder start with the body punches and wondered to myself how long it will be until he goes back to his one dimensional boxing style.

The moment he got hit in the face for the first time that totally went out the window and he went back to his old ways.

It's too late for wilder to change things up and he's a very limited boxer with one very dangerous right hand.

He was a punching bag for half of the fight I think at the end of the 6th or 7th he was sitting in his corner and he was totally gassed and I knew then he had no chance to win unless he landed a lucky right.

The weight gain seemed to go against him as well, also just a classless fighter. No respect or humility I wonder what excuses he has lined up now?

Fury great performance but got a bit sloppy to let wilder back into it, I think he was too desperate for the knock out to shut wilder up again.
 

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Is his power that devastating though. Landed big right hands on Fury in two fights and Fury got up both times.
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But that’s Fury we’re talking about though. He’s an absolute animal.

Wilder was being taken to school in a big way against King Kong Ortiz a few years ago until he pulled out that windmill shot from the gods and got the KO. If he didn’t have that power he would be absolutely irrelevant. Probably not even a C level fighter otherwise.
 

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Wilder was waffling on about his bench press before this fight. I took from that he was always going to weigh heavier and pretty much going for explosive power and it was going to be nothing to do with adding new wrinkles to his game tonight. To be fair it was a whisker away form working.
 

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Irrational. said:
This is a good summary. AJ will school him until he’s hit once by Wilder. Then it’s game over.
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Judging on these fights, and with AJ & Whyte’s power, Wilder is seeing stars before he gets that windmill anywhere. They would absolutely batter him.
Does he have a punchers chance against both? Obviously, but 9 times of 10 he’s back eating canvas early doors.
 

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Like AJ, Fury's definitely a wee bit chinny. If he catches a good one, he may go down.

But his defence is light years ahead of AJ's, as are his recovery skills and his nous in knowing how to use his height and weight to his advantage when tying up. Fury just has great survival instincts.
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Judging on these fights, and with AJ & Whyte’s power, Wilder is seeing stars before he gets that windmill anywhere. They would absolutely batter him.
Does he have a punchers chance against both? Obviously, but 9 times of 10 he’s back eating canvas early doors.
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Whyte I can agree with. I’m not sure about AJ though, he’s lost heart and has become far too cautious and gun-shy as evidenced by his last two bouts. He also gets caught and stunned far too easily.
 

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Fury was very sloppy, bit worried about that. If I'm Usyk I'm looking at that and thinking I'm two fights away from becoming the GOAT.
 

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AJ v Wilder is probably just a shoot out really?

AJ has better fundamentals but the defence is leaky, he's quite upright, methodical, predictable. That's not a positive as he's not going to take the shots well, that's a given.

But he probably hits a bit harder than Fury. I don't think his power is all it was cracked up to be when he came through the ranks, but I'd still say he's heavier handed. He definitely has the ability to deck Wilder too.

The bad thing for AJ is he's far more restrained now. Which may be even worse as he'll perceive Wilders power as the danger. I think the longer he's tentatively in front of Wilder the more dangerous and more likely it is he gets starched. Whereas he has the size and ability to back Wilder up and reduce the risk if he went back to his older performances. If he really used his jab and was assertive he could definitely win that fight but I don't know if he's still got that dog in him
 

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Irrational. said:
Whyte I can agree with. I’m not sure about AJ though, he’s lost heart and has become far too cautious and gun-shy as evidenced by his last two bouts. He also gets caught and stunned far too easily.
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We’ll see in AJ’s next bout for sure if he’s completely gun shy or badly advised. He has absolutely no choice but to let the guns go, and he knows it. If he doesn’t do it, yeah, safe to say he’s done at the very top.
 

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I don't care how good of a boxer you are. Getting in the ring with Deontay Wilder is like swimming with a shark, you never know when he's going to bite. Fury has fought with lightning three times and survived each time. A great trilogy that will stand the test of time.
 
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