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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He hits miles harder than Fury.
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I don't know, I thought that originally. He probably still has that capability. But now everybody is on the end of everything as he's so risk averse and I think they're seeing the punches. When he fought Whyte he was a completely different animal. He could punch short, he was willing to exchange to do damage, he had more variety.

I think if it's this AJ vs this Fury in power terms then it's not such a difference because it's almost roles reversed. If he starts to become the hungry challenger again that isn't scarred then I'm sure it's in his locker but it's hard to get that back for a fighter.
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He took a massive hit from Wlad.

Besides, judged on these three fights, he & Whyte make light work of Wilder.
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I really think there was a reason AJ didn't fancy Wilder, AJ has come unstuck by heavy punchers before like Ruiz.

Im a Massive AJ Fan, but tonight showed these two Fury and Wilder are very very hard men and take hits. Wilder was like a zombie like someone said above.

What a fight anyway...
 

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Abraxas said:
I don't know, I thought that originally. He probably still has that capability. But now everybody is on the end of everything as he's so risk averse and I think they're seeing the punches. When he fought Whyte he was a completely different animal. He could punch short, he was willing to exchange to do damage, he had more variety.

I think if it's this AJ vs this Fury in power terms then it's not such a difference because it's almost roles reversed. If he starts to become the hungry challenger again that isn't scarred then I'm sure it's in his locker but it's hard to get that back for a fighter.
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You don’t lose power cause you’re gun shy though, if he let’s them go at any point, he hits miles harder, that’s just how it is.

It’s rather amusing now hearing everyone talk about how dangerous Wilder is again with his one punch, but once again, he landed some of his best shots and they lacked this “legendary” knock out power.
 

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I'd be more interested in a losers fight between AJ and Wilder than a unification fight. Don't think there's anything Usyk can do to overcome the size difference.
 

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Fury went over to his corner to show some sportsmanship and Wilder told him to go away. Left the ring shortly afterwards without an interview.




Yep. His whole career is based on fighting tomato cans and using his devastating single punch KO power to make up for his deficiencies. I think he beats AJ though.
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Thanks. Ah, alright, a bit classless that. Sore loser.
 

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Love Fury, great performance

My worry is that he won’t be able to get motivated for his next fight
 

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You don’t lose power cause you’re gun shy though, if he let’s them go at any point, he hits miles harder, that’s just how it is.

It’s rather amusing now hearing everyone talk about how dangerous Wilder is again with his one punch, but once again, he landed some of his best shots and they lacked this “legendary” knock out power.
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Sure, but how many did he really let go against Usyk? How many did he really let go against Ruiz II? He didn't really deliver anything with maximum effect, or if he did it was so irregularly that his chances of that power becoming functional were small. The more accurate and better timing you have the more chance the power is usable but it's still partly a numbers game, if he's not throwing it then it isn't the significant factor it used to be.

My worry would be that he perceived Ruiz II as a dangerous fight for obvious reasons and then fought that way. He couldn't outbox Usyk and needed to walk through fire as his only chance but he didn't have it in him, even though it meant conceding his titles. What is he going to do in front of Wilder when he understands he's under serious threat?

He could do it, he's got the capability somewhere but at this point I wouldn't be at all confident.
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He hits miles harder than Fury.
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Fury hits hard, but not explosively hard, it's the constant accurate shots that exhaust his opponents. AJ hasn't been the same fighter since the fat Mexican finished him, but he was probably a top 3 power puncher in the HW division prior. AJ v Wilder is very much debatable, as 1 is a terrible boxer and the other is going to sleep if he's caught with that right hand. Fury v either of them only finishes 1 way as long as Fury prepares well and is in a good headspace.
 

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He could do it, he's got the capability somewhere but at this point I wouldn't be at all confident.
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As I posted earlier, AJ’s next fight tells us everything. Ruiz II made complete sense due to his granite chin. Usyk was either badly advised or proof that he’s no longer the same pre-Ruiz fighter.
This rematch will tell us everything, a gun shy Joshua now is a Joshua that’s finished at the very top.
 

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As I posted earlier, AJ’s next fight tells us everything. Ruiz II made complete sense due to his granite chin. Usyk was either badly advised or proof that he’s no longer the same pre-Ruiz fighter.
This rematch will tell us everything, a gun shy Joshua now is a Joshua that’s finished at the very top.
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True, but I think the decline in performance is visible in a few other fights.

Pulev was pretty tentative and I thought he was an ideal opponent with not much power or variety. The finish makes it look nice and ordinarily I wouldn't think anything of the performance except to say it was decent but within the wider context of these other fights it wasn't vintage either.

You can go before he even lost, Parker was a very dull affair with no risks taken.

That leaves Povetkin which was decent enough work. He got slightly taken by surprise by a good shot if I recall but fought well.

I would say the overall form is a little shaky but we'll see what transpires in this rematch.
 

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As predictable as expected. Can't believe anyone gave Wilder any bigger chance than landing a punch out of nothing, Fury is leagues above him. Wilder is such a technically average boxer, it's amazing how much a ridiculously powerful shot can carry a career.
 
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Wilder's not gonna fight again unless there's unreal money involved

Fury the best HW in the world by far, but we knew that. Almost lost this one, unfortunately only "almost" :(

AJ even fights him he needs to get him as riled up as Wilder did, Fury walking out to kill (like tonight) is the only chance AJ would have
 

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True, but I think the decline in performance is visible in a few other fights.

Pulev was pretty tentative and I thought he was an ideal opponent with not much power or variety. The finish makes it look nice and ordinarily I wouldn't think anything of the performance except to say it was decent but within the wider context of these other fights it wasn't vintage either.

You can go before he even lost, Parker was a very dull affair with no risks taken.

That leaves Povetkin which was decent enough work. He got slightly taken by surprise by a good shot if I recall but fought well.

I would say the overall form is a little shaky but we'll see what transpires in this rematch.
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I think that’s a fair assessment, starting with Parker I think he’s been advised to work on his jab and hone his ring skills, the first Ruiz fight no doubt cemented the importance of that and his team and AJ appear to have been working even harder on that since and have abandoned that which make him explosive.

As I say, he now knows there’s less than zero chance of out boxing Usyk, so this next fight with tell us everything we need to know about AJ.
 

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No respect for Wilder in any way shape or form. Even if he did make a fight of it this morning, I just can’t say anything pleasant towards him with how he conducts himself, no grace in defeat

Delighted he got KO’d, Delighted for Fury

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Fury outboxed and out fought Wilder good win for him. Wilder shown a lot of heart to stay in there so long I fear for his health though took a lot of punishment wouldn’t be surprised if he’s badly hurt or retired.

Some highlights for those of us that are poor :(

 

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TheLiverBird said:
No respect for Wilder in any way shape or form. Even if he did make a fight of it this morning, I just can’t say anything pleasant towards him with how he conducts himself, no grace in defeat

Delighted he got KO’d, Delighted for Fury

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Nonsense Fury been a total prick to him for a few years and shouted all sorts at the press conference, don’t blame him for not liking him they genuinely hate each other.
 

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Nonsense Fury been a total prick to him for a few years and shouted all sorts at the press conference, don’t blame him for not liking him they genuinely hate each other.
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I think if someone told me I cheated after I beat them fairly twice I’d be a total prick to them too.
 

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Fury's just too big. You can talk about technique and all that crap but the guys. 6'9 monster who probably came in tongiht close to 275 lbs.

How are you meant to beat that?
 

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Fury's just too big. You can talk about technique and all that crap but the guys. 6'9 monster who probably came in tongiht close to 275 lbs.

How are you meant to beat that?
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He has great stamina too and can box great, a bit of a freak in them regards.
 

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So why you upset he never ran to congratulate him then?
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It was Wilder who accused Fury of cheating. Despite it being Fury who was cheated by the judges in the first fight.

Fury has made Wilder filthy rich in the build up to these fights with his prefight antics, as technically Wilder isn't in his league yet the jibes have given people a reason to keep coming back.

Wilder the best heavyweight in my lifetime, I don't see where he goes from here, as I don't think anyone in the division can give him a decent fight.

If Joshua can can regain his belts (which I doubt), that would be a box office fight but on the night I think Fury stops him comfortably.
 

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What a fight. The greatest sport in the world bar none. I want to give Wilder credit for his effort but he’s such a scumbag and refused to shake Fury’s hand so feck him. I was very happy to see him get iced.
 

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It was Wilder who accused Fury of cheating. Despite it being Fury who was cheated by the judges in the first fight.

Fury has made Wilder filthy rich in the build up to these fights with his prefight antics, as technically Wilder isn't in his league yet the jibes have given people a reason to keep coming back.

Wilder the best heavyweight in my lifetime, I don't see where he goes from here, as I don't think anyone in the division can give him a decent fight.

If Joshua can can regain his belts (which I doubt), that would be a box office fight but on the night I think Fury stops him comfortably.
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Wilder was the world champion he give Fury the first fight.

Fury been talking all sorts about his wife and how he’s going to put him in the infirmary.
 
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Great fight, man. For a division that has been criticised a lot in recent years the last two fights really lived up to the billing
 

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Deery said:
So what point are you trying to make?
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That Fury has perfectly justifiable reasons for being a prick to Wilder. He’s beaten him fairly 3 times now. Been accused of cheating by him. Wilder said he wanted a body on his record before fighting Fury. Loads of shit. After the fight Fury went over to see Wilder and congratulate him and Wilder told him to feck off. He’s a moron but you do you.
 
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