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Did he use similar players in the Euros too?

Anyway, Enrique is the manager I've always reccomended for our future because his Barcelona was more robust with Rakitic and Suarez etc.
Yes he did use similar players in the Euros, a 18 year old youngster called Pedri who was brilliant. There's coaches out there who thrive on pressure and believe in their way of playing the game which inturn is reflected in those same coaches giving chances to young highly technical players which is very easy for them.

He's definitely a interesting prospect and is also a winner. I've also contributed to derailing the thread and will now move on from here.
 

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Luis Enrique starts 17 yo Gavi, brings on 18 yo Pino and 20 yo Bryan Gil and beats the champions of Europe. That is the difference.
yeh. Spain was very impressive against Italy. Dominated the game with those line of players. Big difference with Southgate's approach.
 
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yeh. Spain was very impressive against Italy. Dominated the game with those line of players. Big difference with Southgate's approach.
Spain absolutely dominated Italy (by having 75% possession) who had Verratti, Jorginho and Barella in midfield and Spain with Koke, Busquets and a 17 year old Gavi in midfield. And they did that because their coach (Enrique) demands his team to exert zonal and positional control which gives the likes of 17 year old Gavi the platform to thrive against the very best midfielders in the world. Spain did to Italy what Italy did to us on the ball, but much worse.
 

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Spain absolutely dominated Italy (by having 75% possession) who had Verratti, Jorginho and Barella in midfield and Spain with Koke, Busquets and a 17 year old Gavi in midfield. And they did that because their coach (Enrique) demands his team to exert zonal and positional control which gives the likes of 17 year old Gavi the platform to thrive against the very best midfielders in the world. Spain did to Italy what Italy did to us on the ball, but much worse.
I honestly thought at that time it was a suicidal tactic, a disaster waiting to happen. Italy was a very experience team and they purposely let Spain to have more ball, because Spain had no world class centerbacks. Thus it was a sucker punch waiting to happen.

But then as the game went on, it's obvious Spain just had total control, and Italy looked defensive just because they couldn't get a grip of the game. It was a very impressive display by Spain.
 

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Agreed entirely. Barca have the likes of Gavi, Pedri etc given a chance to shine at a young age.
There’s no pressure on Barca right now to win the league etc. No better time to blood some more youngsters
Fans and board would not allow ole the same leeway now; they expect trophies
 

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There’s no pressure on Barca right now to win the league etc. No better time to blood some more youngsters
Fans and board would not allow ole the same leeway now; they expect trophies
And I don't really see the difference in playing Pedri vs playing Greenwood last year. Now Enrique isn't really under pressure to win this Nations league is it? (What is it anyway) I doubt Italy care about it as much as the Euros they just won.

I like Enrique anyway, but I'm not sure we can say Ole hasn't wanted to play youngsters. He has played Greenwood, Brandon Williams, Tuenzebe, Elanga, Diallo, Henderson and Hannibal whenever he can.

I'm sure we all would love it if we could increase it - but at the same time we can't be begging for United to sign Sancho one moment, crying about Ronaldo joining City on Deadline day, making threads about how he should be starting every game of the season because SAF said it to some random phone and then also say that our manager should be winning a title in his 3rd full year at United whilst also complaining about his style of football too.

It's just too much. The youngsters can wait until he proves if he can or cannot win a title or something.
 

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Whilst I'm not sure if the link is true - since it just seems a newspaper - it does makes sense.

Now that Pogba has supposedly said he wants to stay- this has led to Ole wanting to sell Matic and VDB and go for Rice.

Pogba's insecurity was probably what was making him unsure about what type of CDM we go for. Now that Pogba's mind seems done - Ole's does too.
 

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Whilst I'm not sure if the link is true - since it just seems a newspaper - it does makes sense.

Now that Pogba has supposedly said he wants to stay- this has led to Ole wanting to sell Matic and VDB and go for Rice.

Pogba's insecurity was probably what was making him unsure about what type of CDM we go for. Now that Pogba's mind seems done - Ole's does too.
So Rice is gonna join us and allow Pogba to play in a two in midfield?
 

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Boubacar Kamara out of contract in 2022. Would be worth going for imo. Very talented dm, only 20.
 

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Yes he did use similar players in the Euros, a 18 year old youngster called Pedri who was brilliant. There's coaches out there who thrive on pressure and believe in their way of playing the game which inturn is reflected in those same coaches giving chances to young highly technical players which is very easy for them.

He's definitely a interesting prospect and is also a winner. I've also contributed to derailing the thread and will now move on from here.
yeh. Spain was very impressive against Italy. Dominated the game with those line of players. Big difference with Southgate's approach.
Spain absolutely dominated Italy (by having 75% possession) who had Verratti, Jorginho and Barella in midfield and Spain with Koke, Busquets and a 17 year old Gavi in midfield. And they did that because their coach (Enrique) demands his team to exert zonal and positional control which gives the likes of 17 year old Gavi the platform to thrive against the very best midfielders in the world. Spain did to Italy what Italy did to us on the ball, but much worse.
I honestly thought at that time it was a suicidal tactic, a disaster waiting to happen. Italy was a very experience team and they purposely let Spain to have more ball, because Spain had no world class centerbacks. Thus it was a sucker punch waiting to happen.

But then as the game went on, it's obvious Spain just had total control, and Italy looked defensive just because they couldn't get a grip of the game. It was a very impressive display by Spain.
Spain were already better in the Euros though. They had 65% possession to 35%, 16 attempts to 7 attempts, completed 832 passes to 319 and Spain had 6 corners to 1. They were unlucky
 

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Spain were already better in the Euros though. They had 65% possession to 35%, 16 attempts to 7 attempts, completed 832 passes to 319 and Spain had 6 corners to 1. They were unlucky
Agreed. Spain were better on both occassions and were unlucky to lose the game in the Euros. But on both occassions Spain's approach to the game was superior which allowed them to impose their superiority in possession which is a credit to their coach (Lucho). A coach who implements a strong positional and zonal game game which hasn't only helped the more experienced players but also youngsters like Pedri and Gavi due to the platform it provides them.

Italy hadn't lost a competitive game at home since 1999 and Lucho started a 17 year old kid in midfield who hasn't even completed a full game in his career. There was lots of discontent among the Spanish fans due to his team selection but it was justified. He's coach that's brave and has a distinct way of playing the game which has helped him to be successful and it's also benefiting young technical players who he will give a chance to because he's not afraid to to that.
 

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Spain were already better in the Euros though. They had 65% possession to 35%, 16 attempts to 7 attempts, completed 832 passes to 319 and Spain had 6 corners to 1. They were unlucky
That’s all well and good but it highlights Spain’s problem they lack a top striker. Feran Torres is there main scorer with 11 in 21 games. Spain play good football and control games that is no use if they can’t finish
 

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Rice struggling without another sitting midfielder next to him.
 

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Rice struggling without another sitting midfielder next to him.
This really frustrated me, because I have definitely seem him improve his overall game, but it was down right stupid how he was playing yesterday. He was meant to be anchoring the midfield and the amount of time he got ahead of the play, was mad. He needs to wise up when he's not got Phillips covering for him.
 
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This really frustrated me, because I have definitely seem him improve his overall hamet, but it was down right stupid how he was playing yesterday. He was meant to be anchoring the midfield and the amount of time he got ahead of the play, was mad. He needs to wise up when he's not got Phillips covering for him.
Has he ever played as DM in a 433 for club? While I do think it suite his game it is a very tactical role. Fair to expect him to need abit of time and coaching to adjust for it. Maybe just to get used to it; the way you play week in and week out could easily get a bit automated.
 

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Has he ever played as DM in a 433 for club? While I do think it suite his game it is a very tactical role. Fair to expect him to need abit of time and coaching to adjust for it. Maybe just to get used to it; the way you play week in and week out could easily get a bit automated.
I don't think so for a team trying to play more expansive, when I think of everyone who's partnered him, he's not had that real responsibility to anchor. Yeah, I wouldn't say he could never do it, just showed a lot of naivety yesterday which was disappointing.
 

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I don't think he has the intelligence to play as a sole DM. I dont think he has the ball playing ability that a team like United needs.

We need a player than can play DM and still pass between the lines, a younger Matic say.
 

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Where's all the guys saying he can hold a midfield by himself again? :lol:

Can't even hold the midfield against Hungary at Wembley. Whenever his team has the majority of possession he looks lost. He's a defensive player for a defensive team.

He's so overrated its ridiculous. People acting like he'd walk into our midfield and knit together Pogba and Fernandes by himself are out of their minds.
 

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Where's all the guys saying he can hold a midfield by himself again? :lol:

Can't even hold the midfield against Hungary at Wembley. Whenever his team has the majority of possession he looks lost. He's a defensive player for a defensive team.

He's so overrated its ridiculous. People acting like he'd walk into our midfield and knit together Pogba and Fernandes by himself are out of their minds.
It’s ridiculous to even expect this to be honest, Rice addition not withstanding. We tried 4-3-3 wtih Pogba, Fernandes and McTominay in DM against Villareal at home and the team looked utterly lost. It’s an issue of both coaching and personnel. And when I say personnel I don’t mean just McTominay.

But allegedly if you just put in Rice instead of McTominay that isn’t just just an incremental upgrade in that position which will still result in an incohesive team unless the other issues are addressed, but a total transformation. As if Rice is the final magic ingredient in some legendary recipe and the team will go up multiple levels with his addition.

It’s detachment from reality.
 
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I didn't watch the match but

Rice Mount and Foden miss something that

Rice, Bellingham and Foden have.

Those 3 are more reminiscent to what I want to see at United.

Mount and foden lack things for Rice to be the only CDM.
 

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I didn't watch the match but

Rice Mount and Foden miss something that

Rice, Bellingham and Foden have.

Those 3 are more reminiscent to what I want to see at United.

Mount and foden lack things for Rice to be the only CDM.
Keep making excuses for him. It’s everyone’s fault but Rice. He’s just not good enough, get over it.
 

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I didn't watch the match but

Rice Mount and Foden miss something that

Rice, Bellingham and Foden have.

Those 3 are more reminiscent to what I want to see at United.

Mount and foden lack things for Rice to be the only CDM.
If you're playing Rice and Bellingham, you're not longer playing a CDM. You're going back the "pivot" with two in midfield, both doing a lot of defensive cover. So does go back to my point I am worried about with Rice, is that we would still need to buy some one to play next to him.
 

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If you're playing Rice and Bellingham, you're not longer playing a CDM. You're going back the "pivot" with two in midfield, both doing a lot of defensive cover. So does go back to my point I am worried about with Rice, is that we would still need to buy some one to play next to him.
I hate to break it to you, we need 2 new midfielders no matter what
 

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People acting like he'd walk into our midfield and knit together Pogba and Fernandes by himself are out of their minds.
Yes, those two percent of the people who want him is as dilluded as those who think he will look lost for a team who has the ball alot.

Rice will not make us able to play Bruno and Pogba in a 433. But neither would Rodri, Fabinho or Casemiro. Would all of them be great players for us? Definitly.
 

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Watched him vs Everton and was very good again.

People who didn't watch the match will come complain how I am overrating him when I actually watch him to see why others do not rate him - especially when playing for West Ham.

One thing I did notice is that he sometimes looks a bit out of breath and a bit at a lack of pace at times but for me his passing is actually quite good (not Carrick good but he isn't the England version of Rice at all). Created chances for Antonio today on the counter. Constantly blocks shots and intercepts.

Whilst someone can be our replacement for Fred - I do think this is the guy for our replacement for Matic, the way they drop in to the CB'S to create a back 3 and bring the ball out from the back at times is almost identical and it's good to see that from a 22 year old than whatever age Matic is.
 

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Declan Rice has on top of being a good footballer one very important thing that we are sadly lacking and that is he is a true leader in midfield...he is the closest player to a young Roy Keane I´ve seen and hopefully we do go all in for him
 

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Really impressed with his defensive positioning and ability to read danger. Seems to rarely play the ball between the lines though.
 

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The new Mark Noble, will go down as a West Ham legend.
 

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Looked absolutely class today, and was still sprinting around post 90th minute.

Would be absolutely mint here.
 

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Looked absolutely class today, and was still sprinting around post 90th minute.

Would be absolutely mint here.
He is quite good on the counter and his ability to make a pass is better than I thought it would be after watching his England Version.

Guy plays like a leader and bosses that midfield for West Ham.
 
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