Ole will need 30 more years to sort out his game plan, be patient.
The manager has lost the players
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Good. Leave em in Leicester and make them walk home.
Agreed on all points
Every fecking game they turn up like they've just been woken up and dragged out of bed unexpectedly.
I lose my adrenaline within 3 minutes of watching this lot.
Diabolical attitude.
I don't think it's a case of "manager losing the players or the dressing room". He's just not good enough that's all. And it's been apparent for quite some time which makes the matters worse.
A lot of something needs to change, we don't know how to fix things, we've been like this for too long.
This 100%. I just dont think he commands respect the way ferguson could. Ferguson once said he was really impressed with how Marcello Lippi conducted himself. How when he spoke, people around would listen. I dont think Ole commands the same respect.
Not before top 4 is gone. I think he'll still be here next season.
Its not about Ole. The question of players putting in an effort is completely outside the question of who manages the club.
The players play the match. Not the coaching staff. Who sits in the dugout is irrelevant. The idea that fans find excuses for players to just not put a shift in makes my blood boil.
He is right. It's an honest appraisal.
Think we have an overrated squad, and a massively unqualified coach at the helm. It's a recipe for disaster, and Ole needs to go. Can't take anymore of this cheerful nonsense and speil about how all these failures are down to "learning" and "part of the process".
It's infuriating.
It's infuriating.
We are dealing with superstars. Paul Pogba for christs sake wants a new contract worth 400k a week. You need a manager to control them, if not tame them. Ole is too nice IMO. The players dont respect him.
Bro, what do we need to change!? You. Are. The manager!
Oh, wasn't even thinking about what Ole said, which is similar to always. But what Pogba said was hardly subtle. Pretty much confessing to having problems and we have no leadership addressing those problems.
Absolutely agreed.
One of the biggest point in Ole's tenue was his players always were fully behind him. Until this season when we signed Ronaldo back.
I said in another thread that he should man up and bench Ronaldo, play Cavani. Do the right things to get his players back on his side, show them at least he has the balls. No one is bigger than the team and everyone must work their ass off for others. Then maybe maybe he'd save himself. He won't survive next year anyway if things continue this way.
You don't have to justify your OP, millions of people have lost faith in Ole months ago.
I obviously love Ole (as a player and as a person), what he has done for Utd so far as a manager too, we are far more the team I want us to be than we have been at any other time since SAF left and in thruth that last few years under SAF were not good times generally (if you are old enough like me to remember the best SAF sides).... however I do believe that Ole is limited, maybe he would suit us better as DOF, certainly the squad he has assembled feels very Utd.... think we have reached a cross roads the board may not sack Ole unless things go horribly wrong, but I can no longer feel the positivity.
Its hilarious that he's the one talking about stupid mistakes and immature play.
Given our very tough fixture over coming months, maybe that will speed up his resignation.
Three and half seasons and we don't know what the problem is. Seems like something you'd need a manager for.
Agree. His lack of edge is a problem.
Seems like the players like him, but he's not the type who can keep them on their toes.
When we get humped, at home, to Liverpool, with salah scoring a hattrick he’ll have to go.
Ronaldo didn’t come here to waste the last few years of his career. His opinion will hold a lot of sway.
We have a fantastic squad but a sub par manager.
I’m not even angry any more, it’s inevitable so may as well rip the band aid off now.
Chelsea would have fired him way before this.
Overall he’s done well but clearly incapable of taking the team he’s assembled to where it should be.
Ronaldo didn’t come here to waste the last few years of his career. His opinion will hold a lot of sway.
We have a fantastic squad but a sub par manager.
I’m not even angry any more, it’s inevitable so may as well rip the band aid off now.
Chelsea would have fired him way before this.
Overall he’s done well but clearly incapable of taking the team he’s assembled to where it should be.
Yeh surely he does contribute his part to our mistakes/immature play, but in fact the whole team does plays a part too, so in the end it has to be coaching problems.
Yep! But he's right in his assessment. I think we are all beginning to come around to realising Ole has taken his management with United as far as he can but he has no higher few gears. I had my official Ole out moment after Young Boys. It was just so evident to me that Ole literally crumbles once something doesn't go according to his plans. A man sent off and we absolutely fell apart. You could see in games after that that the team just weren't at the races and today is yet another example.Jeez the mods are even starting threads like this
Ole should have replaced Phelan and most of the trainers under him. Maybe that would have solved something, but either way, here we are. Let’s see if our board can do what needs to be done. It’s perfect timing to get a new manager and team in now. But can we get a good long term manager at this point?
it seemed that way. The decision to start maguire never helped, total backfire
Feeling really sad. I mean I adore Ole, I worship him as a striker. Just so painful to see what nothing manager he turned out to be. I genuinely had high hope when he appointed as a permanent.
Every club would sack a coach alone for the reason that he says "We need to fix our problems" since 2 years and NOTHING HAS BEEN FIXED/CHANGED!!!!
If we beat Atlanta and Liverpool, all will be rosey in terms of squad unity and faith in the manager. It won’t make Ole a better manager, that’s a different issue. Thread says he’s lost the players; I’m saying it could be true or on the edge of being true but wins will make it less true (or less likely to be true).
I’m not saying wins will solve all the problems. But they will solve our biggest problem i.e. that we’re not winning.
Does anyone know what level of success the club expect from Ole this season? Challenging for the title, at least CL QF and perhaps a domestic cup? At the start of the season I remember Ole saying a title challenge, if so I hope the club very quickly get real and take action.
Well it’s not everyone who feels like him. They just hate everything about Ole and don’t rate anything he has done.
@golden_blunder got this right imo. It’s time to move on. This group of players need something else to get to the next level.
Agree the players look completely off the ball for vast periods of the game and in others as well. Yet look completely different when coached at international level. That proves 2 things. The coaching is hit and the players have given up as they know they are gonna win feck all this early in the season.
He just left out the word 'manager' at the end.
Being bad.
Many players are exposed or not used fully, Pogba is one of the them but it also applies to Bruno, last season we had that issue with Maguire until something was changed. Strangely enough it seems to be true every seasons. One thing that I suspect is that the coaching staff is tactically knowledgeable but our players are an afterthought, they don't initially tailor the organization to our player's qualities and flaws and we don't play as a team.
Well at least this was attacking football and Ronaldo would have scored 6-7 goals against Fulham with so many crosses in the box.
We don't create enough chances.
I will be honest I don't understand the context of the first sentence, sorry.
And I agree with you, while I truly believe that Ole did a good job, I also think that it was done this summer. If he is sacked it will be perceived as a failure instead of a job well done and the beginning of a new chapter with a more suitable coaching staff.
sick and tired of seeing Solskjaer smiling in interviews after bad results. I know he has a way about him but show some fury mate. show the fans you absolutely will not stand for terrible performances like this. its just awful
I think we are a month of bad results away from the action of sacking him. And even then, availability of alternatives will come into it, I should think.
It’s been shambolic since we beat Leeds and I don’t think the board will let it continue much longer but, as I keep saying, wins will change that vibe.
Possibly wins will paper over the cracks, as is often argued. I can’t really defend Ole at this point; wins and points over a long period is what he needs (and has always needed) and the trend over the last 15 games (or so) is not good at all. The players must be having some doubts.
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