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I've been Ole in but have to admit it's waning fast and I'm hanging on by a cnut hair. My concern if we sacked him now is who the feck is going to take over? Conte is not right for United. Maybe Zidane for caretaker to stabilize moral and get something out of this season but would he even want to come to England? Feel like he's going to take over France before the WC.

Our problems are so deep it's beyond Ole and this coaching staff to fix. Pogba is a square peg in a round hole. Should never have started along side Matic in a MF two. Maguire was never fit for this. Stupid decision to play him after only having a day or two on the grass as Ole put it. Looked like he was smoking grass today.

Love Ole and wanted him to succeed but can't see it with the coaching staff. They just don't appear to have a clue. Has to be why we're seeing Rene might come back in the papers.
We made some serious signings this summer and should be much further ahead than we are. It's time to make a change.
 

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He would have been the best Director of Football we could have wished for
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Disagree. Except Bruno, his signings haven’t been great. Ronaldo and Varane were obvious, every manager would have made those. Maguire was overpriced for roughly 40m, AVB is garbage, Sancho has been crap so far, James was crap, Donny never plays and he spent 50 millions in a couple of kids who never play. Cavani was decent in a free though.

Honestly, it is very hard to not significantly improve the squad after you spend north of 400m within 24 months. Especially if the previous two managers heavily spent money.
 

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peridigm said:
I've been Ole in but have to admit it's waning fast and I'm hanging on by a cnut hair. My concern if we sacked him now is who the feck is going to take over? Conte is not right for United. Maybe Zidane for caretaker to stabilize moral and get something out of this season but would he even want to come to England? Feel like he's going to take over France before the WC.

Our problems are so deep it's beyond Ole and this coaching staff to fix. Pogba is a square peg in a round hole. Should never have started along side Matic in a MF two. Maguire was never fit for this. Stupid decision to play him after only having a day or two on the grass as Ole put it. Looked like he was smoking grass today.

Love Ole and wanted him to succeed but can't see it with the coaching staff. They just don't appear to have a clue. Has to be why we're seeing Rene might come back in the papers.
We made some serious signings this summer and should be much further ahead than we are. It's time to make a change.
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How would he take France before the WC, Deschamps isn't going to be sacked and it's not even sure that he leaves after the WC?
 

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The worst thing is, I don't think he's lost the players. I think they pity him and his lack of managerial prowess, they know they have the power and play along. We have the best squad in the league and we are worse to watch than Norwich.
 

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May be players were too comfortable under ole in my opinion. He is nice man and didn't want to throw players under bus.

Players didn't give up but ole himself gave up with magnitude of the job just crushing him day by day it seems. Need to give something in those words from ole says it all.
 

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He would have been the best Director of Football we could have wished for
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Hundreds, if not thousands, of better options.

At Ole's discretion we just gave a new contract to Mata, offered a new extension to Lingard, and refused Martial and VdB the opportunities to leave on loan.

Four players he doesn't trust at all. Four players who will barely scrape 30 minutes of football between them in the next 8 league fixtures. We couldn't sign a new midfielder or right back in the summer because our squad was at the 25 player limit because of this idiocy.


The guy is clueless and would be just as big a disaster as a DoF than he is as a manager.
 

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I take no pleasure in doing so. Today was my moment to think he can’t possibly get the players onboard now
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The aquisition on Ronaldo and Varane could work aga
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You could tell just by watching them today

the result will just reinforce that
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It's going to get so much worse, I didn't feel we were as bad today as we can be in our Ole behind the wheel slumps.
 

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One genuine question who in world football would take this group of players (as they stand) and have them challenging for the title?
 

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I don't think Ole could ever lose the players in the way some managers do.
He's too nicey in general and doesn't ever dig them out in public.
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He is nice but these top level athletes are bred to be winners aren't they. I think they know they aren't going to win with him, just an opinion.
 

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It's important he goes and soon. He did an excellent job steadying the ship and getting the right atmosphere back in the club, don't let him hang on too long and undo it all. Once the players lose faith it's too late.
 

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You could tell just by watching them today

the result will just reinforce that
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If he can't get a tune out of this squad something is definitely wrong. Just came back from the game and the generally supportive fans seem to be losing patience.
 

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Are you having a laugh at a very simple fact? There are never any excuses for not putting in your best effort
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So who should be vetting potential signings to ensure they have the right attitude? Because some of today’s slackers were signed by Ole.
 

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I think that biased guy, Joe on Stretford Paddock was trying to cover Ole again, by pointing to a lack of effort and individual mistakes.
 

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I've never thought he was capable of taking us back to the top but he's steadied the ship, brought in some quality players and unlike our previous 2 managers he isn't an obnoxious prick, but it's been obvious for a while that he's out of his depth and now we've added players used to competing for major trophies under elite managers and they'll recognize he's not up to it and that will filter through the team.
 

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If he can't get a tune out of this squad something is definitely wrong. Just came back from the game and the generally supportive fans seem to be losing patience.
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Something is definitely wrong. The wrong positions were recruited in the summer. Half the team is injured or out of form. Ole and his boys analysed what was wrong and then went ahead and picked an unbalanced team.

I am generally very supportive of Ole and I am now losing patience but worse still I am losing faith.
 

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BenitoSTARR said:
One genuine question who in world football would take this group of players (as they stand) and have them challenging for the title?
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I see you argue this widely. Let me ask you, did you see a marked difference in the performances of the (same) team when Ole took over from Mourinho?
 

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golden_blunder said:
You could tell just by watching them today

the result will just reinforce that
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Honestly I felt this way against Villa, and that Bruno penalty miss was very uncharacteristic of him, not the miss but they way he struck the ball. It was very odd, almost as if he wanted to miss.

I'm probably way off, but I've had the sense that these players are done with Solskjaer since that loss. Ronaldo walking off against Everton with Pogba in tow just reinforced that for me. I think Ronaldo will be very influencial if anything of the sort happens. He won't be afraid to express his views to his teammates, he's been there before with Mourinho and Benitez at Real
 

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Something is definitely wrong. The wrong positions were recruited in the summer. Half the team is injured or out of form. Ole and his boys analysed what was wrong and then went ahead and picked an unbalanced team.

I am generally very supportive of Ole and I am now losing patience but worse still I am losing faith.
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Your really think that with an equal squad of players he is going to win the league against Pep, Klopp and Tuchel? Now add to this mix, Newcastle who is going to be buying top class players and a top class manager.
 

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Ole out. Conte in. Ronaldo not got many years left and we need success now. In couple years can look to replace conte because be other managers on market and unlikely conte be long term.
 

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DreadnoughtRS88 said:
The worst thing is, I don't think he's lost the players. I think they pity him and his lack of managerial prowess, they know they have the power and play along. We have the best squad in the league and we are worse to watch than Norwich.
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Best squad in the league

Delusional statement
 

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Your really think that with an equal squad of players he is going to win the league against Pep, Klopp and Tuchel? Now add to this mix, Newcastle who is going to be buying top class players and a top class manager.
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Don’t ask me. I just said I’m losing faith.

But while you’re at it why don’t you ask yourself how we finished above Liverpool
and Chelsea last year. I’ve no idea how, but it happened.
 

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I see you argue this widely. Let me ask you, did you see a marked difference in the performances of the (same) team when Ole took over from Mourinho?
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I think it’s a relevant point. People reacting by demanding change don’t analyse what that change could bring enough.

Yes we saw a person who understands the club take over and the whole place has a lift. We saw a manger take over and give confidence to players who had none. Who addressed key areas in the transfer market and gave us memorable matches along the way.

I know you’re suggesting a new manager comes in and gives a boost but we don’t need a short term boost we need a long term strategy. Getting rid of Ole would be reactionary at this stage in the season as there is no obvious better manager around for this current position. For the record I’ve always said I feel Ole will make way for another manager who will then go onto be successful at some point. I don’t think it’s now.
 

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Can only agree. Don't think they've ever had faith in him. They'd happily take losses in order to speed up his sacking.
 

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OrcaFat said:
Don’t ask me. I just said I’m losing faith.

But while you’re at it why don’t you ask yourself how we finished above Liverpool
and Chelsea last year. I’ve no idea how, but it happened.
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It’s pretty clear how that happened tbf.
 

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Ronaldo as player manager…just imagine that!
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|I am tending to believee his arrival disturbed the flow and Pushed Ole under pressure

People ssy many things about Ole now but I always remember himm who stabilized the club when we were really dire. He brought in some good players in the process

This year main issue is he is finding it hard to keep every one happy and on top of that McFred is not really functional too. I am sure he is wishing in his head he got a DM than |Ronaldo now
 

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|I am tending to believee his arrival disturbed the flow and Pushed Ole under pressure

People ssy many things about Ole now but I always remember himm who stabilized the club when we were really dire. He brought in some good players in the process

This year main issue is he is finding it hard to keep every one happy and on top of that McFred is not really functional too. I am sure he is wishing in his head he got a DM than |Ronaldo now
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I’m sure in private he maybe is thinking that too.

Ronaldo is a world class player. Stylistically he doesn’t press. That puts pressure elsewhere in our system which I don’t think was set up for a non pressing forward. Hence Cavani last year.
 

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I think it’s a relevant point. People reacting by demanding change don’t analyse what that change could bring enough.

Yes we saw a person who understands the club take over and the whole place has a lift. We saw a manger take over and give confidence to players who had none. Who addressed key areas in the transfer market and gave us memorable matches along the way.

I know you’re suggesting a new manager comes in and gives a boost but we don’t need a short term boost we need a long term strategy. Getting rid of Ole would be reactionary at this stage in the season as there is no obvious better manager around for this current position. For the record I’ve always said I feel Ole will make way for another manager who will then go onto be successful at some point. I don’t think it’s now.
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Fair enough. I agree on a long-term strategy. I wonder what the long-term strategy is under Ole, and I'm not being coy, when it comes to how the team plays?

I would prefer an interim manager now and making sure we find a suitable manager for next season as soon as possible (so they can liaise early with Murtough, Fletcher, et al). I just don't think it's to the team's benefit to have this season unravel further. It's a young team, confidence is more fragile without experience, and the good work Ole has done in terms of the atmosphere could quite easily disintegrate if it continues much longer. Think we differ just on our expectations. I don't think Ole will improve it enough from now on.
 

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The problem with replacing Ole is going to be the timing of Woodward's replacement.

Woodward can't really impose his replacement on the new guy at this stage and the new guy will want to make his mark
 

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Judging from Pogba's post match comments i actually think he has. I thought they were clearly aimed at the manager.
 

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Fair enough. I agree on a long-term strategy. I wonder what the long-term strategy is under Ole, and I'm not being coy, when it comes to how the team plays?

I would prefer an interim manager now and making sure we find a suitable manager for next season as soon as possible (so they can liaise early with Murtough, Fletcher, et al). I just don't think it's to the team's benefit to have this season unravel further. It's a young team, confidence is more fragile without experience, and the good work Ole has done in terms of the atmosphere could quite easily disintegrate if it continues much longer. Think we differ just on our expectations. I don't think Ole will improve it enough from now on.
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Thanks for being reasonable when faced with a different opinion by the way.

I believed the strategy has been become solid to beat and counter and then add the necessary layers to play higher tempo football. Which I think we were on track for until Ronaldo.

Now I believe Ronaldo is a world class player but I also feel he’s presenting the team with a similar identity crisis to the one Juventus suffered. We have to build around him which means we need energy from elsewhere. I think having a forward that does not press is exposing our weak CM more than we’ve seen with Cavani last season. I think Ole has spotted this issue. I have no idea how he fixes it without using McFred whenever Ronaldo plays. But that means always leaving out one of Sancho/Rashford/Greenwood/Pogba.

That is what I think is a major and new squad issue.

I would also hate for the team to unravel further I just don’t feel it will. I believe we have a good enough management to resolve the issues.

I would say though that if we do lose the next 2/3 games the I agree his position becomes harder to defend as I am expecting as manger him to make decisions to improve the current CM weakness or at least mask it better than the last few games have shown.

I expect us to get top 4 (I want us to win leagues as much as anyone else for what it’s worth) and I believe Ole is capable of working with these players to achieve that.

Eventually I think he’ll need replacing. I guess we just disagree on timescales perhaps?
 

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|I am tending to believee his arrival disturbed the flow and Pushed Ole under pressure

People ssy many things about Ole now but I always remember himm who stabilized the club when we were really dire. He brought in some good players in the process

This year main issue is he is finding it hard to keep every one happy and on top of that McFred is not really functional too. I am sure he is wishing in his head he got a DM than |Ronaldo now
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Someone has said that we have the same record now as in that previous dire situation.
Im not sure it wouldn't be better to have a mean but competent manager vs a nice but incompetent manager in this situation. But people appear to disagree.
It also seems that many of our players are happy with the position that Utd is in, winning things isn't a driving need for them. So I agree that having players who are used to winning in the team* will shake things up.
*Pogba wins with France. Utd pays the bills, win or lose.
 

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I dont think he's lost the players, not really. I think he doesn't know how to make it work and everything is so disjointed. Which doesn't work against good teams. There's a mentality shift in our squad and it's much more annoying for them when we struggle in games after all the signings and so more mistakes happen. Before their mentality was we were a team in transition. Now they feel like they should be playing better, and I don't think they're giving up on Ole but they are definitely realizing it's not working. They are working hard, but we just suck as Ole's methods aren't working.
 
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