Signs of trouble in the Ole’s cult club.
Why so many knee-jerk reactions and negativity 7 games in?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Oh please. United's squad isn't that bad as you make it look. What CB situation? Maguire, Varane, Lindelöf is absolutely quality. DM is a problem, yes, but nothing that could be fixed by a different setup.
The way I see it, United under Ole is now at a similar point like Bayern was under Kovac - quality squad, but so badly coached and lost faith that no one was able to still see that, not even Kovac himself. Sacked Kovac, promoted Flick, won 7 titles in the next 18 months.
Sack Ole, find your Flick and f*ing win something, it is about time and it is still possible this season, but not if United keep waiting for a miracle that won't happen.
Ok how about this. We won 5 PL's out of his last 8 and reached 3 CL finals in that time. We literally had far more success with SAF in the last year's at the club than any other spell of his at the club.
Your argument is so dumb it's beyond belief. SAF lasted so long because he was the ultimate manager at adapting to the times and changing his style of play over and over again to stay relevant. It's so fecking insulting, you should honestly be embarrassed to even make a statement like that.
The title of this thread should be updated with each additional dire performance.
That had to do with the fact the squad was deteriorating in quality year after year. Shit players mixed with mediocre talents and old players playing the last years of their career.
Nothing to do with SAF's tactics. He was actually covering a lot of problems with his genius abilities. Most of the players were showed up for their shit quality once Moyes got the job.
1 point from 9 in last 3 league games.. Liverpool and Man City to come.
who is optimistic Given the state of our performances in every game so far this season.
who is optimistic Given the state of our performances in every game so far this season.
It was both.
SAF adapted to hard challenges a lot of time. He adapted to Mourinho coming to the league. He adapted to City rising up as a big force. I see no reason why he wouldn't have adapted to Klopp and Pep coming to the league. He would have needed 2 seasons or so as usual before returning to win the league.
He was by far the most adaptable manager of his generation.
I honestly think you probably didn't watch the SAF years if that's your opinion. Either that or you're an.. well.. you know.
Only of his generation? I doubt that, he might be the most adaptable ever.
The fact that you are decrying the negative feedback across every single thread that was added to today and garnered no response, should show you that, even if you weren’t before, you are most definitely on the wrong side of the argument now.
Really believing that Ole is the man now is delusional. It’s been 3 years. The proof he isn’t the man is on show week in, week out. He has spent a massive amount of money and we still get outplayed in most games, win, lose or draw.
It can’t be knee-jerk three years in and that performance today deserves every single thread and post. It was genuinely wretched and it’s far, far away from being the first one like it.
No one wants another wasted season, and we are well on our way after only 11 games. It’s time to wake up.
This thread is a case study in self-delusion, I'm afraid. Shame we have to be so bad for people to wake up and smell the coffee.
Unitedsofackingbad amirite?
You think I'm pro Ole? Go check my posts dude. Just trying to have some fun in what is a miserable place and situation we in.It's definitely not knee-jerk, its been a long time coming.
Oh right! I thought the counting of the negative threads was your intense indictment of the judgement of Ole
It's definitely not knee-jerk, its been a long time coming.
I think today’s result broke me!
Why idd
Leicester have been shite this season.
It's actually shocking how many people look down on how good a manager SAF was! All because the new shiny managers are here and doing well does not mean anything. He is the greatest manager the league has ever seen and I think he would win titles with the squad Ole has built no problem
I did watch him, and by the end we were in trouble. We started to play more and more route 1 football.
We won the fecking league five times in seven years despite spending way less than our rivals! What the actual feck are you on about?
I wouldn’t say we are that good. Our CM is seriously lacking but still I would expect us to be a lot better. The missing piece is now a decent manager. In fact it always has been but we keep hiring nobodies and past it managers. We need a manager we modern managing methods. As a United all I want to see is high press, fast football which is what all the top clubs have been doing for the last 10 years. We have been no where near doing that.
Suspect this thread will be bumped ad nauseam this season...
Do you mean a Decent Manager?
The last few years were ugly but SAF knew he didn't need to do much more to win the league. Look what happened when he did. When Wenger's invincibles came, When Jose's Chelsea raised the bar, when City challenged us. If you can't give him the benefit of the doubt on the basis of his track record of doing just that then I don't know.
When the team play badly every game, how can fans reactions be classed as knee jerk
Brentford & Brighton are better teams and more entertaining than we are game after game.
We have some of the best players in the world and Fred. We should be reacting this way, as nothing is changing
Brentford & Brighton are better teams and more entertaining than we are game after game.
We have some of the best players in the world and Fred. We should be reacting this way, as nothing is changing
Scroll back to the final month of last season and look at our results. Then look at all our results for the season so far.
This........is what you get
| PLD | W | D | L |
| 15 | 6 | 2 | 7 |
"Only 1 more game lads".. soon "Only 15 games into the season lads". Ole in!
Ole has literally asked what the team needs after 3 seasons of being in charge with all the backing that he got.
Fans at this point have every right to be negative about where this club is headed.
Fans at this point have every right to be negative about where this club is headed.
This guy gets it
We have been very poor under Ole yet it is still our squad who is the main problem… the Ole fanbois really need to wake up it is getting extreme
We cannot keep a clean sheet even with Maguire and Varane fit, with the attackers we have at our disposal we should be hammering teams but we have no cohesion up front, he has done a good job to assemble what we now have but it is clear he is not capable of making it all work, the performance against villareal was the end of it for me and we won the match, I did'nt even flinch when Ronnie scored after watching the performance that just unfolded before the goal, it was the most disturbing performance I have seen since he was appointed, I knew the goal meant nothing in the scheme of things and so results and performances have unfolded like they have afterwards, we strengthened significantly in the Summer but we have gone backwards, hope the club will be proactive, they need to break from this overly loyal stance they have with managers, it is clear to anybody with any semi level of experience in football this has run it's course, as I said in other threads it has not been a bad tenure, he has undone lots of crap from previous managers and built a very good foundation, he just needs to hand over the baton.
And the main reason why SAF had to go route 1 is now the bleedin coach at United. yes I agree SAF should have bought better midfield players. But we won by 11 points.
This.
We pretty much have Mazepin as main driver for a Redbull or Merc, at best an Albon or Perez. It's time to upgrade to a decent coach.
It's becoming obvious that Ole is out of his depth. He has built a great squad and brought a good vibe to the club but he doesn't have the tactical know how to manage at the absolute top level of football with top players. I really wanted him to do well, I like him but it's time for a change.
..massive spanner. I'll say it for you.
As others said, he overcame Arsenal, Chelsea and City. Sure, our football wasn't particular cultured towards the end but had he been given the what £1billion we spent since he's retired and we would be talking about another 3-4 more league titles at the very least on top of other cup competitions.
Becoming obvious? It's obvious from day one he's out of his depth. The facts and his resume all show he's a mediocre manager. He's a guy that *nobody* wants as their choice. But the majority of the fans really bought into his bs that the United way alone will carry us to success (hopefully), which is why they were so ecstatic when Phelan was brought back. Well hope is not a strategy and lack of talent will always be found out.
The term 'knee-jerk' needs to be banned until Ole is replaced. I'm glad to be seeing more posters agreeing that it's no longer a 'knee-jerk' situation. We all love Ole as a player and human being, but as a manager he's done. I think some people are afraid that if Ole is sacked he will somehow lose his legendary status. It's not going to happen. Ole will always be a legend and will always be received warmly around OT, but the lad just hasn't got the next couple of gears in his locker.
every time we extend contracts it goes pear shaped.
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