Donny van de Beek

Ixion · Oct 16, 2021

It is bonkers that he put in a decent performance against West Ham and then hasn't played a minute since. The man management involved is awful, if you don't want him Ole you should have let him go when the offers were right there and he was happy to go.

el3mel · Oct 16, 2021

The manager doesn't trust him but apparently he has to breathe fire out of his mouth for such manager whenever he's thrown a rare chance here and there.

lex talionis · Oct 16, 2021

Beyond absurd that a player who excelled for a very good Ajax squad can’t get a minute for this United squad.

izec · Oct 16, 2021

lex talionis said:
Beyond absurd that a player who excelled for a very good Ajax squad can’t get a minute for this United squad.

He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

Desert Eagle · Oct 16, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

+1

Foxbatt · Oct 16, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

Yes I agree with your conclusion. Ole has no idea how to get a football team to play at the top level.

tomaldinho1 · Oct 16, 2021

His legend grows more as we continue our crap football and he doesn’t play.

KirkDuyt · Oct 16, 2021

He's a shit Guus Til. Though that's not a bad thing, Guus is our leagues top scorer.

Pogue Mahone · Oct 16, 2021

tomaldinho1 said:
His legend grows more as we continue our crap football and he doesn’t play.

It’s not as though anyone realistically expects him to come in and play like Xavi. But when he’s signed for a lot of money, has looked vaguely promising in a few cameos and plays in a position where we’ve been consistently wank for weeks then it’s not the craziest idea to want him to get more opportunities, is it?

Foxbatt · Oct 16, 2021

tomaldinho1 said:
His legend grows more as we continue our crap football and he doesn’t play.

Just like many players. But you have to give him a couple of games to get him match fit. If he is not getting even two consecutive games he is not going to be match fit at all.

tomaldinho1 · Oct 16, 2021

Pogue Mahone said:
It’s not as though anyone realistically expects him to come in and play like Xavi. But when he’s signed for a lot of money, has looked vaguely promising in a few cameos and plays in a position where we’ve been consistently wank for weeks then it’s not the craziest idea to want him to get more opportunities, is it?

Im a big VdB fan, wasn’t criticising him but funny how this works. For me it’s simple - we are terrible in offensive possession and game management and have a midfielder in our team who literally grew up in a system designed for both of those thing but we persists with combinations of poor players, players who are waiting to leave on a free or has beens.

lex talionis · Oct 16, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

Is what you’re suggesting is that Ole isn’t fit to manage a club with aspirations to win a PL or CL trophy?

I can’t argue with that.

spiriticon · Oct 16, 2021

What annoys me is that everyone else is so bad yet Donny still gets no chances.

dmst · Oct 16, 2021

It baffles me that people have made up their mind on VDB when he literally hasn't played 2 games in a row.

You'd think we had learned by now to only judge players when they've actually been given a run of games.

Remember when people wanted Shaw out during Mourinho's tenure?

EdinburghDevil · Oct 16, 2021

Donny will be a big benefactor if Ole does get the chop.

You can just see him getting a proper run of games under a new manager.

He should have been on for Matic today given the game situation.

Foxbatt · Oct 16, 2021

EdinburghDevil said:
Donny will be a big benefactor if Ole does get the chop.

You can just see him getting a proper run of games under a new manager.

He should have been on for Matic today given the game situation.

He cannot play. He is a pass and move player. That is what he is brought up on. Right player at the right time in the right space. United does not play like that. he played in a structured team not a bunch of individuals doing their own thing.

EtH · Oct 16, 2021

Foxbatt said:
He cannot play. He is a pass and move player. That is what he is brought up on. Right player at the right time in the right space. United does not play like that. he played in a structured team not a bunch of individuals doing their own thing.

And yet he has put in the best three halves of midfield play I’ve seen from a United shirt this season. Which is all he’s played this season.

Foxbatt · Oct 16, 2021

MvG said:
And yet he has put in the best three halves of midfield play I’ve seen from a United shirt this season.

I know that he is a good player but today if he had played coming in for Matic, it would have destroyed him. I want him to be given a chance but if he had come in for McTominay it would not have made any difference.

EtH · Oct 16, 2021

Foxbatt said:
I know that he is a good player but today if he had played coming in for Matic, it would have destroyed him. I want him to be given a chance but if he had come in for McTominay it would not have made any difference.

I don’t know how you can say that. He would’ve done a damn sight better than McTominay. And I imagine he would’ve been better than Matic from the start as he actually brings some mobility and combativeness.

Sviken · Oct 16, 2021

Not enough pashun in the young lad.

Idxomer · Oct 17, 2021

He hasn't seen a second since the West Ham game in the cup, Ole seems very vindictive towards him for whatever reason.

Foxbatt · Oct 17, 2021

MvG said:
I don’t know how you can say that. He would’ve done a damn sight better than McTominay. And I imagine he would’ve been better than Matic from the start as he actually brings some mobility and combativeness.

Because he will get the ball and will look to pass and then move to receive the pass and the pass would not come and he will be caught out of position. Matic reads the game better than him and he is not used to this sort of a mess when playing football. He is a proper player who plays football the Dutch way. He would have been very good at City.

jem · Oct 17, 2021

Pogue Mahone said:
It’s not as though anyone realistically expects him to come in and play like Xavi. But when he’s signed for a lot of money, has looked vaguely promising in a few cameos and plays in a position where we’ve been consistently wank for weeks then it’s not the craziest idea to want him to get more opportunities, is it?

Not only that, I wouldn't mind seeing him on for Bruno every once in a while. He might lack Bruno's flair for the dramatic, but a tidy midfielder who can make things tick over wouldn't go amiss from time to time (and might even bring out a better version of Pogba.)

Winrar · Oct 17, 2021

If McFred was actually doing their jobs competently at MF I wouldn't even be that invested and/or annoyed about VDB's lack of game time.

lex talionis · Oct 17, 2021

Donny must be allowed to move on and escape this towering jello of shit that Ole has masterminded.

Sviken · Oct 17, 2021

Winrar said:
If McFred was actually doing their jobs competently at MF I wouldn't even be that invested and/or annoyed about VDB's lack of game time.

Would any of us be, really? I wouldn't give a shit about Donny if McFred actually played like good midfielders. But we're in a situation when our midfield situation is absoltuely dire and Donny, despite his good performances agianst Young Boys and West Ham this season (better than any of our midfielders despite no run of games) can't seem to get even a 5 minute appearance. It's just a joke of man management, the one thing people seem to praise Ole for.

Winrar · Oct 17, 2021

Sviken said:
Would any of us be, really? I wouldn't give a shit about Donny if McFred actually played like good midfielders. But we're in a situation when our midfield situation is absoltuely dire and Donny, despite his good performances agianst Young Boys and West Ham this season (better than any of our midfielders despite no run of games) can't seem to get even a 5 minute appearance. It's just a joke of man management, the one thing people seem to praise Ole for.

beats me, really...

would we really lose anything by playing him ahead of McT at this point? we're already calamitous and dropping silly points as is.

EtH · Oct 17, 2021

Foxbatt said:
Because he will get the ball and will look to pass and then move to receive the pass and the pass would not come and he will be caught out of position. Matic reads the game better than him and he is not used to this sort of a mess when playing football. He is a proper player who plays football the Dutch way. He would have been very good at City.

He did just fine in his limited time so far this season. Also a bit of a rich comparison considering how Matic is pretty much always out of position these days because his legs are gone. No matter how well he supposedly reads the game.

BrilliantOrange · Oct 17, 2021

Its infuriating really.. Im beyong words actually in attempting to describe how ridiculous this situation is and how afwully Ole is managing this..

zenith · Oct 17, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

Bang on

IhabX7 · Oct 17, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

Seems to be the case. Good post.

AneRu · Oct 17, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

The thing is you need those players who are good at the basic stuff to provide a platform for the magicians. Without that platform and security in possession what happened today becomes a regular occurance.

tomaldinho1 · Oct 17, 2021

izec said:
He has no individual skill to save Ole. Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo, Mason, Martial are the players Ole needs. VdB is a player you can only use if you know what you are doing and have a proper team setup, like Ajax, otherwise he will play it safe and be lost. He cant meet the expectation, as he cant create or score without passing, positioning and movement.

The goal today by Rashford or Mason is something VdB could never do. He is useless for Ole.

Exactly. Ole would probably start Cattermole over Xavi because he knows what he’s getting and can just let him get stuck in, work hard and be a ‘proper midfielder’

Deery · Oct 17, 2021

Surely he would be worth a punt at nothing else to see how he gets on, he can’t be worse that Matic or Pogba..

red4ever 79 · Oct 17, 2021

I am sure when Donny got home last night, he lay on his couch, put Strictly Come Dancing on, closed his eyes, and a little tiny smile crept out, and rightly so.

TMDaines · Oct 17, 2021

Ixion said:
It is bonkers that he put in a decent performance against West Ham and then hasn't played a minute since. The man management involved is awful, if you don't want him Ole you should have let him go when the offers were right there and he was happy to go.

He was the best in a bad bunch, and still arguably at fault for the West Ham goal, in a dispiriting loss against West Ham’s second XI.

There were no offers in the summer.

IncyWincySpider · Oct 17, 2021

Let's be honest, at this stage you could give him a punt as player-coach and it might be an improvement.

Ixion · Oct 17, 2021

TMDaines said:
He was the best in a bad bunch, and still arguably at fault for the West Ham goal, in a dispiriting loss against West Ham’s second XI.

There were no offers in the summer.

Everton tried to get him on loan

TMDaines · Oct 17, 2021

Ixion said:
Everton tried to get him on loan

That says it all. The only interest in him was a loan offer from a broke club after a plea from a desperate agent.

Are you honestly arguing that it was in United’s best interests to essentially allow the guy to leave for any terms, even for a derisory offer? What other big club just gives up their currently unfavoured players like that? Why would United weaken their squad at zero benefit?

Ixion · Oct 17, 2021

TMDaines said:
So you are honestly arguing that it was in United’s best interests to essentially allow the guy to leave for any terms, even for a derisory offer? What other big club just gives up their currently unfavoured players like that? Why would United weaken their squad at zero benefit?

Lingard to West Ham?

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