Poor again today. A manager with cojones of granite would drop Pogba, bringing him only once the outcome of the match is no longer in question.
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He's a top 5 player in the world in International football and wouldn't crack the top 100 in the club game it's bizarre.
It’s far slower. Much like Italian league. It suits his play when he has more time to do his Pogba shit
Sure, but the disparity is still incredible. He's basically prime Schweinsteiger in International football and yet he's a worse Prem player than John McGinn or Doucoure.
Completely stupid player. You already know he’s going to make a stupid foul before he makes it.
Come off it. Top 5 player for the France team maybe.
His best position is playing off the left in a relatively open game. Other than that he is pretty much useless.
Can't wait to see the back of him and get a more properly balanced team
Can't wait to see the back of him and get a more properly balanced team
All of our players play with frustration. There are many things wrong at the team level that I can't even point any fingers towards any of the players. They can't have all turned shit can they? We were dying to get these players and now they're all shit. Sack a manager and they play amazing football for a couple of months, appoint the new manager permanently and it all goes to shit. I reckon a really really solid, tactically savvy manager won't need to change much at a squad level.
Got bossed by Tielmans. Tielmans knows how to control a game of football with his passing range.
True but players need pride also. Gerrard would perform playing in shite pool sides with Dalglish as manager....it's a bit of Paul and a bit of us that holds him back
Pogba is the easiest "world class midfielder" to play against. He doesn't use his natural gifts nearly enough and is kinda soft.
Got bossed by Etienne Capouee few weeks ago too. He gets bossed by anyone who works hard and gets in his face.
Even his loyal army of fans are struggling to defend him now. He left Matic completley exposed yesterday and Matic to his credit did okay. Pogba was the huge issue in the midfield and Ole left him on. Unbelievable.
I’m not sure why Pogba always gets the blame when we basically only defend with six men off the ball. We have a back four and a double pivot, Bruno haring around like a rabid, 19-year-old Wayne Rooney, and then three forwards strolling around. Literally everyone we do play and anyone we could buy for that back four and midfield double pivot is and would get exposed.
Until we start defending from the front it won’t improve. It is too easy for the opposition to overload us in different areas of the pitch without overcommitting. Villarreal and Leicester were great examples of this.
Bang on. After games like yesterday everyone will have a go at players they have agendas against when in reality only one or two players looked decent and the biggest issue is our whole setup. I have given up guessing what position Bruno for example is even playing in. It seems he's doing whatever he likes which can be good when we have the ball but catastrophic when we don't.
Oh, you are fecked. You are so very fecked. It's not Greenwood's natural game. He can perhaps learn, but maybe not. Ronaldo will not be willing OR able. Rashford will have no issues, but I question Sancho's athleticism for this.
I’m fecked or United are fecked?
Because he lets his team mates down and fans down with a total lack of effort.
It's true. United have conceded 10 goals so far, despite De Gea being our best player, while City have conceded 3 - Jesus does 18 presses a game, while Ronaldo does 2 and Greenwood does 8. It matters, it's not just all on the defenders.
Definitely one of his worse games, but we're not doing him nor Matic any favours by pairing them in a midfield two as it exposes their lack of mobility.
See now that’s a fair appraisal, but when the same idiots rock up in this thread calling people ‘fanboys’ simply cause they don’t hate him with the same vigour as they do it’s rather hard not to defend him somewhat.
Has he been a resounding success? No. Have performances like yesterday been too frequent? Yes but don’t rock up in this thread banging your drum about Pogba then tell me Fred would have been better after the shite he’s served up for £52mil, especially the game after Demare Gray sent him to the stands.
No combination of Pogba, Matic, McTom or Fred weren’t getting bosses yesterday; it’s been the case for some time.
Scholes wasn’t a chest beater like Gerrard so I’m not bothered about the theatrics, Pogba just hasn’t performed which unfortunately can be said of too many squad members.
I don’t detect the lack of effort. He’s going to being running around less because he’s being asked to play a holding midfield role. I think he’s less disciplined at making a lung-bursting recovery run if someone breaks past him than he could be, but that’s not a major issue in a double pivot because you aren’t frequently vacating your defensive position.
Very true. In the Belgium - France game it was the other way around then. Tielemans was shocking in that match. In fact, he was probably the worst player on the pitch.
If you need to play any combination of McFred, VDB, Lingard, Cavani, Rashford and possibly Greenwood in the front 6 in the short term then so be it. Fundamentally the first expectation of a United player should be that they work as hard as the opposition.
Until players like Pogba, Martial, Sancho etc show that they're willing to put the same effort in as the likes of Cavani and Lingard then frankly they should be on the bench.
We're making the same mistakes now that we did under Mourinho. We've moved from Lukaku, Martial, Pogba and Matic; to Ronaldo, Sancho, Pogba and Matic. It didn't work then and it isn't working now.
When Ole arrived he correctly noted that our inability to work as hard as the opposition as a key problem. Four years later he's assembled a team that has an equally piss poor work ethic. Martial for Sancho is like for like. Lukaku for Ronaldo is like for like. He's still playing a useless Pogba and offering him a pay rise. He's still hanging Matic out to dry by playing him with Pogba.
If Ole wants to survive he needs a reset. Even if that means initially playing a front 6 including only Fred, McTominay, VDB, Lingard, Bruno, Cavani and Rashford. Integrate our lazier, ponderous players one at a time keeping five of those 7 in the team.
I don't know any team that's successful whilst carrying four players in the first 11 who refuse to at least work hard.
Way too many of these kinds of performances. He's got great talent but Tielemans outclassed him with his CM performance. Not consistent enough
What would you expect to see from any of Fred, McT or, especially, VDB in Paul Pogba’s position and role yesterday?
Pogba was one of four players incapable or unwilling to work hard whether due to age or apathy. If we changed one player I'd expect nothing to change. Changing all four I'd expect a team who would be more talented than the opposition and also who would work at least as hard as them.
if Pogba is the answer I'm not sure what the question is
Let him go and be thankful
Let him go and be thankful
Most of these were pens mate.
For a midfielder and a player of his talent the gap between his top and bottom level is absurd. Just too many luxury players in this team who need others to do the boring stuff that makes a team work.
The question is..."who is the most over rated so called Elite footballer in the world".
He can't handle pressing or pressure. He won't run back. He won't mark opponents. He dwells on the ball like a 8 year old does in the playground.
Been saying this for years. The guy is a total fraud.
It was brave from Ole to play him against Leicester, he never usually does that. I guess he's more brave/reckless now under so much pressure. His performance was nothing unexpected.
Now he just needs to make it to the next international game to become world class again.
Now he just needs to make it to the next international game to become world class again.
Pogba should atleast be tried of a stricker with four attacking minded midfielders. In the final third is where he comes alive and mostly unplayable
Because tackling, positional sense and composure are probably the most important qualities in a CM.
His qualities are more apt for an attacking mid.
He cannot retain and control the tempo of games like lets say Verratti can ( i know i am raising the bar high there). What he needs is time on the ball whilst having a counter attack. Then he can play a wicked pass, like he did for Greenwood against leeds. But get in his face, he is horrid. And he doesnt work hard enough as well. Hence why tielmans looked much better.
I am fed up at this stage. You just dont know which Pogba will turn up. I would just let him go on a free and let some other club deal with him and his ego. The way he plays for us at times he treats it as a joke really.
I am fed up at this stage. You just dont know which Pogba will turn up. I would just let him go on a free and let some other club deal with him and his ego. The way he plays for us at times he treats it as a joke really.
John Giles on the radio saying Ferguson would never have put up with how Pogba and his agent have treated the club.
He's right, I also doubt SAF would ever have taken him back in the first place.
Right or wrong, what this club needs to do is to stop listen or think what Sir Alex Ferguson would do. Or class of 92' and so on.
Once we cut with our nostalgic thinking, we might be able to move forward.
Pogba needs to be playing in Brunos position, that's his only decent position, but who would you rather play, Pogba or Bruno? Considering what Bruno has done since he arrived it's an easy decision..
I don't think you can play both in the same team. it leaves us too open.
Pogbas salary is way too high to be a backup player in a single position so I would let him go, move on and get a player more suited to our needs.
I don't think you can play both in the same team. it leaves us too open.
Pogbas salary is way too high to be a backup player in a single position so I would let him go, move on and get a player more suited to our needs.
International football is way underorganized. It's more like how we usually play. Just give the ball to the best players and try to get something with just a few playing patterns.
There's not much chemestry between players.
Best NTs are probably around villarreal - real sociedad - arsenal - atalanta - (ours too ATM) etc. tier
Not a chance. Even on a free he would not have resigned him. In fairness to Ole, it was Mourinho who signed Pogba. But it is Ole who is continuing to play him. I felt at the time Ole was hired that he should have gotten rid of Pogba too along with Sanchez and Fellaini. I said it back then that either Ole got rid of Pogba or Pogba would get rid of Ole and it is looking like the latter.
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