Paul Scholes: Give Ole Until The End Of The Season

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Scholes told The Overlap : "I think he deserves a chance. If you think about the last three or four years about where United had been, it has been shocking, hasn't it? It had not been great to watch before he came.​
"It has took him two or three years to build a squad where we think the pieces are there to the puzzle, it's just getting them in that right organisation.​
"There was a lot of excitement at the start of the season after four or five games; they beat Newcastle (4-1) and beat Leeds (5-1) and the last two games have been disappointing.​
"But I think he deserves a chance. He has built a squad where he should be given a year, at least this season, to show that he can manage that and win trophies."​


Im with Scholes - Ole has done more than enough in the last 2 seasons to get a chance to turn around this run of poor form.
After all we started last season even worse and he proved many of the doubters wrong by getting 2nd place in the end.

Of course, if we keep losing matches then he wont last the year and neither should he, but its early days this season. Ole has pulled out big results when he needed them the most, and a win next weekend puts us 1 point behind Liverpool, so its far from the lost cause that many are making out.
 

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I'm not with Scholes on most things, and definitely not here (and those quotes are prior to the horrid Leicester game which felt like a turning point for most of his supporters). Also, for every corner turned, he was responsible for the previous mess (such as the bad start last season).
 

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I am sorry, but this season thus far has been a total disaster. Total disaster. Let's say results were as is, but we were sort of unlucky... Ok, that would fly. We actually have been lucky and we won/tied some games we should have actually lost!

Someone needs to go. Something clearly isn't working so someone needs to be fired. If not Ole, who?
 

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i expect he will be given until he’s out of all the cups and a fair away from the top of the league. then the new manager will be given a few months before the summer to get his feet under the table with less pressure
 

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Chelsea sacked Lampard mid season and it worked out pretty well for them. Wait until the end of the season and maybe we miss out on top 4, and the inevitable happens and then we have an even greater challenge for the incoming manager.

It's still early enough in the season, and there are better options available. Giving Ole till the end of the season only holds any weight if there have been any flashes of us bring on the cusp of something greater. There hasn't, just the promise of prolonged disappointment.
 

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Why? It’s obvious that he’s not got what it takes. What’s the point in waiting? Does a manager really need 4 years to get a team together? The squad we have is better than what we are seeing. I don’t care how toxic jose was, the answer to not toxic can’t be to accept mediocre.
Its over said, but I’ll say it again. Look at chelsea, the brought in a club legend. He put together a good team, but couldn’t make it work. The changed the manger, and they won the champions league. Ole can’t get it done. Let’s stop kidding ourselves that he’s another SAF. He’s not. Change is good, let’s embrace it and wish ole success wherever he goes next.
 

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Well tbh if things don't become proper disaster class he probably will. But imo the EL final was the moment we all could see, he's not a winner. I've said it many times and will repeat, he won't win anything. This year was supposedly the year where he would take the next step.

Everyone was buzzing with optimism after that window, obviously still not getting a CM was a problem but it doesn't matter we still signed 3 world class players and yet we still play the same horrid football. Lost against Villa at home and just conceded 4 against Leicester which up until yesterday had been pretty poor but we made them look like Real.

With the current form and performances with this nightmare fixture run we are going to have big problems. His previous record against the top 6 is irrelevant now because this year it's worrying how we are performing. Pretty much every game bar Leeds and Newcasle have been a shit show to watch.
 

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Seriously as soon as Ole goes, the rest of the class of 92 can go with him.

Setting this club back every single season with types of nonsense like this
 

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I'm not with Scholes on most things, and definitely not here (and those quotes are prior to the horrid Leicester game which felt like a turning point for most of his supporters). Also, for every corner turned, he was responsible for the previous mess (such as the bad start last season).
Well last season there were definitely mitigating circumstances (no preseason, poor transfer window etc) so I don't put that on Ole at all and he's absolutely shown enough progress over a couple of years to deserve some patience

This season there are no such circumstances and expectations are high after a good summer of business, so we have to be doing better for sure

But it's early in the season and far from a lost cause - a couple of decent results changes everything but Ole has to make some big decisions and he has to do it now

Old Trafford will be fully behind him this week but any other home loss will change things, patience will run out for even the most loyal of supporters but on the flip side, a win on Sunday and we are only 1 point behind the Scousers
 

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I agree. We are Man United and we don’t sack managers without giving them a few years. I know Ole had more time here than O’Farrell, Wilf, Moyes, Mourinho, and LVG, but I don’t see why we shouldn’t stick with him for a few more years to see what happens.I’m done
 

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It’s mid-October and there’s not a single thing in the season so far for people to optimistically cling on to that would suggest that he can this turn this around.
 

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It’s mid-October and there’s not a single thing in the season so far for people to optimistically cling on to that would suggest that he can this turn this around.
The fact that he turned it around last season and we have a better squad now is enough for me
 

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I admire the loyalty but fear it is misplaced by those who share the same viewpoint. It really does feel different this time sadly. We look a total mess, there’s not a single team in the country that look as disjointed as we do currently. I’ll be amazed if he turns it around but hopefully he somehow does.
 

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I cant believe it but having these ex utd people on TV is one of the reasons we are shite. Believe it or not, optics matter to the Glazers. If the guys on TV are against you, then you will get a bad image and then lose cash. We all know the glazers only know about the bottom line. Saying shit like this by scholes only ensures that the glazers do NOTHING otherwise they will piss off the nepotism FC crew on TV and thus get a bad image.
 

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The fact that he turned it around last season and we have a better squad now is enough for me
So you would be happy for us to win feck all and fluke a top 4 place without any signs we can go any further. He has spent another fortune in the summer to play worse after telling us we should be in a title fight up till April.
 

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The fact that he turned it around last season and we have a better squad now is enough for me
The fact he's been responsible for massive letdowns and not won anything for 3 years is enough for me to know he's not good
 

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The fact that he turned it around last season and we have a better squad now is enough for me
Last season all that was required was a top 4 finish and maybe a decent cup run.

The expectations are rightly a title challenge this time around. There won’t be as much wiggle room to have a crap run and then turn it around, especially with how efficient City and Liverpool have been over the past few years at collecting points against non-top-6 teams.

If the next 9 games go as badly as the last 5, we won’t be anywhere near the title challenge. IMO, we are already out of that conversation. You first need to look like a team before saying with a straight face that you’re a title challenger.
 

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The problem is I don't think it's about a poor run of form.

It's a consistent lack of growth in management and coaching. It doesn't feel like our coaching team including Ole are ahead of problems. They're seemingly slower than Redcafe in understanding our issues, because things aren't changing match to match.

From a football POV, the team doesn't have a playstyle it is clearly evolving to. If you look at Klopp at Dortmund or Pep at City, you can see the teams becoming more of themselves as time went by. MUFC just played counter attacking football which led to some famous wins, but doesn't have a plan to break down team defenses that aren't high line. Most shockingly, it seems like Ole doesn't even know where the team is headed to for its football. He's talking about possibly needing legs and winning 50/50s.

From a management POV, he has been better than our previous managers but really hasn't excelled from a squad rotation and tactical substitution POV. Picking Magdire and keeping that walking meltdown on field for 90 minutes is ridiculous. I look back to SAF utilizing all types of ragtag squads to win games and Ole looks so uncreative, uninspired and poor in comparison.

The whole backroom have to go -- Ole, Phelan, Carrick & McKenna. All have been poor.

I think this is the worst kind of situation to be in. Ole & his circus of shite aren't terrible enough to fire immediately but are clearly not good enough to win trophies. It's similar to the level Magdire is at. Given the see-saw, we're constantly tricked by false dawns, made easier by nostalgia.
 

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Well last season there were definitely mitigating circumstances (no preseason, poor transfer window etc) so I don't put that on Ole at all and he's absolutely shown enough progress over a couple of years to deserve some patience

This season there are no such circumstances and expectations are high after a good summer of business, so we have to be doing better for sure

But it's early in the season and far from a lost cause - a couple of decent results changes everything but Ole has to make some big decisions and he has to do it now

Old Trafford will be fully behind him this week but any other home loss will change things, patience will run out for even the most loyal of supporters but on the flip side, a win on Sunday and we are only 1 point behind the Scousers
In terms of the support, I think he's started to lose it rapidly and I don't see a team up for a fight. Wouldn't surprise me if we managed a win on Wednesday, but I don't believe we'll see a coherent team any time soon.

With the mitigating circumstances, they're the same circumstances of other clubs, clubs who took points off us with worse players. At some point you have to ask if he's good enough and, for me, he's never shown that.
 

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It’s pointless listening to any of OGS’ ex-teammates for their opinion on this. Of course they’re not going to throw their mate under the bus. The best you’ll get is Gary Neville saying its bad but never once mentioning the word ‘manager’ or mentioning OGS by name. He was very careful with his wording.
 

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Question is simple. Would you give until end of the season to any other manager ,whatever the results or however we play ?

No, we won't. Scholes is only saying this because it's Ole. He is wrong!
 

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Scholes told The Overlap : "I think he deserves a chance. If you think about the last three or four years about where United had been, it has been shocking, hasn't it? It had not been great to watch before he came.
"It has took him two or three years to build a squad where we think the pieces are there to the puzzle, it's just getting them in that right organisation.​
"There was a lot of excitement at the start of the season after four or five games; they beat Newcastle (4-1) and beat Leeds (5-1) and the last two games have been disappointing.
"But I think he deserves a chance. He has built a squad where he should be given a year, at least this season, to show that he can manage that and win trophies."​


Im with Scholes - Ole has done more than enough in the last 2 seasons to get a chance to turn around this run of poor form.
After all we started last season even worse and he proved many of the doubters wrong by getting 2nd place in the end.

Of course, if we keep losing matches then he wont last the year and neither should he, but its early days this season. Ole has pulled out big results when he needed them the most, and a win next weekend puts us 1 point behind Liverpool, so its far from the lost cause that many are making out.
No, no, no!

We play awful football, almost every single game, win lose or draw. So no, it doesn’t look any better.

He has been building a squad for 3 years and he has spent an absolute fortune, and not only do they not look any better, the squad is unbalanced and several of his major signings have massive question marks over their ability. So no, no pass here.

If there has been anything consistent about the last three years, it’s been the complete and utter lack of consistency! There are no banker games anymore, everything is a lottery. The Leicester game was a frantic mess which has become routine. We will never win anything because there will always be these constant ups and downs in terms of results.

So it’s a no to every single point he has made. Sorry Paul, but you’re talking nonsense. He has to go now. We can’t just keep writing off seasons on a punt that is looking wilder and wilder as time goes on.
 
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Chelsea sacked Lampard mid season and it worked out pretty well for them. Wait until the end of the season and maybe we miss out on top 4, and the inevitable happens and then we have an even greater challenge for the incoming manager.

It's still early enough in the season, and there are better options available. Giving Ole till the end of the season only holds any weight if there have been any flashes of us bring on the cusp of something greater. There hasn't, just the promise of prolonged disappointment.
Who?
 

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Last season all that was required was a top 4 finish and maybe a decent cup run.

The expectations are rightly a title challenge this time around. There won’t be as much wiggle room to have a crap run and then turn it around, especially with how efficient City and Liverpool have been over the past few years at collecting points against non-top-6 teams.

If the next 9 games go as badly as the last 5, we won’t be anywhere near the title challenge. IMO, we are already out of that conversation. You first need to look like a team before saying with a straight face that you’re a title challenger.
If the next 9 games go as badly then he will be sacked and rightly so - thread says end of the season but obviously there are limits for all fans

Baring back to back losses this week, he's probably got until December to sort it out and thats a reasonable about of time
 

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Manchester United is aiming to contend for the title. Have you ever thought, during Solskjaer's tenure, that he produces a team that plays the sort of football required to win a championship.

That's the only question. The thing about giving chances... That's child stuff.
 

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Next up his cousin back from Norway to say that with pashun and the United way we will get back to the top in 3-4 years time(and another billion more of course).
 

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Manchester United is aiming to contend for the title. Have you ever thought, during Solskjaer's tenure, that he produces a team that plays the sort of football required to win a championship.

That's the only question. The thing about giving chances... That's child stuff.
We were top of the league at the turn of this year so yes the team under Ole has shown title winning form for half a season at least