Brendan Rodgers | Rejoins Celtic on 3 year deal

Bebestation · Oct 17, 2021

If he won us a Fa Cup and an Europa Cup every 2 or 3 years would people be happy with him?

I mean he is a good manager - but I don't really know why people think he is the manager that gets Manchester United to win the PL over Pep's City, Klopp's Liverpool or Tuchel's Chelsea. Is he the manager that gets United to win a Champions League?

Seems like a manager that may win us an FA cup but not really anything else.

Dec9003 · Oct 17, 2021

united_99 said:
Don’t know what the point is here. I didn‘t say no team he has ever faced was better.
He lost to RM, but could have finished above Basel, but didn‘t.
His record in Europe mostly even against EL level teams is really not good.

It’s like I said, it’s so easy to cherry pick lost matches and ignore the trophies he’s won. To me, every manager has a positive and a negative when looking at them as a candidate for us, but if we focus on the negatives Ole will just keep plodding along with us forever.

Giggsy13 · Oct 17, 2021

Cascarino said:
I actually think he’s historically been underrated on here. I had a few conversations last season about him vs Ole, and at this point in their careers I think he’s definitely more proven.

I don’t think the title race season is a negative against him tbh. He took over at Liverpool at the start of the 12’ season, where they’d just finished 8th in the league, within two seasons he got them to second and made up like 30 points. He deserves credit for that, where he deserves criticism for his Liverpool stint is for how he approached the third season, I don’t understand what his thought process was there and a lot of his decisions were baffling, even without the benefit of hindsight.

The Gerrard thing I don’t get, they had one season competing against each other, and when Rodgers left towards the end of the season he was like 10 points ahead and doing well in the domestic cups (Celtic got their third treble in three seasons at the end of the season). I don’t think there’s any credible evidence that he left because of Gerrard, he just got offered a good job.

He’s done a good job at Leicester, won the FA cup and decent league finishes. It’s true he missed out on top 4 but he’s competing with clubs with deeper squads and better resources, while dealing with tricky injury problems.

This is a great post.

I think Rodgers is an excellent manager and agree that some on here underrate him by cherry picking on his champions league record despite leading Liverpool in his first campaign without Suarez. His champions league record might still be better than Ole.

His league record though especially with Leicester has been very good since they’re constantly punching above their weight. My only concern with Rodgers is whether he can operate at a club like ours, which doesn’t really have as solid of a footballing structure in place like Leicester. They’ve had some phenomenal signings the last few years but not sure how much Rodgers is involved in their transfer decisions. Granted we’ve hired a technical director now with Fletcher also heavily involved, so it might not be a major concern. However, I do think Rodgers would get a lot more out of this squad than Ole, so it is definitely an upgrade in any event.

Bobcat · Oct 17, 2021

lefty_jakobz said:
The most over rated manager on the Caf.

Couldn't get Liverpool over the line when it mattered, only did well at Celtic because there was literally no challenge before Rangers came back up then ran away as soon as his expensively assembled team were shown up by a rookie manager in Gerrard, has had Leicester in the top 4 last two seasons only to fail yet again.

Granted he’s better than the Norwegian Lampard, but unless all we want is playing good football and having nothing to show for it, its a huge no from me.

Agreed.

Hes also a bellend, so thats a big no from me as well

Shark · Oct 17, 2021

united_99 said:
Fans always think other managers would come in and do brilliantly with their current squad. Rodgers could as well miss top 4 like Jose and LvG did.
It wasn‘t only Suarez. SAS was a thing after all, then Gerrard, Coutinho, Sterling. And the league was relatively weak.
Also better squad doesn‘t always equal better results. Unless you think all the teams Rodgers has failed to beat in CL and EL over the years with Liverpool and Leicester have better squads than he has had.

I've heard so many could, if's and buts in defense of sacking Ole for the guts of two years now and even now when we're heading towards rock bottom it's outstanding that we're still debating this. Pep could come in tomorrow and finish 5th but it doesn't mean he won't eventually have us at the top when he has us sorted out on the pitch. Rodgers isn't near that level but he's still miles ahead of what we've got currently. If it doesn't work we try something else. No manager would ever be sacked if clubs lived off what could happen instead rolling the dice. I remember clearly a fair amount of posters calling Tuchel overrated when Chelsea sacked Lampard. Sometimes you've got to just take the risk instead of allowing the rot to spread.

GlasgowCeltic · Oct 17, 2021

padzilla said:
I think Zidane's an obvious one for us given his success in managing huge egos that have traditionally underperformed under other coaches.

Think some big club is going to make a disastrous appointment in Zidane, had expected it to be Juve

lefty_jakobz · Oct 17, 2021

Cascarino said:
Yeah don't get me wrong I can fully understand why someone who supports Manchester United wouldn't want him, not just because of his Liverpool connection but also that it is one of the biggest jobs in world football. I think while Ole has put the club in a better place than when he took over, it's still a hard job due to the size and nature of the club.

The size of the task here is huge even with the players we have.
Hopefully with the DoF in (even though I think he’s not the right man) we should hopefully have a bit of continuity from the footballing side if Ole is sacked, which means no huge turn around in players.

Ideally we get a manager in who can work with the players we have and identify players in the youth set up who can plug gaps this season in midfield

Giggsy13 · Oct 17, 2021

Shark said:
I've heard so many could, if's and buts in defense of sacking Ole for the guts of two years now and even now when we're heading towards rock bottom it's outstanding that we're still debating this. Pep could come in tomorrow and finish 5th but it doesn't mean he won't eventually have us at the top when he has us sorted out on the pitch. Rodgers isn't near that level but he's still miles ahead of what we've got currently. If it doesn't work we try something else. No manager would ever be sacked if clubs lived off what could happen instead rolling the dice. I remember clearly a fair amount of posters calling Tuchel overrated when Chelsea sacked Lampard. Sometimes you've got to just take the risk instead of allowing the rot to spread.

Absolutely no point in putting common sense to the likes of the Ole in mob (especially that one), as they sit with their eyes closed and hands over the ears. They would rather die on that hill rather than face the stark reality that most of us have already.

padzilla · Oct 18, 2021

It's fatalism to suggest sticking with a manager that is demonstrably failing week in, week out just because a replacement might fail too.

B20 · Oct 18, 2021

He’d improve you instantly. The question is for how long.
I see no reason not to hire him on a premise of “let’s see what’s it’s like in 2 years.”
The hand wringing about “what if the next one is worse “ is massively hampering you.

everyone knows solskjaer will not get you there. Every game from here is just wasting time.

kthanksbye · Oct 18, 2021

I quite like the way he has got Leicester playing, some players have also developed under him, we bought Maguire for 80m, can easily see us paying 60m each for Ndidi and Tielemans, then there's Ihenacho who looks like a decent player now, Maddison and Barnes are also looking good.

Wouldn't be my first choice right now, that would be Conte, but Rodgers could well be the guy we expected Moyes to be, someone who can make that jump with better resources at a bigger club.

Edit - In terms of style of play, his teams are easier on the eye than Conte.

Judas · Oct 18, 2021

The way his last two league campaigns have finished do make me wary. But he would be an obvious upgrade. Much better football. I don't see it happening though.

elmo · Oct 18, 2021

Cascarino said:
Yeah don't get me wrong I can fully understand why someone who supports Manchester United wouldn't want him, not just because of his Liverpool connection but also that it is one of the biggest jobs in world football. I think while Ole has put the club in a better place than when he took over, it's still a hard job due to the size and nature of the club.

His Liverpool connection is a bull shit reason not to want him as a manager, Sir Busby played for City AND Liverpool and look what he did with us.

it’s not like Rodgers is a legend or fan favourite.

stefan92 · Oct 18, 2021

Judas said:
The way his last two league campaigns have finished do make me wary. But he would be an obvious upgrade. Much better football. I don't see it happening though.

On one hand you are right on the other there is not much shame in finally not beating the clubs that have much more money. And despite that he wrestled at least an FA Cup from Chelsea.

elmo · Oct 18, 2021

united_99 said:
Fans always think other managers would come in and do brilliantly with their current squad. Rodgers could as well miss top 4 like Jose and LvG did.
It wasn‘t only Suarez. SAS was a thing after all, then Gerrard, Coutinho, Sterling. And the league was relatively weak.
Also better squad doesn‘t always equal better results. Unless you think all the teams Rodgers has failed to beat in CL and EL over the years with Liverpool and Leicester have better squads than he has had.

You might just choke on water and die the next time you drink, is that going to stop you from drinking water ever again?

The excuses for not replacing Ole just gets more and more ridiculous each week.

united_99 · Oct 18, 2021

elmo said:
You might just choke on water and die the next time you drink, is that going to stop you from drinking water ever again?

The excuses for not replacing Ole just gets more and more ridiculous each week.

Very unlikely that I die by drinking water.
But if I drink poisoned water, then I probably will.

Replacing Ole with Rodgers (who has a lot of question marks and who will most likely easily take the United job) would be easy.
However the more difficult but correct thing to do would be to identify and hire the right guy to take us to the next level relatively soon (and next level would indeed be the league title or at least coming close to winning it).
I don’t see how a guy who has not even managed to win a single knock out tie in Europe (and this includes the Europa League) would be this person.
If this for you is an excuse for not replacing Ole, then so be it.

Bilbo · Oct 18, 2021

I love how we can boo Moreno for a full 90 minutes because he is an ex-Liverpool player, and then shortly after want a former Liverpool manager taking over the club. No thanks. Even if he wasn't ex-Liverpool then his European record would be a big enough red flag to avoid him, and then taking into account the last couple of season when it looked easier to finish top four than miss out.

united_99 · Oct 18, 2021

Bilbo said:
I love how we can boo Moreno for a full 90 minutes because he is an ex-Liverpool player, and then shortly after want a former Liverpool manager taking over the club. No thanks. Even if he wasn't ex-Liverpool then his European record would be a big enough red flag to avoid him, and then taking into account the last couple of season when it looked easier to finish top four than miss out.

Ex Liverpool doesn’t matter really in Rodger’s case, he is hardly a Liverpool legend. And player comparison or booing them is not relevant here.
And I would even take Mancini for example even though he is a City legend and we lost the league to him on goal difference (not sure if he would come though as he is still liked by City - and he is with Italy anyway).

B20 · Oct 18, 2021

Bilbo said:
I love how we can boo Moreno for a full 90 minutes because he is an ex-Liverpool player, and then shortly after want a former Liverpool manager taking over the club. No thanks.

good thing you weren’t around in the busby era I suppose.

Fox_Chrys · Oct 18, 2021

kthanksbye said:
I quite like the way he has got Leicester playing, some players have also developed under him, we bought Maguire for 80m, can easily see us paying 60m each for Ndidi and Tielemans, then there's Ihenacho who looks like a decent player now, Maddison and Barnes are also looking good.

Wouldn't be my first choice right now, that would be Conte, but Rodgers could well be the guy we expected Moyes to be, someone who can make that jump with better resources at a bigger club.

Edit - In terms of style of play, his teams are easier on the eye than Conte.

Bear in mind this is the only league game this season we have performed well in. For some reason everything just clicked in this game, but all the other league games have been poor.

Leicester fans tolerate it as he won us the FA cup which for us is an absolutely massive achievement, but you guys would be on his back with the form we have had.

kthanksbye · Oct 20, 2021

Fox_Chrys said:
Bear in mind this is the only league game this season we have performed well in. For some reason everything just clicked in this game, but all the other league games have been poor.

Leicester fans tolerate it as he won us the FA cup which for us is an absolutely massive achievement, but you guys would be on his back with the form we have had.

Even if that is the case, at least when you watch a game in which it doesn't click, you know what the manager is trying to have his players do, don't you?

Bebestation · Oct 20, 2021

I have a feeling that Leicester City will fire him by/at the end of the season.

If we want to hire him afterwards- a fired manager then so be it.

wolvored · Oct 20, 2021

united_99 said:
Ex Liverpool doesn’t matter really in Rodger’s case, he is hardly a Liverpool legend. And player comparison or booing them is not relevant here.
And I would even take Mancini for example even though he is a City legend and we lost the league to him on goal difference (not sure if he would come though as he is still liked by City - and he is with Italy anyway).

Mancini would be a dream signing. I think we would play better football from the off and start winning trophies regular, within a season.

Rockets Redglare · Oct 20, 2021

Bebestation said:
I have a feeling that Leicester City will fire him by/at the end of the season.

If we want to hire him afterwards- a fired manager then so be it.

Sack him for what?

andersj · Oct 20, 2021

Bebestation said:
I have a feeling that Leicester City will fire him by/at the end of the season.

If we want to hire him afterwards- a fired manager then so be it.

I think so too. Leicester will continue to regress and end up around 10th. Leicester will ve looking for someone who can improve them.

Leicester has really been awful this season. I dont get people who want Rodgers at Man Utd. Must be the same bunch who wanted Mourinho back in 2016.

izec · Oct 20, 2021

Not good enough. Better than Ole of course, but we need a level above

Bebestation · Oct 20, 2021

andersj said:
I think so too. Leicester will continue to regress and end up around 10th. Leicester will ve looking for someone who can improve them.

Leicester has really been awful this season. I dont get people who want Rodgers at Man Utd. Must be the same bunch who wanted Mourinho back in 2016.

I dont really get it either.

Some people just need to see a single match or two to make their minds up about a manager or a player.

The fact that Leicester City fans are unhappy with Brendan Rodgers and United fans are looking to hire him says alot about how the two clubs have progressed/regressed respectively in the last decade or two.

DWelbz19 · Oct 20, 2021

I see him as a good - fundamentally quite good - but not great manager. That level I'd hold someone like Emery or Pochettino within. An upgrade on what we have, but he wouldn't be like right up on my wishlist.

andersj · Oct 20, 2021

DWelbz19 said:
I see him as a good - fundamentally quite good - but not great manager. That level I'd hold someone like Emery or Pochettino within. An upgrade on what we have, but he wouldn't be like right up on my wishlist.

I think that is unfair to Poch watching Spurs before and after him leaving. Leicester under Rodgers is improved compared to Puel, Shakespear and Ranieri, but that is probably also down to the entire club. They are well-run from the top and very good at recruitment.

DWelbz19 · Oct 20, 2021

andersj said:
I think that is unfair to Poch watching Spurs before and after him leaving. Leicester under Rodgers is improved compared to Puel, Shakespear and Ranieri, but that is probably also down to the entire club. They are well-run from the top and very good at recruitment.

Don't forget Rodgers' time at Liverpool though either. He was a Stevie Me slip away from winning the league. I think in the grand scheme - they're around the same sort of level. Maybe Pochettino's in the upper bracket of that.

Mickeza · Oct 20, 2021

Bebestation said:
I dont really get it either.

Some people just need to see a single match or two to make their minds up about a manager or a player.

The fact that Leicester City fans are unhappy with Brendan Rodgers and United fans are looking to hire him says alot about how the two clubs have progressed/regressed respectively in the last decade or two.

We aren’t looking to hire him. Some morons on here want him but then they’ll take anyone.

Pogue Mahone · Oct 20, 2021

DWelbz19 said:
I see him as a good - fundamentally quite good - but not great manager. That level I'd hold someone like Emery or Pochettino within. An upgrade on what we have, but he wouldn't be like right up on my wishlist.

Who would you consider a level above Rodgers/Poch? (other than managers of PL rivals, who we obviously can’t hire)

DWelbz19 · Oct 20, 2021

Pogue Mahone said:
Who would you consider a level above Rodgers/Poch? (other than managers of PL rivals, who we obviously can’t hire)

Apart from the 3 in the PL, probably other proven pedigree guys like Conte, Zidane, and Simeone. Maybe Luis Enrique. I think it's only a select few, which makes sense as there's only few elite clubs in the world anyway.

Outside of that, you have your other more green, promising managers (dare I say hipster choices) like Nagelsmann, ten Hag etc. who you can't properly quantify just yet.

Pogue Mahone · Oct 20, 2021

DWelbz19 said:
Apart from the 3 in the PL, probably other proven pedigree guys like Conte, Zidane, and Simeone. Maybe Luis Enrique. I think it's only a select few, which makes sense as there's only few elite clubs in the world anyway.

Outside of that, you have your other more green, promising managers (dare I say hipster choices) like Nagelsmann, ten Hag etc. who you can't properly quantify just yet.

I would say there are question marks against the three you mention just as big as any against Rodgers/Poch (for various different reasons) despite the trophies won.

jeff gurr · Oct 20, 2021

Bebestation said:
I have a feeling that Leicester City will fire him by/at the end of the season.

If we want to hire him afterwards- a fired manager then so be it.

I don’t see him getting fired this season. No real reason to.

Bebestation · Oct 20, 2021

jeff gurr said:
I don’t see him getting fired this season. No real reason to.

Oh I'm not saying I made that up - I just saying that some Leicester fans are unhappy with him and questioned the sack already.

Leicester were 13th before our match so let's see if the improvement is continuous.

captaincantona · Oct 20, 2021

Rodgers is a top manager/coach and is only really not recognised more because he is a complete bellend parody that lends himself perfectly to comedy sketches and routine piss taking.

Let’s be honest, he has solidified Leicester as a top 6 side and a constant danger in the premiere league when most thought the league win would be closely followed by relegation after their best players jumped ship. Most importantly, they play football well. They pass and build quickly and press well and stay compact. He knows how to set a team up.

As for this seasons drop off in performances - Fofana, Evans and Ndidi all out along with Pereira playing through injury and Barnes/Maddison playing poorly. Ask yourself- if Anyone outside City and Pool has those injuries...how would they cope? For example if Maguire and Varane and our main defensive midfielder were out , Shaw was playing through injury and Pogba and Bruno we’re out of form- we would look even shitter than you could ever imagine...if that’s possible.

In short, I would take Rodgers in a heartbeat and I would stake €43 on it that we would win a league under him with this squad.

Jimmy Skitz · Oct 20, 2021

Bebestation said:
I have a feeling that Leicester City will fire him by/at the end of the season.

If we want to hire him afterwards- a fired manager then so be it.

we won't fire him but I don't think he'll be our manager next season

Bebestation · Oct 20, 2021

Jimmy Skitz said:
we won't fire him but I don't think he'll be our manager next season

He gets to walk?

Anyway, who do you think your guys potential Managers list include if you had to include 3 to 5?

Jimmy Skitz · Oct 20, 2021

its not a case of getting to walk someone else will come in for him

There's a few names I'd like, Graham Potter, Thomas Frank etc.

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