Steve Bruce leaves Newcastle

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So they allowed him one game to reach his 1,000 in the managers chair? I suppose there's that at least, not a bad gesture considering who the new owners are.

Sad statement that. Enjoy retirement Steve.
 

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As someone not from England who doesn't have that insight: Where does that sense of entitlement from Newcastle fans actually come from? It's something I never really got.
I understand that every club always think they're bigger than they are but they last won the league 100 years ago, haven't won a trophy for over 50 years and apart from two short good spells in the mid 90s and early 00s they haven't really been a consistent top table team either for a prolongued period. I always understood why they wanted Ashley gone and I get that they're a big club in the North and have a long tradition - but the way their fans talk always reminded me of Liverpool - thing is, Liverpool fans for all their delusion actually had reasonable reference points of being great "once".
 

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As someone not from England who doesn't have that insight: Where does that sense of entitlement from Newcastle fans actually come from? It's something I never really got.
I understand that every club always think they're bigger than they are but they last won the league 100 years ago, haven't won a trophy for over 50 years and apart from two short good spells in the mid 90s and early 00s they haven't really been a consistent top table team either for a prolongued period. I always understood why they wanted Ashley gone and I get that they're a big club in the North and have a long tradition - but the way their fans talk always reminded me of Liverpool - thing is, Liverpool fans for all their delusion actually had reasonable reference points of being great "once".
It’s just as confusing for most of us, too:lol:
And yes very similar to Liverpool with the fixation with an “atmosphere” that 9 games out of 10 at both clubs is completely dead.
 

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Saw the first 2 pages of this thread and so many people saying Newcastle fans are pathetic for the way they treated Bruce. I find this ironic in a forum where so many are happy to treat Ole the same way.
 

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As someone not from England who doesn't have that insight: Where does that sense of entitlement from Newcastle fans actually come from? It's something I never really got.
I understand that every club always think they're bigger than they are but they last won the league 100 years ago, haven't won a trophy for over 50 years and apart from two short good spells in the mid 90s and early 00s they haven't really been a consistent top table team either for a prolongued period. I always understood why they wanted Ashley gone and I get that they're a big club in the North and have a long tradition - but the way their fans talk always reminded me of Liverpool - thing is, Liverpool fans for all their delusion actually had reasonable reference points of being great "once".
I don't think they even have this sense of entitlement people think they do, if they do then why were they so pleased with Rafa's 12th place (or wherever it was) finishes?

From what I can see they just want a competive team that they can enjoy watching which has been bizzarely translated into them thinking they deserve to win titles.
 

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If I’m an owner with more money than Jebus, Eddie Howe is far from the first name I’d want spending it.
 

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Ole has been treated INCREDIBLY well by the Utd fanbase…
The OT crowd yes, undoubtedly. I'm talking about this forum. Because over the last 3 years whenever we have a patch of bad results, the PE teacher and tactically clueless rhetoric comes out with a vengeance.
 

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No surprise to come into this thread and see a load of United fans putting the boot into Ole. Pathetic arseholes.
Pathetic how the PE teacher fanboys showing more loyalty to him than the club itself.
 

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Tô be fair, he went into the job knowing that he wasn’t really wanted in the first place. No one should have to listen to that abuse, but he knew what he was getting himself into. He spent money and they played really poor football.

I will hate them now for what they represent, but there is nothing wrong with them wanting a better manager than Steve Bruce.

Benitez was a CL and La Liga winning manager who didn’t even get 10 million to buy Rondon! Anyone can see why they would have preferred a manager of that calibre in charge.

That sort of manager gave hope to their fans, whereas Bruce, with a long, long track record of tumescent football and a very low win rate for the PL, gave them none.

He has made out like a bandit with an 8 million payoff, so enjoy your retirement Steve!
 

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Love that.

I hope he got a huge pay off and can now go retire in the sunshine somewhere.

1000 management games is a great club to be in.

It's clear with Newcastle being close to his heart the criticism hurt a lot more than normal. People can say he shouldn't listen but it's never easy, especially when people are personal.
 

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Two clubs who have been run like shit for the majority of their existence are going to be dominating this league in a couple of years based on oil rich men wanting a play thing and to distract from their misogynistic human rights violations.

We will get to watch this whilst Sky Sports never shut up about how wonderful it all is. Not wanting anyone to feel sorry for Utd fans as we have been lucky enough to see more success than nearly anyone but god this seems dull to me.
 

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Tô be fair, he went into the job knowing that he wasn’t really wanted in the first place. No one should have to listen to that abuse, but he knew what he was getting himself into. He spent money and they played really poor football.

I will hate them now for what they represent, but there is nothing wrong with them wanting a better manager than Steve Bruce.

Benitez was a CL and La Liga winning manager who didn’t even get 10 million to buy Rondon! Anyone can see why they would have preferred a manager of that calibre in charge.

That sort of manager gave hope to their fans, whereas Bruce, with a long, long track record of tumescent football and a very low win rate for the PL, gave them none.

He has made out like a bandit with an 8 million payoff, so enjoy your retirement Steve!

Rafa got plenty of money to spend, he brought in nearly 30 players and spent 140 odd million. His net spend was largely offset by selling a few players for decent fees Townsend, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic and Sissoko.
 

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I do hope Ole gets better treated by our fans regardless of anyone's opinion on him as a manager. That quote from Bruce is terrible.
You only need to look what is written here to see how our fans are towards our own manager... Sadly, not better.
 

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Rafa got plenty of money to spend, he brought in nearly 30 players and spent 140 odd million. His net spend was largely offset by selling a few players for decent fees Townsend, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic and Sissoko.
Bruce had a 100+ net spend over his first 16 months. It’s not even comparable in my opinion. “Offset” means he has to sell his best players to bring anyone in, basically.

Bruce has the luxury of spending on top of what he already had.

All the underlying stats point to better performances under Benitez with fewer resources.

I think it’s fair to assume that their fans were happier with the signs under a far more accomplished manager with fewer resources. His CV brings a comfort that Bruce was never going to with those displays.
 

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It is surprising though. I'd have thought they'll let him see the season out even if they want a big tactical reboot.

Finish respectable mid table, get new staff / players in in the summer. Only explanation is that they want to go big in the Jan market. Hope they go in for Martial, Lingard etc.
 

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As someone not from England who doesn't have that insight: Where does that sense of entitlement from Newcastle fans actually come from? It's something I never really got.
I understand that every club always think they're bigger than they are but they last won the league 100 years ago, haven't won a trophy for over 50 years and apart from two short good spells in the mid 90s and early 00s they haven't really been a consistent top table team either for a prolongued period. I always understood why they wanted Ashley gone and I get that they're a big club in the North and have a long tradition - but the way their fans talk always reminded me of Liverpool - thing is, Liverpool fans for all their delusion actually had reasonable reference points of being great "once".
They've always been well supported, most football clubs can't match their numbers in that regard. Even when they dropped down to the championship they were getting 40k+ every week. Of course that doesn't translate to trophies and as you said their trophy laden years were a long time ago, but I don't necessarily think the supporters demand trophies, but rather a team that can shake off the malaise off the Mike Ashley era and to make it fun to go to the ground again.

Before Ashley you had some good Newcastle sides with good players during the spells you mentioned, you had Keegan's lot with the likes of Ginola, Beardsley, Shearer, Ferdinand pushing for the title with elite players, and you had Bobby Robson's spell with Shearer scoring for fun, and while the supporting cast wasn't as strong there was still good players there with the likes of Gary Speed, Given, Solano, Bellamy and young talent like Dyer and Jenas. Other than that one freak season under Pardew (with some great players but sandwiched between a 12th and 16th place finish), there's been very little excitement for the supporters, there hasn't been a single top half finish (outside of the time they got relegated and won the championship) and the football has often been pretty crap.

The managers since the takeover have been really uninspiring

A long past his best Keegan
Allardyce
Joe fecking Kinnear
Pardew
Mclaren
Benitez
Bruce

I don't think Bruce got a fair crack and he didn't deserve the abuse he got, but I honestly understand why the Newcastle supporters didn't want him. His sides aren't particularly fun to watch, he'd managed Sunderland, it was an appointment that completely ignored how the supporters felt. I support a far smaller side and I'd be sad if Steve Bruce was made manager of my club.

This isn't directed at you as I understand the entitlement question was over why they think their club is bigger than it is rather than other factors, but I think it's less about trophies and more about just wanting to be excited about watching your side. I can accept the fact that it's unlikely my club will win any important trophies, but I do want to be entertained when I go to the games.
 

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I hope he gets a massive pay out. Bruce has never gotten the respect he deserves, an absolute legend of a player and a solid manager. His record is fecking identical to Benitez there.
 

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Bruce had a 100+ net spend over his first 16 months. It’s not even comparable in my opinion. “Offset” means he has to sell his best players to bring anyone in, basically.

Bruce has the luxury of spending on top of what he already had.

All the underlying stats point to better performances under Benitez with fewer resources.

I think it’s fair to assume that their fans were happier with the signs under a far more accomplished manager with fewer resources. His CV brings a comfort that Bruce was never going to with those displays.
He didn't have 100m+ net spend in his first 16 months that is crap. He didn't have any input into the Joelinton deal, it was pretty much done and signed before he came in, it was part of the reason that Rafa didn't stay on, he didn't want players imposed on him. The same way he didn't have any input into the sale of Perez.

Bruce's transfer spend consisted of ASM, Willock, Wilson, Krafth and Lewis, the rest were frees and loans.

Anyway, net spend doesn't tell the full story. Rafa sold a few players for big money to raise most of his funds, players that were in the club before he arrived. He then brought in almost 30 players.

When Bruce came in, he didn't have any decent players to sell to raise money, because Rafa had sold them all and filled the place full of worthless championship players that nobody wanted. A lot of Rafa's signings ended up leaving for free.

They both earned the same amount of points over two seasons, they both kept a shit Newcastle squad in the league, so this talk that Benitez did better with less is rubbish.
 
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He didn't have 100m+ net spend in his first 16 months that is crap. He didn't have any input into the Joelinton deal, it was pretty much done and signed before he came in, it was part of the reason that Rafa didn't stay on, he didn't want players imposed on him. The same way he didn't have any input into the sale of Perez.

Bruce's transfer spend consisted of ASM, Willock, Wilson, Krafth and Lewis, the rest were frees and loans.

Anyway, net spend doesn't tell the full story. Rafa sold a few players for big money to raise most of his funds, players that were in the club before he arrived. He then brought in almost 30 players.

When Bruce came in, he didn't have any decent players to sell to raise money, because Rafa had sold them all and filled the place full of worthless championship players that nobody wanted. A lot of Rafa's signings ended up leaving for free.

They both earned the same amount of points over two seasons, they both kept a shit Newcastle squad in the league, so this talk that Benitez did better with less is rubbish.
It’s not crap. Benitez had a -11 million spend over three years. Bruce was allowed a 70 million net spend in his first 16 months, even if you discount Joelinton. A player who Benitez never got to use!

I don’t understand what people’s problems are with smaller clubs wanting to be more ambitious and have a better quality of manager.

Any club, and any support base, would be raging if they downgraded from a CL and La Liga winning manager to Steve Bruce. Why should Newcastle fans not want someone better in charge? Just because they aren’t a giant club?

That’s not even to mention the fact that he managed their bitter rivals and his results recently have been awful.

I am sure Benitez didn’t sell his best players because he wanted to. He did the best with what he was given, which was a negative net spend!

If Benitez had been given 70 million plus Joelinton in those first few windows, you can guarantee Newcastle would be in a way better position than they are now.

The fans aren’t stupid for wanting to bet on a manager of his calibre. They have the right to want more, especially when they already had it!
 

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It’s not crap. Benitez had a -11 million spend over three years. Bruce was allowed a 70 million net spend in his first 16 months, even if you discount Joelinton. A player who Benitez never got to use!

I don’t understand what people’s problems are with smaller clubs wanting to be more ambitious and have a better quality of manager.

Any club, and any support base, would be raging if they downgraded from a CL and La Liga winning manager to Steve Bruce. Why should Newcastle fans not want someone better in charge? Just because they aren’t a giant club?

That’s not even to mention the fact that he managed their bitter rivals and his results recently have been awful.

I am sure Benitez didn’t sell his best players because he wanted to. He did the best with what he was given, which was a negative net spend!

If Benitez had been given 70 million plus Joelinton in those first few windows, you can guarantee Newcastle would be in a way better position than they are now.

The fans aren’t stupid for wanting to bet on a manager of his calibre. They have the right to want more, especially when they already had it!
Rafa had more than 70m to spend, he sold 4 decent players and earned a more money on selling other players. He also spent over 140+ million on nearly 30 players. He could have spent that money better but he didn't, he spent 4 and 5 million on loads of shit championship level players.

Bruce inherited that squad, spent less than 100 million on 6 players. He couldn't earn any money selling players because the ones Benitez left behind weren't worth anything. That is why his net spend is higher.

I have no problem with a club wanting a better manager. But Newcastle never had more. Benitez is hailed as some kind of hero miracle worker whereas Bruce is hated. Even though he has done the same job, earned the same points and kept Newcastle in the same league.