Probably, havent kept track so much.
Would you take Conte at United?
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Well, I don't think they have for the most part been either mediocre or lazy for the past 2-3 seasons. We've played some really good football and had some very protracted strong runs. There's a reason everyone was expecting us to step up into contender status not many weeks ago. Shaw made the tournament team at the Euros and many considered him to be the best DL in the PL last season. Maguire, likewise a huge euro tournament and stepping forward as a top, top CB until he went down with injury a few weeks ago. Rashford has developed into a top left forward. Bruno has been huge since he arrived. Greenwood has evolved into a budding star. As bad as we've been for a while now, that's not the measure of these players.
Exactly.
We have good players. I think even the likes of McTominay and Fred could do better under the right coaching. It's no wonder that the best performing players for Ole is the high flair players as they don't need much coaching to produce. But the lesser players like McT and Fred, and defensive players struggled badly under Ole. Those players need proper coaching to function at their best
No use your own point. He has won the league every time he has been manager. This year or next year. If he wins the league I don't care if he leaves after two years or has issues with our board who are anyway worth the backlash any person would give them.
If Conte joins Pogba is definitely out of there in a hurry
You do know Pogba has played under him?
Pretty sure Pogba was great under him
Never understand why people think we have these bad egos or personalities in here. The players have been grinding and giving it their all for fecking Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as a coach, despite everyone knowing he'll never be close to what is required to compete with Klopp/Pep/Tuchel.
Of course, at Juve. I forgot.
But Pogba was young and learning then though. This older version of Pogba I feel will not re-adapt as well. But we will see.
You have followed Conte right? He is a loose cannon and there's been disruption pretty much wherever he's gone over the last few years. I wouldn't blame the board for not wanting him.
It’s also not just about thinking long term in terms of a manager staying long term.
It’s about thinking long term in terms of style of play and squad building.
The most dramatic example of this in recent years is going from Van Gaal, who we have hundreds of million too and likes playing possession based football and developing younger players, too then hiring Mourinho who likes his teams to play without the ball and like to work with experienced players.
If your going to have short term managers you need need managers who like to use similar style of players.
It’s about thinking long term in terms of style of play and squad building.
The most dramatic example of this in recent years is going from Van Gaal, who we have hundreds of million too and likes playing possession based football and developing younger players, too then hiring Mourinho who likes his teams to play without the ball and like to work with experienced players.
If your going to have short term managers you need need managers who like to use similar style of players.
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If we have a very good first 11 and good squad, then why would Conte try to change that ? Why would any manager want to change that ? Doesn't make sense.
Or maybe we think we have a very good 11 and a good squad; but in reality we have a RB who can't attack, a CB that turns like a double decker bus, a CM paring who need 3 touches, two Strikers with with a combined age of 70, wingers who don't defend and a world cup winner who is an enigma.
People said the same about Tuchel when Chelsea hired him, that he will implode against the players and the owner in due time but that hasn’t happened yet so far, not even of a slightest hint. In fact things are looking good for them, he won them the CL and sits them at the top the PL table. Maybe we should take the chance on Conte as well?
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Suspect there's a lot of truth in that, both good and bad.
Personally I would prefer a manager who more definitively fits the "fluid and attacking football" Murtough was talking about not too long ago, which is why managers like Ten Hag or Enrique would be top of my list.
But if managers like that aren't available, you have to pick someone. And whatever else he is, Conte is a very good manager. A lot would depend on what he says he can do with the current squad but much though he wouldn't be my first choice, if It happened there would be some positives.
The problem with the idea of Conte coming in to kick us up the arse and challenge the United myth is that it's almost identical to what we did with Mourinho and that was a spectacular failure.
We need to have a ten year plan, not an 8 month one. Decide how we want to play as a club, put the foundations in place and then get the best possible manager to deliver it - waiting for him if necessary.
Granted Ole is not that ten year plan, that much is clear, but we shouldn't be making any rash decisions which will only give us more to sort out in the coming years.
Pogba has played under Conte before.
The good thing about Conte is that I do think he can work with this squad. We are ultimately a defensive team in nature so there is something there for him to grab on to.
It won't be the ideological mismatch that happened between Van Gaal and Mourinho.
It won't be the ideological mismatch that happened between Van Gaal and Mourinho.
Aye I hear, I hear. Hopefully he'll listen when Conte asks him to defend then.
We'll get conte, might win a cup before implosion. City will get Ten Hag after Pep and be sorted for the next 7 years.
He has never dealt with the level of competition in the PL currently. If you think he’s a guaranteed league title you are guaranteed to be disappointed.
Just for fun, wondering how we'd play if he took over. Given he loves a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3, and these were his common lineups at Chelsea and Inter:
So given that, I'd guess:
Courtois
Azpi Luiz Cahill
Moses Kante Matic Alonso
Pedro Costa Hazard
Handanovic
Skriniar De Vrij Bastoni
Brozovic
Hakimi Barella Eriksen/Vidal Perisic
Lukaku Lautoro
Azpi Luiz Cahill
Moses Kante Matic Alonso
Pedro Costa Hazard
Handanovic
Skriniar De Vrij Bastoni
Brozovic
Hakimi Barella Eriksen/Vidal Perisic
Lukaku Lautoro
So given that, I'd guess:
De Gea
Lindelof Varane Maguire
AWB Matic/McTom Fred/Pogba Shaw
Bruno/Sancho
Ronaldo/Cavani Rashford/Mason
Lindelof Varane Maguire
AWB Matic/McTom Fred/Pogba Shaw
Bruno/Sancho
Ronaldo/Cavani Rashford/Mason
The Guardian has this to say in an article about Conte maybe coming to United: “The 52-year-old would want to understand United’s vision before committing.”
I’m 64 and would love to understand this as well…
I’m 64 and would love to understand this as well…
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Fred, certainly, if his performances for Brazil is anything to go by. I think that may be a case of being asked to do more than he realistically can.
With McTominay, he is being used in a role where he is our best option but which isn't his best option, so him too I guess.
Least likeable manager in football.
I'll take Giggs before I am happy about Conte taking the helm.
I'll take Giggs before I am happy about Conte taking the helm.
He’d play VdB without doubt.
Lots of noises. I think the club is sounding him out now while keeping their other options still. Ole is a 100% goner
You can debate the good and bad or hiring him but he'd certainly have higher expectations and standards than Ole.
Hargreaves pointed out that if Sir Alex was in charge of that match against Everton and Fred made the errors he did he wouldn't play again for a month. Now there are no consequences for anything. Shaw, Maguire, AWB, Fred, McTominay, Fernandes, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Rashford...there is no threat to any of them, Ole will play them if they're fit regardless of how they're playing. He shows he doesn't trust the players on the bench so there's no need for those players to worry about their place.
How immature can you be?If you support the club you’ll get behind whoever is appointed and give him a fair chance.
Or you’re free to feck off and support wherever Ole next ends up
For my part I think our backline is top drawer. No argument that it's not looking good right now, both Shaw and Maguire clearly struggling for form. Varane is class. AWB too, could be a great player for us with some better coaching. You state our strikers combined age, like that matters? Ronaldo and Cavani are two of the best in the world, then we have Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood and Martial ... we are stacked up front. Bruno, goes without saying and yes, the enigma that is Pogba. Even so, that is a mile better than the state of the squad when Ole took over. Well managed and coached, this team, with an upgrade on McFred could challenge.
I feel like the lack of wingbacks would be the main issue with our squad for him. His teams always expect them to run up and down all game and create chances and our lot are useless at that.
We’ve been through the most toxic manager with Jose. Conte isn’t as bad and unlike Jose is at his peak as a manager. The only other option is Zidane.
Why would he? Ahead of who? Conte is an excellent coach but Van de Beek is a very quiet player who never stamps his authority in games. Conte wouldn't like him much IMO. He'd probably try him in midfield as well, but he's not as hard a worker as Fred or McTominay, not as good defensively as either or Matic, not as good on the ball as Matic or Fred even... I just don't see any future for Vdb really. He's a nothing player.
fecking hell. You rather have a woman beater for your manager than Conte? That's fecked up.
I'd rather Ole stays than Giggs return to the club at any capacity
What happened here? That’s one of his coaches or assistants he’s pushing? He’s a real nutter all right
So why would Conte change that if it's so good ?
That's the point. I can't stand Conte. And I definitely can't stand Giggs. I've disliked Conte for years, this isn't some new novelty.
Players needs to be drop if they underperform. Ole has a different style, he will continue to play hoping they will come good. He gets rave review for doing that like Shaw....... Fred?.... he doesn't give his bench a chance to impress.
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