Yes we all agree Ronaldo doesn't press like a maniac, but guess what plenty of Ronaldo sides have managed to deal with this one downside and winning a billion leagues/UCL's. It's not like this is some new part of his game. So blaming him is fecking stupid.
Ronaldo doesn’t press and positions himself wrong to open up the midfield
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It might actually allmost be that simple.
It's not a (new) weakness if Ole has been persistent with bigger issue of a player like Martial who didn't press well, nor move well when attacking.
Greenwood has been utilized badly being shunt wide as he also didn't press well and enough comparing peers in his position.
Rashford let just give him a benefit of doubt playing more conservatively given he had been playing with and injury and now recovering from the surgery has become a much more selfish player than his early years. He had been tracking back less too while improvement on his attacking output didn't justify this.
Weirdos are those try to convince other that this is some kind of new discovery in term of how Ronaldo play, and how glorious we were before Ronaldo joined.
Is not that Ronaldo is the problem. Its just that his limited attributes at 37 presents some problems since he is a starter. Doesnt press, limited hold up play and struggles to beat a man. He's Ronaldo and all, but he's old.
Well yeah that goes without saying. I don't if you were expecting him to run around like mad.
Point is every player has a weakness, and sometimes it frankly doesn't matter when compared with their level of quality. It certainly doesn't warrant a whole thread being made as though it's some special discovery.
Yet. In modern football Ronaldo won more Champions leagues in hes career than Manchester United has. Most of that time he didnt contribute much in defending.
Messi a little more but not that much. He won 3.
Thats really wierd.
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You have to account for that which Ole isn't doing well.
Look at how Pochettino is handling Messi at psg who presses less than Ronaldo. He sometime play a midfield three of workhorses, with one who is good at holding the ball. Moreover, he demands neymar and mbappe to put in a shift in defense even though that isn't their game. It comes down to coaching.
With Ronaldo, if we aren't playing a possession oriented style, then McFred should be a must with Bruno putting more of a shift in pressing. Greenwood has lots of energy, but he doesn't seem to understand how to press. Cavani and lingard are good at pressing as well, so to balance that put we can play a system where lingard or cavani plays with Ronaldo, if the manager can't get Greenwood to pit in a shift when pressing.
Against Liverpool our pressing was disjointed not because of Ronaldo, but because of lack of understanding when to pressing and how to cover space. Fred was doing the job of 5 man's at time despite the unusual criticism he gets on here
Look at how Pochettino is handling Messi at psg who presses less than Ronaldo. He sometime play a midfield three of workhorses, with one who is good at holding the ball. Moreover, he demands neymar and mbappe to put in a shift in defense even though that isn't their game. It comes down to coaching.
With Ronaldo, if we aren't playing a possession oriented style, then McFred should be a must with Bruno putting more of a shift in pressing. Greenwood has lots of energy, but he doesn't seem to understand how to press. Cavani and lingard are good at pressing as well, so to balance that put we can play a system where lingard or cavani plays with Ronaldo, if the manager can't get Greenwood to pit in a shift when pressing.
Against Liverpool our pressing was disjointed not because of Ronaldo, but because of lack of understanding when to pressing and how to cover space. Fred was doing the job of 5 man's at time despite the unusual criticism he gets on here
This is nothing but a whole bunch of meaningless whataboutisms. Nothing wrong with what the OP posted. You just decided to be in your feelings about it for no apparent reason. OP even says its Ole's fault.
He's not saying it's a special discovery. He's just pointing out how it negatively affects the team defensively. But it seems the main rebuttal is "bUt He ScOrEs GoAls!" as if we didn't know that either.
For the money he's being paid and his profile I don't think any Manager will be allowed to bench him and use him as a super sub. He can clearly come up with a great finish but were not good enough to essentially play with 10 men most of the game.
If he had any humility he'd accept playing the last 20 mins.
Not sure what the answer is.
Thats why he presents a problem. With Ronaldo its the Ronaldo show, but at his age he would be better as a suber sub.
In his entire winning time he didn't play as a #9. We're using him as a #9. I was talking about the role of a central forward - a #9 in modern football.
I believe one of Ronaldos conditions for joining was choosing his own position.
That I don't know but it's bloody obvious that he's not a #9 in the modern football.
While this may be true I doubt he specifically requested to be put alone up front.
He played up front at Juventus as well, but they had two strikers for most of the games (4-4-2 with the occassional 3-4-1-2).
"OP even says its Ole's fault" by saying this "And no I'm not Ole in. The fact he doesn't have the balls to see this and utelises him as our main attacking unit is his problem."
Nothing wrong with that?
If Ole were so scared of dropping Ronaldo, why did he drop him for in the first place with a full week rest ahead of international friendly? Wouldn't he be safer to keep a lid on Ronaldo issue by keep starting him?
Cavani is great and all yet it's not like when he played we had prevented high scoring game from opposition. Liverpool put 4 past us not long ago. Bunches other games last seasons we were there for the taking even if oppositions failed to convert them into goals.
Then you have SAF working to get Ronaldo sign. I trust his knowledge on the matter over some wannabe coach. The analysis is trash, as already pointed out about him being mute about his analysis on Ronaldo in this game against Liverpool (can't find excuse to shift the blame. Too small a sample, and no consistency to form a trend).
The problem with OP is he can't see a tree for a forest. Trying to pin a player for the inevitable of the whole poor coaching. Would OP, and you can bet your account and your dignity to stay out of the forum if the next manager can make this team work with Ronaldo (cumulating more points for example)?
It's just what one of my Man utd supporting mates told me. Havn't got a clue whether there is a legit source for that.
Because Liverpool are the new darlings when it comes to VAR decisions - evidenced week in/out. The lines drawn by VAR did not look right.
Tifo was great at explaining things that were already known. They are really really bad at tying to analyse things and have an original take on something tactical.
Just bite the bullet:
Hasenhuttl until end of season, he’ll have this team hounding teams off the park and pressing like maniacs by Christmas. Then Ten Haag or Enrique can come in and refine things.
Hasenhuttl until end of season, he’ll have this team hounding teams off the park and pressing like maniacs by Christmas. Then Ten Haag or Enrique can come in and refine things.
Agenda posting alert. 99% of the posts from OP are about Ronaldo causing us to play shit. Weirdly though, he was completely quiet last week after Atalanta.
Yeah people hold them up as having great insights that professional managers are somehow missing. But as you say they just explain obvious things that most fans who've watched football for any decent amount of time will have already picked up on. They just do it with slick graphics and flowery modern football lingo.
He's one of the biggest Ronaldo fanboys on the forum.
To be honest you post 99% of your posts about Ronaldo and it's only about your love for him and how he is perfect and how he can do no wrong.
Chatting shit like I only talk about Ronaldo - I do think he is one of our problems, you can disagree but just because he is in your mind 99% of the time doesn't mean I'm talking about him all the time either
Exactly, I just think people think at 36 he can play a potentially harder a role when I'm not so sure, if he can it does have consequences on how the rest of the squad play - for example we can't play young inverted forwards like Greenwood and Rashford with a striker like Ronaldo. It does not tactically work to either categories.
Honestly don't understand what you're arguing anymore.
A manager with a job with a PL job will quit to become a caretaker manager? White text?
We have the monies, the money monies
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Not sure if give up a job at a team that hasn't fired me after twice shipping 9 goals in a game, for three quarters of a season at a mess of a club.
I do feel like this signing will be a huge mistake long term. We'll struggle to move him on one year from now because let's be honest he'll only get worse from here.
Honestly it feels like we're stuck with him starting regardless of his form. Next manager will have a huge issue on his shoulder to deal with.
That's not to say he's the current issue. He's a problem now because Ole just bought him without planning at all how to use him. He just inserted him in the team instead of Cavani and let the players do their magic. He thought Ronaldo will work like Cavani. It was a ridiculous concept that proves how Ole is godawful manager.
But I'm talking about long term and how we'll move him on one year from now if he ends flopping ended.
Honestly it feels like we're stuck with him starting regardless of his form. Next manager will have a huge issue on his shoulder to deal with.
That's not to say he's the current issue. He's a problem now because Ole just bought him without planning at all how to use him. He just inserted him in the team instead of Cavani and let the players do their magic. He thought Ronaldo will work like Cavani. It was a ridiculous concept that proves how Ole is godawful manager.
But I'm talking about long term and how we'll move him on one year from now if he ends flopping ended.
Very true. Sad but true.
Video vs Liverpool
Another video showing what happened to our press vs Liverpool due to different players, one being Ronaldo.
Oh well, not saying its all our issues- but it is quite an issue.
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Then Ole has to figure out how to use him.
When you have a dude that scores so much we need to use it. We havent had a great scorer since RVP left. Goals win things.
That can't be denied but we all know football is not that simple these days. There's a reason the pure poachers are basically extinct in the modern game.
Anyway I don't think Ole has the time to figure out. The clock is ticking. Let's see with the next manager I think.
Is this the new excuse for the incompetency of Ole? Ronanldo? It's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Seriously don’t blame Ronaldo. This was already known BEFORE we signed him. The manager should have known how to work the team around his lack of pressing. That hasn’t happened. Buying world class players with no actual plan or system to set them up. Precisely why we keep failing year after year.
It seems since we’ve adopted the “pressing” approach, the 4231 on paper is basically a 424 (I’d argue it’s been a 505 in some of the games I’ve seen so far) because we’re just shoehorning a load of attackers in, hoping that they get the first goal or 2 to open up the game. And none of them track back, so our wings are completely exposed.
It’s not surprising at all that our midfield gets bypassed by literally any team that plays us. Without even being that spectacular, we make it far too easy.
Pochettino is covering Messi by getting the 3 midfield workhorses in, and the wingers to track back and compress, effectively a 451 when they lose the ball. Just depends if the likes of Neymar, Mbappe and Di Maria eventually throw their toys out the pram, but arguably it’s the correct approach so far.
It’s not surprising at all that our midfield gets bypassed by literally any team that plays us. Without even being that spectacular, we make it far too easy.
Pochettino is covering Messi by getting the 3 midfield workhorses in, and the wingers to track back and compress, effectively a 451 when they lose the ball. Just depends if the likes of Neymar, Mbappe and Di Maria eventually throw their toys out the pram, but arguably it’s the correct approach so far.
It’s a problem, him + Bruno are too much
You have to change the whole team tactic
You have to change the whole team tactic