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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Again, you ignore that he's literally at the bottom of the barrel of managers. He's the one who needs to go learn from a manager. No coach is coming in and doing his job for him. You keep ignoring this and parroting it away like it's an option.
It was an option two years ago. Then the curtain fell and the world saw that he has no managerial qualities whatsoever. Coaches aren't going to put their career on the line to come in and continue their career under him.
You realize that's what assistant coaches do right? They're there to learn and support the vision of the manager. They need someone to give them a vision, Ole doesn't have one. He doesn't even take charge of his training sessions despite it being overwhelmingly clear the players aren't playing the way he says he "want" to play (I put want in quotations because what he says and what he does are two completely different things).
You think someone competent is coming here to learn how to set up cones for us when they could go learn from any number of a brilliant managers across Europe? Stop ignoring that point.
I mean no shit. We’ve literally taken a youth team coach and promoted them to being a first team coach. What did they expect?
Think it was mentioned a while back that the players said his coaching sessions were like being coached by a schoolteacher.
So Souness can't give an opinion can he? Because he failed as manager means he loses all analytic ability of the world of football that he spent years upon years playing and studying? Souness can be criticised for a lot but his knowledge of football is far greater than mine or yours.
That's not always the case, it's well known that when SAF was struggling in Europe, he brought in Queiroz, who, is a large reason as to why we were so successful in Europe during SAF's reign, Queiroz ran the training sessions too! SAF learned off him!
So it's not always the coaches learning off of the manager.
The coaches coach and the managers manage.
Sounds like McKenna's going to be chucked under the bus then.
Intend to back him and achieve feck all. We're just saving face and refusing to accept our blunders.
If they are using 3 games to give them time then it may be because they need the time to approach a Manager who is currently in work. Personally, I think Conte would be a good appointment for you but if you can get Ten Hag then thats a better long term thing. I think he’d need time and support though. I wonder if they might try to get Poch out of PSG. Know he’s not that rated here but I do think he’s much better suited to United than PSG. If he gets back to his Soton/early Spurs football he’d still be good.
Wasn't talking about Souness, was talking about Ole. I didn't watch the video you posted because every point you've made has been the delusional ideas of someone who still actually wants Ole as manager.
First of all stop comparing the failure of Ole to the greatest manager in history. Just stop. It's disrespectful and pathetic. Secondly, he did lead training ground practices. He stopped when he was older BECAUSE he was already successful and had the pull to bring in young positive coaches across Europe. OLE CANNOT do that because he has no pedigree. Why are you having trouble understanding this?
i mean what is the point of this when clearly they want to replace him/should replace him? If we eke out a win against spurs he just delays the inevitable. Like telling your girlfriend you want to see other people but how about we go out tonight and see how it goes while i continue to look around at other options.
And if we lose to spurs are they really gonna keep him around for next two after that? And if not then congrats now your caretaker has no time to prepare for a big game in UCL to save our champions league aspirations. Madness really.
And if we lose to spurs are they really gonna keep him around for next two after that? And if not then congrats now your caretaker has no time to prepare for a big game in UCL to save our champions league aspirations. Madness really.
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I’d just about tolerate Ole for another couple of games if it meant they were working on securing this guy’s services.
But Southgate and Deschamps can? C'mon man...
PE teacher?
So I guess this puts to bed the theory about "Ole would definitely quit, he loves United more than himself" to bed.
Its the “Johnson Era” anything goes.
Why? Ole is a bum. A caretaker could at least salvage something from this season. Nothing will come out of keeping Ole in. Three years and we look as disjointed as ever. Are we keeping him in just for vibes and because he’s a nice guy and by all accounts the players like him on a personal level? Then might as well move him to HR in some manager of welfare capacity or something.
They don’t want to replace him, like at all. They’re digging for any excuse not to sack him. He’s on his about his 10th chance.
Clearly we don't agree, so let's just agree to disagree.
I've said to you a few times over the past several hours in more ways that one that Ole is not the man for the job but the club want to stick by him, and if the club want to stick by him, then maybe they should try what I suggested.
Whether or not you agree with that is another matter, and clearly you don't, but the club want to stick by him, so I simply suggested an alternative to at least try! Anything is better than what we're doing now, right?
But anyway, we're going round in circles here, let's just park this discussion up.
Just sticking in reality here, and the reality is, the club want to stick by him, at least for now.
I didn't mention anything about Southgate or Deschamps? But if we are discussing them as potential managers for the club, I wouldn't be inspired by Southgate and both of those would bring in their own team so their coaches would, you'd expect, know what they want from their team and implement it accordingly.
There's a few things going on with Ole/The coaches. It's either:
The coaches don't understand Ole's ideas and are implementing it the best they can, or they way that they're interpreting the ideas. Which is down to Ole correcting them.
The coaches do understand Ole's ideas and the ideas are just plain shite
Besides, I'd take another manager right now because Liverpool result and the first half of Atalanta and the Leicester game really took a toll on my support for him. It's getting a struggle to try and defend him when we play as bad as we have been.
i mean with all the conte links and them clearly searching out other options part of them do, and i added the should to cover the others ha. But overall once you begin to go down this path really no point delaying it.
I can see it now:
Take note, McKenna is an outsider remember, so nepotism FC has no reason to protect him
We beat Spurs. They fire McKenna, Ole stays for the season. They're setting him up as the fall guy.
Are you on a wind up? I didn't tout them as potential successors ffs. My point is it's not at all on these world class players that they don't "get" the coaches'/manager's instructions. The staff is clearly clueless in that department. Just look at how poorly executed our press is and why we persist with not Bruno playing CF and wingers not tracking back. Bang average managers like the ones I mentioned have more coaching ability and tactical know how..
Conte is not coming, I’d bet a lot of money on that. There’s too much noise about resevervations/board being split on his appointment. They want Ole to do just enough to justify keeping him til the end of the season, if he gets top 4 he’s not going anywhere at all.
yeah at this point id be shocked if a change is made. American owners prob see the table and think oh we are only a couple games out of 4th, not actually understanding how things work or been watching our overall shit form. Although i think the wildcard is the spurs game in the fact that if he loses that i just cant see how he continues after that knowing city will also beat us.
But we all know spurs are so shit they prob will lose to united and delay the inevitable.
He's a dead man walking.
No doubt there will be some on the board who want to keep him because the project was going ok until recently, but he won't turn this around now. You can see on his face that he knows he's out of his depth and someone needs to put him out of his misery at this point. Once the players lose faith in your ability and you are being mocked its over.
No doubt there will be some on the board who want to keep him because the project was going ok until recently, but he won't turn this around now. You can see on his face that he knows he's out of his depth and someone needs to put him out of his misery at this point. Once the players lose faith in your ability and you are being mocked its over.
Liverpool might regret not scoring more against us if they lose the league on GD.
Sounds like the Peter Principle in action. Being excellent in one role doesn't mean you're suited for the next level above that role.
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A bit like signing the Everton's manager and then being surprised that we turned into Everton.
Looking at the way we defend even the most basic plays like set pieces, I'm not even sure he's good at training academy kids now.
Even if the coaching staff has no clue how modern pressing or formations work, I expect set pieces to be defended well. It's soooo basic.
So you're saying it might not be that bad if City put 10 past us when we meet them? good to know.
That would actually be pretty funny. For them to win nothing and lose the league on goal difference would be supreme theater. Thanks for the slight chink of light in the neverending darkness.
The great managers/coaches adapt and progress. Moyes couldn't adapt to United and McKenna is stuck in his academy football ways.
A bit like signing the Everton's manager and then being surprised that we turned into Everton.
Deschamps won the World Cup in 2018, hardly an average manager.
Southgate, though not inspiring for a team like Man Utd, clearly knows how to set up a team tactically, as shown by his changing of the team for different matches in the Euros, he knows what he's doing. The team will play differently depending on the opponent and it works. He may play somewhat boring football and a lot of people don't like him, but he's the best man for the England job right now as he's getting results and has got us to a higher placed finish than any other national team manager we've had for 30+ years.
I know that it’s a very long short, but United should do everything to sign Enrique now. And if the World Cup is the problem, then we should appoint a caretaker manager and wait for him.
Probably swap McKenna for some ex player that knows the score and remembers a bit of the senior coaching.
Shame really because McKenna is/was highly rated in the game, shame how it's turned out, in reality he should've gone to other clubs and worked his way back to Man Utd as this stint has put a large stain on is career.
Side note: My tablet just went off for the Sky Sports Breaking News notification and then seconds later I got a Man Utd notification. Thought Ole had been sacked.
He's not interested, was said today by Ogden I think.
Paul McKenna might be a good fit.
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