Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
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Rhyme Animal said:
Ole is perfectly free to step down if he wants to.

He’s a multimillionaire already. He has been paid more than Klopp over the last 3 years.

He supposedly loves the club a great deal.

He could easily walk away for the better of the club.
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Perhaps it's not about the money for Ole, rather he believes he can still do a good job.

Bratt said:
I think if the board would go for Conte, Ole would be sacked hours ago. Him getting a few more games makes me think (or hope?) that we’re talking/negotiating with a better suited manager.
And in my head, that’s Ten Hag.
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I don't know much about Ten Hag other than he's done a great job at Ajax. I've actually adopted them as my second team 'cos they're great to watch :p

But Conte seems like a larger than life character, strong enough to handle the big egos at the club like Pogba, Ronaldo and Bruno etc. Perhaps Ten Hag could do the same, I don't know.
 

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To me it feels like we are just giving ourselves some time to find a suitable replacement.
 

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Dominos said:
Because the players are fed up of Ole and his approach, and the atmosphere around the dressing room will be toxic until Ole leaves the club - there's media reports that the players have lost faith in him and the board are inches away from sacking him at any minute - these are the worst circumstances to try and get results on the pitch.

Give the job to someone who's popular with the players for a couple of games while we sort out the next permanent manager, it's not ideal but we're more likely to get a performance out the players under these circumstances rather than persisting with Ole.
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The players are fed up of Ole and his approach, so let's get them managed by one of the coaches responsible for the approach they're supposed to be fed up with.
 

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Perhaps it's not about the money for Ole, rather he believes he can still do a good job.



I don't know a great deal about Ten Hag other than he's done a great job at Ajax. I've actually adopted them as my second team 'cos they're great to watch :p

But Conte seems like a larger than life character, strong enough to handle the big egos at the club like Pogba, Ronaldo and Bruno etc. Perhaps Ten Hag could do the same, I don't know.
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I’m not going to go down the Mourinho MK2 route, because I really don’t think that’s who Conte is, but he has fallen out with players/staff at most clubs after a couple of years, hasn’t he?
Wouldn’t really want a new manager of that sorts at the club once more.
 

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Flytan said:
Is there really a difference? How would he show support for ole without talking to the players?
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Don't know the details but I think if he was talking to the players or Woodward (who was not there today anyway) Burt would've reported it.
 

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Hugh Jass said:
Very poor by the club. If he has lost the players, there is no recourse. It is not as if he can offer them millions to make them play better. They are already earning millions.

The danger for me is Athlanta. We drop points there and getting out of the group is troublesome.
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A point at Atalanta is fine and we can beat Young Boys in the final group game at OT which takes us to ten points which should be more than enough to qualify to the next phase. In fact i would very much take a point right now for the Atalanta game
 

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amolbhatia50k said:
Absolutely. We've become a proper circus.

SAF coming to his rescue is both hilarious and a little sad.
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It’s incredibly sad… again, I hate to keep banging this fecking drum, but this is exactly what happened to Liverpool in the 90s, only with at least the background of it having genuinely worked before!… they kept hiring people from the fabled “boot room” because that’s how it’d been done in the 70s & 80s, and they gradually fell further and further behind (ironically) us, until they even had Roy Evans joint manage with Gerrard Houllier because they couldn’t bare to make a clean break!
FFS they even hired Dalglish back in 2011 and we all laughed at them then…. Now we’ve got genuine legends like Fergie, Neville, Rio etc, actively championing us doing the same thing. Repeating all the mistakes of the post Busby-era too.

Lord save us from the nostalgia of Middle aged men. It will eventually destroy the world.

If this is merely all a smokescreen to give us time to find an appropriate replacement, then fair play…. I don’t have nearly the faith in our board some of you seem to though… personally I think they drunk the Kool Aid with Ole and are just in blind panic mode now.
 

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Cee90 said:
To me it feels like we are just giving ourselves some time to find a suitable replacement.
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If we do ok in the next few games it could become v difficult to sack the manager, so that would be a foolish tactic if it were true.

Of course, the board are fools so who knows.
 

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Dobba said:
The players are fed up of Ole and his approach, so let's get them managed by one of the coaches responsible for the approach they're supposed to be fed up with.
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Surely it’s more that they would respect the coach if it was working. Mourinho took a while to get his Real Madrid side to buy in to his methods. When they did they won 100pts and scored the most La Liga goals ever.

Maybe, a pressing coach or miserable wanker like Conte will command the respect by having winning tactics.
 

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I really hope we are sacking after these 3 games even if we win them all.

We have seen enough regardless of what happens next
 

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largelyworried said:
If we do ok in the next few games it could become v difficult to sack the manager, so that would be a foolish tactic if it were true.

Of course, the board are fools so who knows.
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I wouldn’t be largely worried about us winning our next 3 games.
 

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Bratt said:
I’m not going to go down the Mourinho MK2 route, because I really don’t think that’s who Conte is, but he has fallen out with players/staff at most clubs after a couple of years, hasn’t he?
Wouldn’t really want a new manager of that sorts at the club once more.
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The main caveat with Conte is that he’s fallen out over not being backed in the transfer market after winning a league title. He kind of earns the right to be demanding and doesn’t suffer those less ambitious than him. That being said I’m not a fan mainly because I don’t like 5-3-2 and think our squad is all wrong for him.
 

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How are the players gonna get up for the match on Saturday? At the end of the sat he played all his favourites in the Liverpool game. So it's not like he's gonna change it and it's not like you can say that other players will fight more for him. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
 

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Question and food for thought. Was the board hoping that Ole would resign? Yesterday was very strange and it’s usually the type of thing you only see when a manager is getting sacked. Normally when there’s that much speculation the board immediately come out and “we fully support the manager” even if two or three defeats later he’s sacked. But yesterday they had their meetings, let the speculation run wild and it’s pretty much ended with “we can’t sack him because no one is available”

While our board are incompetent, they are business people who know how to motivate. If the plan was to keep ole or give him time, they would have given support as soon as possible
 

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bonothom said:
Ole had any self respect he'd walk away. It's plainly obvious he is out of his depth. But managers don't walk away these days cos of the massive payoffs for being failures.
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The biggest reason to walk away is the boards actions yesterday. They clearly no longer have faith in him and are simply keeping him because they have no alternatives. Most managers with pride would walk away on the principle
 

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Mockney said:
It’s incredibly sad… again, I hate to keep banging this fecking drum, but this is exactly what happened to Liverpool in the 90s, only with at least the background of it having genuinely worked before!… they kept hiring people from the fabled “boot room” because that’s how it’d been done in the 70s & 80s, and they gradually fell further and further behind (ironically) us, until they even had Roy Evans joint manage with Gerrard Houllier because they couldn’t bare to make a clean break!
FFS they even hired Dalglish back in 2011 and we all laughed at them then…. Now we’ve got genuine legends like Fergie, Neville, Rio etc, actively championing us doing the same thing. Repeating all the mistakes of the post Busby-era too.

Lord save us from the nostalgia of Middle aged men. It will eventually destroy the world.

If this is merely all a smokescreen to give us time to find an appropriate replacement, then fair play…. I don’t have nearly the faith in our board some of you seem to though… personally I think they drunk the Kool Aid with Ole and are just in blind panic mode now.
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Pretty much. Hilarious as well G Neville defending him.
 

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I'm sorry, but this is just not true.

Look at the treatment of VdB to start with. Then the so-called youth players, what happened to Amad, scored a wonder goal one game, then is never seen again. New signings you say.... well what about Jadon Sancho, the club (no doubt with Ole's backing), chases him for 2 years, gets him & then he leaves him on the bench. The most bizarre one of all: Jesse Lingard. He goes out on loan to West Ham and looks like a world-beater so the club has two choices - sell him to get as much money as possible, or recall him and get the same performances for Man Utd as he was giving at West Ham. But the 3rd option, recall him and bench him makes absolutely no sense at all.

Having said that, Lingard, Amad, VdB (and there are others too) all suddenly find that a 36 year old Portuguese player is brought in and has to have his name on the team sheet before anyone else's.... and who's fault was that?



It was Fergies fault, as I believe he made a last ditch phonecall to Ronaldo when he was considering a move to Manchester City. Perhaps that is why Fergie is at the training ground today offering his support to OGS, it is the least he can do after causing so much trouble for his ex-striker, this season.

How many successful years did SAF have at Old Trafford by-the-way? 1990 - 2013 so 23? But he facilitated the Glazers involvement from 2003, he ran down the playing squad and built the club around himself and himself alone so that once he left, a massive gaping hole appeared. One which doesn't look like being filled anytime soon, except that now he has regained good health, he wants to be more and more involved again. When the next manager joins after OGS they need a massive character with balls big enough to tell Sir Alex that his time is gone and to just stay out of things. In addition, I can't understand why they don't have at least one club box with with privacy glass for the old guy to watch the games from, because Sky or the BBC just love to capture Sir Alex shaking his head when things are going wrong, which was massively hypocritical last Sunday, when he is the cause of much of it. It just makes the club look bad.

Last season a number of Man Utd fans got an important match postponed - also vs Liverpool and they did so in the name of green and gold and to protest against the Glazers, but the ironic thing was their so-called greatest managerial hero caused that due in part his own personal greed over a racehorse (so not even a footballing issue) and none of them dare face up to that. Manchester Utd. are living on past glories and it needs fans to accept where the blame really lies, before the club can even think about moving on.
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I agree with all parts except the “Ronaldo to City” bit.

You’ll surely agree that nobody who knows anything about the City way of playing football could possibly imagine that they could hope to function with a bloke who wouldn’t run for the last bus, stood up top.
It’s a club where anybody who doesn’t commit fully to the press, and to tracking back as required, gets substituted.
It’s a club where nobody is guaranteed so much as one start in a season, and there are no exceptions to that rule.

Ronaldo doesn’t run, refuses to press, refuses to lay the ball on for other players and, most crucially, he wouldn’t countenance joining a club where he wasn’t guaranteed that his name was first on the team sheet.

So, basically, City wouldn’t have him at any price, and he wouldn’t want them to, so it was never going to happen.

IMO it’s a puzzling situation. I’ve heard the theory that City were happy to keep schtum, as a little favour to Jorge Mendes and Juventus, so that Mendes could pressurise Woodward into making a totally unsuitable signing.
Well maybe, but I kinda doubt it because Woodward’s not that daft. Surely?

I think it much more likely that Ronaldo was bought because the Glazers needed to take money out of the club and they saw an opportunity because his fame and celebrity status would temporarily inflate the Utd share price so that they could quickly offload some shares before the negative footballing effect of having Ronaldo could wipe out the price boost that his celebrity had initially introduced.
I can certainly believe that Woodward would give them good support in that manoeuvre. He’s an accountant and investment banker, manipulating share prices is his sweet spot, it’s what he’s very good at.
He’s the Glazers man and that’s where his loyalties reside, not with Utd, so he’d be particularly pleased that the costs of Ronaldo are met by all shareholders, large and small, while his pals the Glazers profit hugely from the scam.

So the Glazers, with their pockets full of money, are now increasing and diversifying their sports portfolio by buying an Indian cricket club, while Utd are saddled with the burden that is an old, slow and arrogant Ronaldo with an obscene salary,
 
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Jesus Christ what a shitshow this is :lol: I imagine every club in the known universe is dumbfounded by our decisions.

And yeah an almost 80 year old Sir Alex coming in to Carrington to defend Solskjaer, like a dad telling the other school kids to stop picking on his son. Oh to be a fly on the wall when that went down.
 

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It’s pathetic isn’t it. Can you imagine Klopp having Dalglish do that? Or Pep having Joe Royle (haha) doing something similar. It’s utterly embarrassing.
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Ole's already lost the players faith, he'll have lost their respect after this.
 

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Don't see how the standards could be any lower if they keep on with Ole. Will alienate both current and future player considering coming here. Why would a player like Haaland want to sign for a club with zero ambition?

I'd even be fine if they went with an interim manager for the rest of the year, if it met Ole is out. Find the right fit and all that, ok. But it's untenable at this point to continue with Ole.
 

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My Koeman question, was genuine, but solely to gauge peoples responses, as so many names thrown out there for crazy reasons.

Personally, I don't think there is currently a suitable manager readably available, so we either stick with Ole for the season and bring in some experienced coaches or assistant that can tactically improve us, then move ole into another role in the summer and get a better manager suitable for what is required.

Ole stayed too long and should have been replaced last summer.

Ole....... manager of Ronaldo...... a step too far.
 

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Don't see how the standards could be any lower if they keep on with Ole. Will alienate both current and future player considering coming here. Why would a player like Haaland want to sign for a club with zero ambition?

I'd even be fine if they went with an interim manager for the rest of the year, if it met Ole is out. Find the right fit and all that, ok. But it's untenable at this point to continue with Ole.
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He already did do, because his agent told him. We'd be signing him from the boilerplate 'zero ambition' club.
 

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Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
Question and food for thought. Was the board hoping that Ole would resign? Yesterday was very strange and it’s usually the type of thing you only see when a manager is getting sacked. Normally when there’s that much speculation the board immediately come out and “we fully support the manager” even if two or three defeats later he’s sacked. But yesterday they had their meetings, let the speculation run wild and it’s pretty much ended with “we can’t sack him because no one is available”

While our board are incompetent, they are business people who know how to motivate. If the plan was to keep ole or give him time, they would have given support as soon as possible
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No, the reason for the speculation and not knowing whether he would be sacked or not is because the decision maker, Joel, was chilling by the pool in Florida and has zero ties to the English press. I'm guessing any information drip fed yesterday was from board members / senior management based in England and ultimately they didn't know whether Ole would go or not because it was not their decision. It also appears that the board are split.
 

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Jesus if he had anything about him and loved the club like he says he does ,he should do the honourable thing and just walk.
 

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Don't see how the standards could be any lower if they keep on with Ole. Will alienate both current and future player considering coming here. Why would a player like Haaland want to sign for a club with zero ambition?

I'd even be fine if they went with an interim manager for the rest of the year, if it met Ole is out. Find the right fit and all that, ok. But it's untenable at this point to continue with Ole.
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Can’t see anybody taking this job on an interim basis.
 

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I've supported Ole for a long time but Sunday was unacceptable. We're as far behind the likes of Liverpool as when he took over. I love the guy, he's a club legend but I'm sure now that he won't get as the top end trophies we want to be challenging for.
His inability to find a role for VdB and the way Sancho is going worry me a lot too. His post match comments also worry me as they seem to suggest he thinks he's made substantial changes since he took the job. Off the pitch maybe, but not on it.
It's not a disaster for the Board to let him go at this point, they've backed him, he's just not up to it. It would be worse to let him remain in the job.
At this point, I'm not even against an interim manager until the end of the season if that's the earliest we can get the man the Board want. Either way, I think its time for a change.
 

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They're not buying time to secure a replacement, but are simply scared to admit they made a massive mistake in giving Solskjaer a new deal and basically building the entire footballing structure (coaching staff, Fletcher, Murtough etc) around a manager who's light years behind the top names in the game and most importantly the ones our biggest rivals have leading them to glory year after year.

Now they've made the decision we all expected them to make - bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the facts. A decision that is going to lead to yet more points needlessly pissed away, more toxic atmosphere around the club, more fan despair and will further establish us both as a laughing stock and a club firmly past its prime, accepting and even rewarding mediocrity.

The board/club needed to send a clear, strong message after the game on Sunday by sacking Solskjaer with an immediate effect - that such humiliations will not be tolerated in any way no matter who's the manager, yet the romanticism prevails once more.

Trying to be "different" from the rest of the big clubs is blindsiding us into obscurity here.
 
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