How good was peak Kaka?

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AC Milan is one of my soft spot teams outside the UK (other is Ajax).

When you look at Kaka's 4 top years at Milan vs the whole career of Zlatan that is still going on at 40 now even at Milan -

I wonder who do you regard as the better player?
 

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Kaka at his peak was unplayable. I remember getting knocked out by Milan in the CL where he absolutely bossed the game.
 

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AC Milan is one of my soft spot teams outside the UK (other is Ajax).

When you look at Kaka's 4 top years at Milan vs the whole career of Zlatan that is still going on at 40 now even at Milan -

I wonder who do you regard as the better player?
Kaka
 

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Peak Kaka was absolutely immense. Peak Kaka however wasnt around long enough to be considered an all time great is you ask me...
 

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Tad overrated imo. His peak was world class but so short it was almost a blip compared to his normal level.

So easy on the eye and good to watch during that period though. I can understand why so many have a soft spot for him.
 

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Think the first time I watched him play was the Deportivo first leg, was absolutely blown away by him, second leg not so much
 

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The difference between peak KdB and peak Kaka is that Kaka was more graceful, quicker, stronger, a better dribbler, and a better finisher. His peak lasted only three years, sadly.

In all my years of watching football, I'd pay money to see only four other players above the Kaka of Milan days - peak Ronaldinho, peak Messi, peak Ronaldo Nazário and peak Maradona.
 

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Kaka was what Ronaldinho would be if he didn't have his extreme art.

I consider Kaka to be a worse Brazilian version of Messi. Still a complete joy to watch.
 

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Can he make the top/GOAT tier?
For the GOAT tier, longevity is extremely important. In that regard, recent players like Cristiano Ronaldo, Zidane, Messi, and a few others should be considered much better than him - may be even lower than second-tier greats like Lampard, Gerrard, and Scholes.
 

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Kaka was what Ronaldinho would be if he didn't have his extreme art.

I consider Kaka to be a worse Brazilian version of Messi. Still a complete joy to watch.
That's not a bad shout.

Kaka was one of those players who just seemed to glide around the pitch. Not doing the kind of tricks and skills you imagine a Brazilian attacker to do. But he would just bounce defenders off and go past them with speed, close control and directness.

Pity what happened with the injuries. He was brilliant before that.
 

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That's not a bad shout.

Kaka was one of those players who just seemed to glide around the pitch. Not doing the kind of tricks and skills you imagine a Brazilian attacker to do. But he would just bounce defenders off and go past them with speed, close control and directness.

Pity what happened with the injuries. He was brilliant before that.
Yeah, indeed.

What stands out for me (and what I remember him for) is his physicality because the footballing skill was almost a given for a top-level Brazilian attacker at the time.
 

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Yeah, indeed.

What stands out for me (and what I remember him for) is his physicality because the footballing skill was almost a given for a top-level Brazilian attacker at the time.
Yeah. We were coming off the Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo axis. You expected Brazilian attacking midfielders to be more like Denilson: All drag backs and dummies. Even someone like little Juninho when he was at Middlesborough gave off that vibe. Something quite explosive.

Kaka was something different. He would just get the ball and start moving. It was like watching a well oiled car moving through the gears up to top speed. You wanna stop him but he's a big guy, with deceptive acceleration and he's just driving directly through your team. Really, really good player.
 

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Peak Kaka was absolutely immense. Peak Kaka however wasnt around long enough to be considered an all time great is you ask me...
Pretty much this. He was unique, I can't really think of a player like him in the current game (I don't get the KDB comparison at all, they very different)? He was rapid, skilful and could dribble basically at his sprinting speed but combined that with being a tank on the ball. People usually attribute skill and dribbling with a lack of physicality but he was a rare one who combined everything, sad injuries took their toll.
 

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Has there ever been a faster player with the ball at his feet?
 

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he used to float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Never seen any other attacking mid be so fluent.
 

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Has there ever been a faster player with the ball at his feet?
Well, a few can certainly challenge him in this regard — L. Ronaldo, Blokhin, Boniek, Bale (although he is worryingly close to the "kick and run" category)... but I doubt that there were a player who could easily claim to be significantly faster.
 

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Well, a few can certainly challenge him in this regard — L. Ronaldo, Blokhin, Boniek, Bale (although he is worryingly close to the "kick and run" category)... but I doubt that there were a player who could easily claim to be significantly faster.
Giggs?
 

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Watching him with the ball at his feet was like watching a work of art. So effortless and elegant, he’d literally glide across the pitch. Never seen it with any other footballer.

The term ”Rolls Royce player” is thrown around far too casually thesedays, but prime Kaka was the epitome of that.
 

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KDB is nothing like Kaka. I can’t think of a player in this era comparable.
Maybe Pogba when he plays in the 10?
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The last Best in the world player before Messi/Ronaldo.
I agree KDB and Kaka...nothing alike, I'd put him closer to Neymar probably. The dribbling was exquisite!
 

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He was futuristic in a way. His physical gifts were so far above 99.9% of his peers they made him virtually unstoppable

There is one play against iirc reggina, think it was his first season at milan(btw, i genuinely struggle to think of a player with a more devastating impact in his season in italy, at least back then when serie A was still the top dog), i remember watching his and seeing it overlap with Cruyff's run against west germany. It was uncanny, mind blowing really

Kaka could go 0-60 in like 2 steps, which was absurd in its own right, but the more absurd thing was the fact that once he got going he, just....kept accelerating, somehow...
 

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He's similar to most Brazilians when it comes to GOAT status. Had a very high peak but didn't sustain it long enough to be in GOAT conversation.
 

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For the GOAT tier, longevity is extremely important. In that regard, recent players like Cristiano Ronaldo, Zidane, Messi, and a few others should be considered much better than him - may be even lower than second-tier greats like Lampard, Gerrard, and Scholes.
His peak was far higher than Scholes. Also Ronaldo Nazario didn't last that long due to injuries and neither did Ronaldinho. Most Brazilians have short peaks but Kaka was an excellent plays for many years. He won Serie A footballer of the year after his 1st season also winning Serie A. he was excellent from the moment he got there. He was excellent in Brazil also. Longevity is nice but Kaka was excellent for 9 seasons. He scored 15 plus goals from midfield for nearly 8 seasons in a row and he also a playmaker. Many just bang on about CL season but I wanted him at United before then. I think he used to play RM for Milan in the early days and I felt he was better than Beckham. It actually pissed me off that United would never find these Brazilians before they got snapped up by foreign clubs
 

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Simple. any UTD fan can answer this by just simply pointing to the way he destroyed us over two legs. He Seedorf and Gattuso I feel dominated us even more than Xavi Iniesta and Busquets. We were completely outrun and out thought, and Kaka was absolutely unplayable. The way he drove with the ball, like he was gliding through air and then his finishing was world-class, he had the finishing of a seasoned No 9 and was deceptively quick too.
 

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Really, really, really great. A tier below peak Ronaldinho for me, but still insanely good. They don’t make them like him anymore.
 

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I still remember how he completely humiliated Carragher for Milan’s third goal in 2005. Such a good player at his peak. Would it be fair to call him a number 10? I seem to remember him playing for Milan at the head of a diamond or just behind a striker.
 

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Simple. any UTD fan can answer this by just simply pointing to the way he destroyed us over two legs. He Seedorf and Gattuso I feel dominated us even more than Xavi Iniesta and Busquets. We were completely outrun and out thought, and Kaka was absolutely unplayable. The way he drove with the ball, like he was gliding through air and then his finishing was world-class, he had the finishing of a seasoned No 9 and was deceptively quick too.
He ran the show when he destroyed us. Absolutely insane. Still remember his goal where he makes Heinze and Evra looked like a bumbling oaf and conference level defender.
 

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Very similar play style to R9 in my opinion. Very good player too. Probably as good as Romario at his peak, and I don’t say that as an insult.
 

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His assist for Crespo in the CL final is one of the best in the history of the game. That’s not hyperbole, it’s pretty much as perfect as an assist can be. And the nonchalant finish from Crespo just topped it off.
 

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While opposite in style he is like Ronaldinho in the way when he was at his peak he was unbelievable but it didn’t last long enough for him to be considered Elite level in history.
During his AC days he was so good and while he was probably best in the world or close for a few seasons he dropped off quite a bit
 

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His assist for Crespo in the CL final is one of the best in the history of the game. That’s not hyperbole, it’s pretty much as perfect as an assist can be. And the nonchalant finish from Crespo just topped it off.
Agreed, that pass is still the best assist I've ever seen since I start watching football. A player with such a unique skillset, he's as quick as Bale and can ping a ball as good as KDB, don't think there's a player with this kind of skillset nowadays, such a shame he's riddled with horrible injuries.