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He seems like a guy who prefer doing his own thing than winning. PSG for all the wealth is cut throat environment where different things dictates every day life of the manager and player.

I am not saying Poch situation is same as Tuchel. I am hypothesizing from Poch perspective. PSG has the players, but since it's difficult to get the tune out of all the superstar, a team good enough team that will listen to the manager, may be seen as better team for the manager. Ultimately you want to win CL. Why not start with a more comfortable environment? And United is the historical big club, he would actually like. Normally you're supposed to work it up to get to this kind of job. Now given the chance without proving the ability to win French league, itKs an attractive offer.

I repeat, this is hypothecial perspective.
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I’m a little confused or just not understanding where your coming from with your view.

How is the United job more comfortable? There’s superstars at United no one has been able to get a real tune out of, and it’s pretty piping hot the managers seat there at the moment. Much more uncomfortable than PSG at the moment.

PSG are 10 points or so at the top of the league and doing well enough in the CL at this stage, how’s that uncomfortable? That’s what managers relish isn’t it?
 

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It'll be Poch...no way we'll get a semi-decent manager for half a season to secure us 4th and then Hag comes in.

Poch is gonna be the man
 

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https://breakingthelines.com/tactic...the-tactics-behind-tottenhams-2016-17-season/
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Wow. This is essentially what we tried to do with Ole but he couldn't implement properly or consistently. It reminds me of the set up we had during project restart, with Matic dropping in. Like that spurs side, either one of Fernandes or Sancho can drop into the midfield. We already have the squad to implement this in the short term. The only two places for concern would be preserving Matic till we can get a proper DM and AWB's ability to hold width.

Imagine Greenwood closer to the box, or anyone of Fernandes/Sancho creating from slightly deeper. It would work. Even if it was shifted to a 3421.

The key for me is this. He's successfully implemented these tactics, which allowed his teams to consistently break down parked defences- something we've struggled with. He's an active modern manager that has show the ability to implement tactics in today's game, which means he also has the ability fully understand the modern player. He's worked in a high pressure environment. He's worked in the league, both with a dominant and a weaker team. He's also a pretty cooperativr figure, especially as he had to deal with notoriously difficult Levy, which means that he has the personality to work in a club like ours. He's not overly accomplished or arrogant, so wants to build a legacy. He's a good fit for the role.
 

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I’m a little confused or just not understanding where your coming from with your view.

How is the United job more comfortable? There’s superstars at United no one has been able to get a real tune out of, and it’s pretty piping hot the managers seat there at the moment. Much more uncomfortable than PSG at the moment.

PSG are 10 points or so at the top of the league and doing well enough in the CL at this stage, how’s that uncomfortable? That’s what managers relish isn’t it?
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PSG requires you to win in style. Winning the French league is routine regardless of manager. 10 points off the top means nothing where they're not playing convincingly, so fan and French media already letting their unhappiness known. The ultimate pressure is to win CL, which is difficult for anyone. Not winning CL may as well mean sacking in the end.

So in comparison, we already writing off our league title challenge. He's afforded some breath space. He may try his luck at CL, but there is no pressure to win. If we (god forbidden) drop out again, it's even more comfortable for him to settle in.United managers have more say in transfer, so if he comes here, he at least gonna get some of his players.
 

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ti vu said:
PSG requires you to win in style. Winning the French league is routine regardless of manager. 10 points off the top means nothing where they're not playing convincingly, so fan and French media already letting their unhappiness known. The ultimate pressure is to win CL, which is difficult for anyone. Not winning CL may as well mean sacking in the end.

So in comparison, we already writing off our league title challenge. He's afforded some breath space. He may try his luck at CL, but there is no pressure to win. If we (god forbidden) drop out again, it's even more comfortable for him to settle in.United managers have more say in transfer, so if he comes here, he at least gonna get some of his players.
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The prestige for the Qataris with PSG as CL winners ahead of the World Cup in….Qatar. Added to Zidane’s CL pedigree, it’s on!
 

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ti vu said:
PSG requires you to win in style. Winning the French league is routine regardless of manager. 10 points off the top means nothing where they're not playing convincingly, so fan and French media already letting their unhappiness known. The ultimate pressure is to win CL, which is difficult for anyone. Not winning CL may as well mean sacking in the end.

So in comparison, we already writing off our league title challenge. He's afforded some breath space. He may try his luck at CL, but there is no pressure to win. If we (god forbidden) drop out again, it's even more comfortable for him to settle in.United managers have more say in transfer, so if he comes here, he at least gonna get some of his players.
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I completely disagree. They’re there to win the CL and it doesn’t matter what style they win it in. They’re desperate for that trophy. They were happy to sit back in every knockout game last year and hit sides on the break
 

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I would not be bothered one bit if he went to United, he just hasn't shown me anything special in his one year at PSG so far, he may be overrated by some. He's had one good half so far this entire season where the team actually looked consistently threatening, and that was last game against Nantes. The decisions he's made, some of the positioning of the players, and the overall performances just aren't good enough, but there's no way PSG let him go without a fortune and a proper replacement. I wouldn't be surprised that he'd come to the Premier League and do better, but I'd be more intrigued with a manager like Zidane or Ten Hag for either of United or PSG. I also don't think his situation gets any easier at United either and he will struggle to get a tune out of the squad, or results when they matter.
 

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I completely disagree. They’re there to win the CL and it doesn’t matter what style they win it in. They’re desperate for that trophy. They were happy to sit back in every knockout game last year and hit sides on the break
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That's forgiving since Poch took charge mid season. Carrying on like that into this season with extra super star injection, understandably the displeasure is growing.

With the quality they posses, they may win it the ugly way. Sure. However, their showings so far this season in CL doesn't give much of that belief. In all their game thus far, they're there for the taking. Result may be good so far, but it's very difficult to think they can get over the line under Poch continuing playing like this. Poch doesn't have the convincing salesman pitch for the ugly football like Mourinho, so it's just difficult to keep player confidence and buying into the plan, playing this way.
 

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I would not be bothered one bit if he went to United, he just hasn't shown me anything special in his one year at PSG so far, he may be overrated by some. He's had one good half so far this entire season where the team actually looked consistently threatening, and that was last game against Nantes. The decisions he's made, some of the positioning of the players, and the overall performances just aren't good enough, but there's no way PSG let him go without a fortune and a proper replacement. I wouldn't be surprised that he'd come to the Premier League and do better, but I'd be more intrigued with a manager like Zidane or Ten Hag for either of United or PSG. I also don't think his situation gets any easier at United either and he will struggle to get a tune out of the squad, or results when they matter.
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How do you rate galtier in comparison?
 

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Pochettino is clearly trying to will this into existence.
 

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How do you rate galtier in comparison?
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Oh that's impossible to answer, I think they are both good tacticians and Galtier is as good as it gets when you want to speak about French managers (and you can count the good ones on one hand). The thing is, United or PSG, those are completely different beasts to manage for anybody out there. In both clubs, there are factors outside of simply the manager and the players that make the job difficult. It takes a very special personality or presence to not just manage the players, but actually the club as well and all of the technical directors, executives, etc. We've seen it done at United in the past, but I've yet to see it being possible at PSG since QSI took over.
 

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Makes no sense to leave now, getting his league title, and a decent shot the CL too, given the talent at his disposal.

I just can't believe it, if he leaves mid-season as things stands.
 

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Makes no sense to leave now, getting his league title, and a decent shot the CL too, given the talent at his disposal.

I just can't believe it, if he leaves mid-season as things stands.
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Makes total sense to me.

Miles bigger club, more control, much better long term prospects.

He’s not staying at PsG long term, and the chances of winning the CL are slim.
 

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Who ever say to next for the summer has already given up. I cannot see Carrick steering this club to top 4, seeing him sitting beside Ole both looking passive and out of ideas. Pot should be approach immediately as far as I am concern. We need champion league next year as a club. We still have a chance to proceed further in the champion league. Look at Chelsea did and where they are now. You don't spend the season when there is something to salvage. Bring him in immediately!
 

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Would anyone find it concerning that he'd be willing to jump ship from that psg squad midseason?

He should be looking to win a CL with the group he's got. Doesn't come across very ambitious if he'd be willing to let that go for a too 4 battle here
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Pochs family is in london still, so he is eager to get back to the uk.
 

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A good point I read on Twitter, this fella was apparently willing to go back to Spurs this season so of course he'd come to Man Utd now.
 

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So you think it's him wanting to come now whereas we are happy to play the waiting game to see if we can land Ten Hag
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I think he wants out of PSG. He can come in now permanently. If he wants to wait for the summer we’ll have more options.

I do think itll be Poch, and it’ll happen very quickly.
 

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I think he wants out of PSG. He can come in now permanently. If he wants to wait for the summer we’ll have more options.

I do think itll be Poch, and it’ll happen very quickly.
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It's not up to Poch, it's up to PSG. I think they'll have no problems letting him go based on the performances, but not without a proper replacement. Short of that, they will most likely let him go by the summer and there will be competition for the best managers out there. I do get the sense of urgency for United though because Carrick as a caretaker sounds like just a continuation of the Ole trainwreck which could cost the CL next season.
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Makes total sense to me.

Miles bigger club, more control, much better long term prospects.

He’s not staying at PsG long term, and the chances of winning the CL are slim.
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No, makes exactly zero sense.

Come summer its a different discussion, but right now it makes zero sense, at all.
 

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It's not up to Poch, it's up to PSG. I think they'll have no problems letting him go based on the performances, but not without a proper replacement. Short of that, they will most likely let him go by the summer and there will be competition for the best managers out there. I do get the sense of urgency for United though because Carrick as a caretaker sounds like just a continuation of the Ole trainwreck which could cost the CL next season.
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If he doesn’t want to be there, and Zidane is willing I think PSG would be more than happy to cut ties.

Didn’t Tuchel leave in the French winter break? I could see something similar happening here.
 

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No, makes exactly zero sense.

Come summer its a different discussion, but right now it makes zero sense, at all.
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Manchester United in the Premier League, one of the biggest clubs in the World, in the best league in the World. A long term project.
PSG, not even traditionally the biggest club in Ligue 1, facing the sack the second he gets knocked out of the CL, a competition has has a very very slim chance of winning.
“Zero sense”, get out man.
 

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It’s the Manchester United job; it makes complete sense. He’s at PSG for feck sake, not Madrid.
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Its not about clubs, its about trophies, PSG he has one locked down, good chances at the big one, despite what some here may say.

At United? Secure 4th place, i guess?

Again, makes zero sense, at all, simple as that.
 

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A good point I read on Twitter, this fella was apparently willing to go back to Spurs this season so of course he'd come to Man Utd now.
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Yep, I think once PSG managers get there - they run up against Leonardo and probably regret getting involved. It's an inferior league so you must end up just living for the CL nights, if it is true he was open to a Spurs return, we can 100% get him.

Ironically, City could do us a favour here. PSG seem such a volatile club, a bad loss against a rival nation state club might start a bit of a chain reaction.
 

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I’m not actually in favour of Poch but one thing I will say is that at least he’s showing his willingness to come (if these reports are true).

I want Ten Hag but I have a major issue with this won’t leave now stuff. Surely you can’t turn down the opportunity? You might not get it again.
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TH will get plenty of opportunities from big clubs.
 

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Its not about clubs, its about trophies, PSG he has one locked down, good chances at the big one, despite what some here may say.

At United? Secure 4th place, i guess?

Again, makes zero sense, at all, simple as that.
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It isn’t as simple as that. It’s the Manchester United job on a bloody plate. He’s at PSG. It’s a non-competition.
 

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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Manchester United in the Premier League, one of the biggest clubs in the World.
PSG, not even traditionally the biggest club in Ligue 1.

“Zero sense”, get out man.
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"WAAH our club is so much bigger"

Doesn't matter, your club could be infinitely much bigger, leaving mid-season like that is silly, plain and simple(if it happens).
 

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Morty_ said:
"WAAH our club is so much bigger"

Doesn't matter, your club could be infinitely much bigger, leaving mid-season like that is silly, plain and simple(if it happens).
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Oh it’s “silly”.

Plenty of players join bigger clubs mid-season, that silly too?

I’d argue turning down something of a dream job, in the best league, for a tiny chance at winning a CL is “silly”. City, Bayern, Chelsea & Liverpool will likely knock out PSG as soon as they meet in the knockouts. At that point Poch will be out of a job and who knows if this opportunity still exists, maybe we go Ten Hag if we have to wait till Summer.
 
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