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I remember watching Poch spurs team and at time had Dembele in the midfield. He was class. Do we have anyone in our midfield that can do what he done? Can carry the ball forward, drive from midfield.

Can see Poch upgrading our midfield 1st then and right full back. Will he bring Tripper in????
I'd like to think bringing Poch in will herald the end of signing overrated English players like Shaw/Maguire/Rice or Trippier. Agreed DM will definitely be priority though.
 

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He's like my nightmare for a manchester united manager.

Look at the way the club was desperately hanging onto Ole as he went one low to another. He'll probably be too good to actually to sink to the depths Solskjaer had to get himself sacked. So we'll be stuck with him in 3rd-4th place for 6 years, with nothing else to show for it.
This is very very true. I guess you could say that for any manager but we always feel that new lows wouldn't be hit but they always are.
 

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In terms of Pochettino's time at Tottenham and the club's finances at the time, it goes without saying that expenditure on wages is typically a significantly more important driver and barometer of success than gross or net transfer fees.

In 4 consecutive seasons he led Tottenham to top 4 finishes, usually comfortably, with a wage bill that was well below that of the other members of the 'big 6'. I believe that around 80% of the time in the 21st century, teams that have finished in the top 4 in the Premier League have had one of the top 4 wage bills, so along with Leicester during their miracle title winning season his Tottenham team were a notable exception to the usual rule.

For a sizeable portion of his time at Spurs, I think that West Ham's wage bill was much closer to theirs, than theirs was to any of the other members of the big 6. In fact for a portion of that time, wasn't Burnley's wage bill closer to theirs?

Of course when Pochettino and Ten Hag went head to head in the Champions League semis in 2019, Ajax's budget across the board was significantly smaller than Tottenham's with several members of the Tottenham team having been signed from Ajax.
 

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I don't get this, we can say that he has done a good job at Tottenham but he didn't make them punch above their weight. He had a starting eleven of high level internationals, including the best striker in the league and France captain as goalkeeper. For some reason people are blind to what Pochettino actually had, if there is one thing that should be said about Tottenham and it's not really something relevant for us is that they somehow managed to keep that much quality with a relatively small wage bill that's not replicable for United or any bigger club and it's not relevant in how you evaluate Pochettino because the wage bill didn't take starting talents away from his team outside of Walker.

Pochettino is a good coach and he has done a good job at Tottenham but lets not go too far with the praises.
So you honestly think Spurs should be reaching Champions league finals and finishing regularly in the top four? So why have Spurs crumbled since he left since the same players were there in the short term after he left?
 

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They did it once, it's a cup these things happen. His next best results over 6 seasons is the round of 16 whether we talk about CL or EL. If we evaluate his tenure surely we can't really do it with outliers?
You can be disingenuous. Im not even saying his tenure didnt have issues or was all that great. However we don’t need to discredit his achievements.

Spurs were not even playing UCL regularly before his arrival so last 16s and a final during his tenure is a good outcome
 

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Also didn't he get Spurs to remove their DOF a few seasons after he was hired? He doesn't like working under that structure. So again, are we going to make up another hybrid role where our head coach isn't going to be reporting to Murtough?
Same position names doesn't mean they're the same structure or processes. All I know is ManUnited is pretty clueless as a whole including the board. So it must be a dream for a manager than wants to have control. They can easily trick those muppets into believing whatever the manager suggests, especially when the results show for it. Would ManUnited have denied Poch big transfer fees to improve and regenerate the team after getting into CL final? not in a million years, they will be celebrating quarter or semifinal let alone a final. United 90% believed in Ole, the 10% were negotiations for transfers and even that Ole still got what he wanted including Ronaldo.
 
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He had taken his trusted quartet of assistants with him to Paris Saint-Germain, including his son Sebastiano.
Miguel D’Agostino (first-team coach), Jesus Pérez (performance), Toni Jimenez (goalkeeper coach) and his son Sebastiano (sports scientist).
D’Agostino, Pérez and Jimenez have worked with Pochettino throughout his managerial career, at Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham.
Speaking in November 2018, Pérez explained: “He (Pochettino) is very close with us. He's a very uncommon manager, because I've had experience with other ones and they've been different. If he discusses a new contract then first it's our contract and then afterwards his contract. Things like that mean so much. He never puts himself first.”

The trio have long links with the manager. Argentine D’Agostino played alongside him at Newell’s Old Boys, Jimenez was a team-mate at Espanyol, and Perez joined him as an analyst at the Spanish club at the start of his managerial career.

Ben Rosen, now the first-team fitness coach at Copenhagen, worked with the quartet at Southampton and told TGG: “There is a lot of loyalty both ways between Mauricio and his three assistants. He was with them at Espanyol and also took them to Southampton and Spurs. I think they’ll be together as long as Mauricio is a manager."

https://trainingground.guru/articles/pochettino-takes-trusted-quartet-of-assistants-to-psg
 

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He had taken his trusted quartet of assistants with him to Paris Saint-Germain, including his son Sebastiano.
Miguel D’Agostino (first-team coach), Jesus Pérez (performance), Toni Jimenez (goalkeeper coach) and his son Sebastiano (sports scientist).
D’Agostino, Pérez and Jimenez have worked with Pochettino throughout his managerial career, at Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham.
Speaking in November 2018, Pérez explained: “He (Pochettino) is very close with us. He's a very uncommon manager, because I've had experience with other ones and they've been different. If he discusses a new contract then first it's our contract and then afterwards his contract. Things like that mean so much. He never puts himself first.”

The trio have long links with the manager. Argentine D’Agostino played alongside him at Newell’s Old Boys, Jimenez was a team-mate at Espanyol, and Perez joined him as an analyst at the Spanish club at the start of his managerial career.

Ben Rosen, now the first-team fitness coach at Copenhagen, worked with the quartet at Southampton and told TGG: “There is a lot of loyalty both ways between Mauricio and his three assistants. He was with them at Espanyol and also took them to Southampton and Spurs. I think they’ll be together as long as Mauricio is a manager."

https://trainingground.guru/articles/pochettino-takes-trusted-quartet-of-assistants-to-psg
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You can be disingenuous. Im not even saying his tenure didnt have issues or was all that great. However we don’t need to discredit his achievements.

Spurs were not even playing UCL regularly before his arrival so last 16s and a final during his tenure is a good outcome
How is that disingenuous? We are talking about his tenure at Tottenham not isolated events. I don't put an emphasis on some of their horrible results and I also don't put an emphasis on the one time they do something. And here is my point, they played in EL for three seasons under Pochettino and never went further than round of 16, they played 4 seasons in the CL 1 season they didn't go further than the group stage, two seasons no further than round of 16 and also one final. The final isn't representative of their European performances, he didn't had them punch above their weight.

If anything Pochettino is a manager that you can rely on to see your team achieve its potential but not punch above its weight.
 

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How is that disingenuous? We are talking about his tenure at Tottenham not isolated events. I don't put an emphasis on some of their horrible results and I also don't put an emphasis on the one time they do something. And here is my point, they played in EL for three seasons under Pochettino and never went further than round of 16, they played 4 seasons in the CL 1 season they didn't go further than the group stage, two seasons no further than round of 16 and also one final. The final isn't representative of their European performances, he didn't had them punch above their weight.

If anything Pochettino is a manager that you can rely on to see your team achieve its potential but not punch above its weight.
What he did domestically with Spurs I think is far more reflective of whether he can get a team punching above its weight. Champions League football is a different ball game, one which his squad of players mostly had little experience of progressing in, and him too. It's fair to say he learned the ropes eventually and I have little doubt he can transcend better pedigree on the European front with our squad of players at his disposal.

I think generally with Spurs he punched above his weight a lot. Finishing in top 4 as many times the way he did, officially displacing Arsenal, moving us aside, etc. He would finish 3rd in their highest ever finish one season, and then hit 86 points with 2nd the next. That back to back season performance is not reflective of a fluke but more a sustained over-achievement. I always think the strongest managers are those who show domestic league pedigree, as long as we are talking about the Premier League. Cup runs have way too many variables and its an easier format to adapt to after a bit of experience.
 

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How is that disingenuous? We are talking about his tenure at Tottenham not isolated events. I don't put an emphasis on some of their horrible results and I also don't put an emphasis on the one time they do something. And here is my point, they played in EL for three seasons under Pochettino and never went further than round of 16, they played 4 seasons in the CL 1 season they didn't go further than the group stage, two seasons no further than round of 16 and also one final. The final isn't representative of their European performances, he didn't had them punch above their weight.

If anything Pochettino is a manager that you can rely on to see your team achieve its potential but not punch above its weight.
The team that finished 2nd in 16/17 definitely punched above its weight, that wasn't the 2nd best squad in the league.
 

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So you honestly think Spurs should be reaching Champions league finals and finishing regularly in the top four? So why have Spurs crumbled since he left since the same players were there in the short term after he left?
No, I think that Tottenham with the player at their disposal should have been perennial QF participants in EL or CL and I most definitely think that the 5th best team in the league over the past 6 seasons should finish regularly in the top 4 after improving their starting eleven the way they did, in particular after adding a +25 goals striker, having one of the best goalkeeper in the league and adding good CBs. And it's even more obvious when Arsenal fell off a cliff.
 

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Had a lower winning percentage at spurs than AVB
 

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How is that disingenuous? We are talking about his tenure at Tottenham not isolated events. I don't put an emphasis on some of their horrible results and I also don't put an emphasis on the one time they do something. And here is my point, they played in EL for three seasons under Pochettino and never went further than round of 16, they played 4 seasons in the CL 1 season they didn't go further than the group stage, two seasons no further than round of 16 and also one final. The final isn't representative of their European performances, he didn't had them punch above their weight.

If anything Pochettino is a manager that you can rely on to see your team achieve its potential but not punch above its weight.
Considering our financial muscle, that would be a solid start, to be fair.
 

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Blimey, didnt know he spent that much. That is alot of money.
It wasn't that much when you average it out - he spent 362M over 5 seasons averaging 72.5 per season - his most expensive buy was Ndombele at 54M, that's about the same as Fred or AWB.
 

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The team that finished 2nd in 16/17 definitely punched above its weight, that wasn't the 2nd best squad in the league.
It was pretty close to the second best squad. I really think that you guys are underrating that Spurs team. Just an example City had Clichy, Sagna, Otamendi, Navas starting and poor goalkeeping. Spurs arguably had their best starting eleven of Pochettino era.


---------------------Lloris
Walker---Alder----Vertonghen----Rose
-----------Wanyama--Dembélé
Son---------------Eriksen-----------All
----------------------Kane

The also had Dier, Sissoko and barely used Trippier. Again I insist he is a good coach but you guys are underrating what he actual had in order to inflate his resume. Liverpool and Arsenal had far worse teams, United underachieved and City were a mix of talented players and has beens.
 

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I think he became too negative during his time with Spurs. His Saints side would press high up the pitch but now he's transforming into a defensive italian-style coach.
 

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It was pretty close to the second best squad. I really think that you guys are underrating that Spurs team. Just an example City had Clichy, Sagna, Otamendi, Navas starting and poor goalkeeping. Spurs arguably had their best starting eleven of Pochettino era.


---------------------Lloris
Walker---Alder----Vertonghen----Rose
-----------Wanyama--Dembélé
Son---------------Eriksen-----------All
----------------------Kane

The also had Dier, Sissoko and barely used Trippier. Again I insist he is a good coach but you guys are underrating what he actual had in order to inflate his resume. Liverpool and Arsenal had far worse teams, United underachieved and City were a mix of talented players and has beens.
Yes that's a great team apart from the midfield which was still functional. Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Walker, Eriksen and Kane would've got into any PL XI back then.
 

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Also didn't he get Spurs to remove their DOF a few seasons after he was hired? He doesn't like working under that structure. So again, are we going to make up another hybrid role where our head coach isn't going to be reporting to Murtough?
This is true and it's something I've brought up in the past. It's definitely a worry and I can see him and the recruitment department potentially clashing over signings unless they make it clear to him that he's the head coach and not the manager.
 

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Yes that's a great team apart from the midfield which was still functional. Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Walker, Eriksen and Kane would've got into any PL XI back then.
Functional was what they needed, it's what works for Pochettino and generally teams with a high intensive press.
 

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No, I think that Tottenham with the player at their disposal should have been perennial QF participants in EL or CL and I most definitely think that the 5th best team in the league over the past 6 seasons should finish regularly in the top 4 after improving their starting eleven the way they did, in particular after adding a +25 goals striker, having one of the best goalkeeper in the league and adding good CBs. And it's even more obvious when Arsenal fell off a cliff.
This is completely underplaying it. The jump from Top 6 to Top 4 is absolutely huge. Since Abramovic arrived & changed football two decades ago, only 3 new teams have got into the top 4 for more than a single season - Chelsea, City and Spurs under Poch - and two of them used vast amounts of oil money to do it. Pochettino spent no more than an upper-mid table team.

There are totally legitimate concerns about Poch. Never winning at least a cup with Spurs is a black mark and his football I've never found very pleasing, for example. But trying to make out that what he did with Spurs was sort of routine is a huge reach.
 

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This is true and it's something I've brought up in the past. It's definitely a worry and I can see him and the recruitment department potentially clashing over signings unless they make it clear to him that he's the head coach and not the manager.
Even more concerning was that the quality of their signings deteriorated as he got more influential. The likes of Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Son, Eriksen were signed prior to him or under the DOF structure
 

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Even more concerning was that the quality of their signings deteriorated as he got more influential. The likes of Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Son, Eriksen were signed prior to him or under the DOF structure
I think the budgets that Spurs have is different to what United have. He will get £40/50m to spend on a player easy compare to him buying for lower amounts.

No manager has got all signings right, with Spurs you know Levy gets heavily involved.
 

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Even more concerning was that the quality of their signings deteriorated as he got more influential. The likes of Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Son, Eriksen were signed prior to him or under the DOF structure
Levy has now gone back to the DoF model, which shows his naivety. No club should give recruitment control to a employee that has a short shelf life.
 

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This is completely underplaying it. The jump from Top 6 to Top 4 is absolutely huge. Since Abramovic arrived & changed football two decades ago, only 3 new teams have got into the top 4 for more than a single season - Chelsea, City and Spurs under Poch - and two of them used vast amounts of oil money to do it. Pochettino spent no more than an upper-mid table team.

There are totally legitimate concerns about Poch. Never winning at least a cup with Spurs is a black mark and his football I've never found very pleasing, for example. But trying to make out that what he did with Spurs was sort of routine is a huge reach.
How was that huge? With Arsenal and United not being top 4 caliber, it wasn't even a jump and outside of one season Liverpool were barely a top 6 team during those years.

Not only you guys aren't looking at the team he actually had but also not looking at where the team around him were. The only reach is to act as if the top 4 was similar to the mid 2000s.
 

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I think the budgets that Spurs have is different to what United have. He will get £40/50m to spend on a player easy compare to him buying for lower amounts.

No manager has got all signings right, with Spurs you know Levy gets heavily involved.
Spurs assembled him a really good team though on a budget.

Pochettino got promoted to manager 2017 and they got rid of Mitchell at the same time. Since then they spunked a good amount of money on Davidson Sanchez (£40m), Lo Celso (£40m), Ndombele (£50m). None of his big signings have lived up to it with Moura for £25m probably being the best of the lot.
 

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I remember watching Poch spurs team and at time had Dembele in the midfield. He was class. Do we have anyone in our midfield that can do what he done? Can carry the ball forward, drive from midfield.

Can see Poch upgrading our midfield 1st then and right full back. Will he bring Tripper in????
We don't have anyone near as good as Dembele was.

The first two postions any manager will want to recruit for this team is CM and RB, if they were looking elsewhere I'd have concerns from the start.
 

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It wasn't that much when you average it out - he spent 362M over 5 seasons averaging 72.5 per season - his most expensive buy was Ndombele at 54M, that's about the same as Fred or AWB.
About £100m of that was in his final window as well and he left soon after so never really got to benefit from it.

As it turns out that was an awful window but then you don't know how those players would have done under Poch.
 

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Spurs assembled him a really good team though on a budget.

Pochettino got promoted to manager 2017 and they got rid of Mitchell at the same time. Since then they spunked a good amount of money on Davidson Sanchez (£40m), Lo Celso (£40m), Ndombele (£50m). None of his big signings have lived up to it with Moura for £25m probably being the best of the lot.
I agree that they haven't lived up to it, I also do remember the meltdown we had on here when Ndombole joined Spurs over United?

Also, Lo Celso was his second choice, Bruno was his first choice, the only reason they got Lo Celso is because he was cheaper, loan with obligation to buy.
 

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Spurs assembled him a really good team though on a budget.

Pochettino got promoted to manager 2017 and they got rid of Mitchell at the same time. Since then they spunked a good amount of money on Davidson Sanchez (£40m), Lo Celso (£40m), Ndombele (£50m). None of his big signings have lived up to it with Moura for £25m probably being the best of the lot.
Yeah these are a bit sucky transfers it has to be said.
 

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It was pretty close to the second best squad. I really think that you guys are underrating that Spurs team. Just an example City had Clichy, Sagna, Otamendi, Navas starting and poor goalkeeping. Spurs arguably had their best starting eleven of Pochettino era.


---------------------Lloris
Walker---Alder----Vertonghen----Rose
-----------Wanyama--Dembélé
Son---------------Eriksen-----------All
----------------------Kane

The also had Dier, Sissoko and barely used Trippier. Again I insist he is a good coach but you guys are underrating what he actual had in order to inflate his resume. Liverpool and Arsenal had far worse teams, United underachieved and City were a mix of talented players and has beens.
Reading your post, I get the impression he was victim of his own success.

How highly was a few of these players held prior to Pochettino? What have they done after Pochettino? Alli (25), Eriksen (29) and Rose (31), Alderweireld (32).

What had Alderweireld, Dembele and Vertonghen done prior to Pochettino? I remember the frustration Spurs-fans launched at the former two before Pochettino came in. Danny Rose was a midfielder, and did not look like he would make it. Dier looked better between 20 and 24 than he has done since. Same with Alli.

Hindsight is a bitch sometimes. In this case, not only the players started buying in to their own hype, but also fans.
 

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Spurs assembled him a really good team though on a budget.

Pochettino got promoted to manager 2017 and they got rid of Mitchell at the same time. Since then they spunked a good amount of money on Davidson Sanchez (£40m), Lo Celso (£40m), Ndombele (£50m). None of his big signings have lived up to it with Moura for £25m probably being the best of the lot.
But Poch regularly stated he had little influence over transfers and that his job title should be changed to coach because of that (e.g. below post ndombele signings). Seems like levy was very much making the signings and the team he was left with was worse than the one he inherited. Levy chose a particularly poor time to be stingy because their squad was in dire need of refreshing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49175446
 

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Jesus Perez says no.

I think we should get rid of everyone from Ole’s team. They did not do a good job and we need fresh air and ideas.
I say it again, we don't know who of the coaches who are good or not. It might be that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but the manager doesn't want his ideas or vision.

It's pure speculation and it's bizarre
 

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I say it again, we don't know who of the coaches who are good or not. It might be that Carrick is a fantastic coach, but the manager doesn't want his ideas or vision.

It's pure speculation and it's bizarre
Carrick literally came out yesterday and said he has a similar philosophy to Ole. Which even if true was a pretty stupid thing to say.
 
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