Ten Hag may not win anything of note but he has got Ajax playing in a certain way and that is a good passing game. Poch at Spurs was never good in that implementation. With better players Ten Hag can get a team to be much better for sure.
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No I dont think they are. I think they have had their fingers badly burnt on doing the ex player thing. Woodward will want to get a name in now before he packs the CEO in and becomes just a consultant.
Fair points. But I don't think Pochettino hardly had it all his own way under Levy. I think having Levy as your chairman definitely counts as 'constraints'. We have so much quality in the squad compared to that Spurs team he had. I mean he had an amazing first 11 and peak Eriksen, Alderweireld and Vertonghen but the depth beyond the first 11 was shallow. An addition or two and this squad is good to go. I have reservations that some of the problems he's facing at PSG may present again here with some galacticos. But I really think PSG must be a horrible squad to manage, look at what happened to Tuchel. Also player power there must be through the roof because they know they are gonna win the league pretty much every season even if mickey mouse was in charge. There's enough differences for me to believe he'd work well here.
I was disappointed Ole didn't try to bring more youngsters into the squad on a regular basis. He rattled on about it when he first got the job, started doing it, then when the pressure built stopped. A bit like when we send kids out on loan and that club will not risk putting a kid in if they are in a relegation battle.
Totally. There can be no real football fan without admiration for Ajax.
Yup especially as City have the structure for him. Excited about Poch though. He plays nice football, builds a team and plays youth. Ten Hag is a big risk. How would he do in a club completely unset up for the way Ajax operate?
I think the Ajax team does as well. They didnt press Dortmund for the entire game, 10 years ago an Eredivisie top team couldn't compete with a Bundesliga top team at all when it comes to intensity and fitness. Now Ajax and Dortmund looked like equals, Ajax even better coached.
Pressing is difficult, that's why only the best coaches can implement it succesfully. Ole could never do it, he didn't have a clue how to do it. The amount of times you see individuals just pressing based on their emotion (think of Bruno, sometimes Ronaldo). It is embarassing, there was absolutely nothing behind it.
Will he even be on the PSG bench tomorrow for their game against City when apparently his mind is not on it anymore but on United? 
Ajax were impressive no doubt, but all I'm saying is that wasn't enough to really make waves across the wider footballing world yet. Hence why only now is he starting to get linked with the biggest jobs around. Without doubt many people here have only really looked into him recently and I include myself in that. Of course we like what we see and what we've heard, but I do find some of the responses overboard like he's the only possible option and it would be a disaster to miss out on him when I'm sure many have probably seen less than 10 games of his.
If we hire the following manager, I predict the Caf's comments in 2023:
i) Poch, the former hipster's choice: The nearly man -- as usual the Glazers make such poor choices.
ii) Ten Hag, current hipster's choice: The Dutch Eredivisie was just too big a jump. Murtough/Fletch are incompetent. Glazers out!
iii) Brandon: A(another) nearly man! Yet we hired him. Arnold's completely useless! Glazers out!
Uber-Hipster: We need Joachim Low or Marco Rose now!!! Get it done Glazers!
i) Poch, the former hipster's choice: The nearly man -- as usual the Glazers make such poor choices.
ii) Ten Hag, current hipster's choice: The Dutch Eredivisie was just too big a jump. Murtough/Fletch are incompetent. Glazers out!
iii) Brandon: A(another) nearly man! Yet we hired him. Arnold's completely useless! Glazers out!
Uber-Hipster: We need Joachim Low or Marco Rose now!!! Get it done Glazers!
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It is understandable, but sad. My biggest problem is that the players who he kept ahead of them are of no use to United, so why not. Why give them big contracts/not try to move them out.
Some stupid loans as well, Tuanzebe is on the bench at Villa, Pellistri on the bench at Alaves. It is completely stupid, the club lacks so much vision.
Ole talked a lot of shit sadly. What he said very rarely manifested itself on the pitch. It’s one of the things that annoyed me most about him. All that crap about the United Way. Like sure, the United Way was to never stop trying and eventually win a game in Fergie time. Usually though we hadn’t gone 2-0 before we started trying. And Ole’s record on youth was appalling. Who did he actually bring through? Greenwood. A generational talent that was going to force his way through anyway. Ole and youth is a myth. The only thing one he played youth was when he was coaching the reserves.
It is but it shouldn't be, though. Yes the manager has to be willing to take the job but we should know who our ideal candidate is and sell our project to him. Look at what City did to get Pep in place - a serious amount of leg work was put in to ensure he had everything in place and they've reaped the rewards since. I don't think Klopp saw Liverpool as his dream either, but liked the project they sold to him and the idea of restoring them to former glories.
There's not necessarily a candidate of that calibre currently available, but the likes of Flick and Nagelsmann have moved in the past year. The fact we never plan ahead means we will always miss out on elite candidates.
You have to put your money where your mouth is.
If you make a statement about youth being part of the clubs identity and then don't provide those opportunities for them in either pressured or non-pressured scenarios, then it's a contradiction of that profession, and at worst, an expose that at heart, you do not trust the youth.
It has been rightly said that Mata and Lingard are but two players who could have made way for the inclusion of Hannibal and Amad, respectively. Now, they've been injured, nonetheless, even uninjured they haven't been in contention. Even this week I'm watching Palmer starting false 9 for City, a team competing with Chelsea and Liverpool for the title.
I think it easily did, that Ajax team had so much hyped and grew so much in terms of social media presence, the values of all the players sky-rocketed for Eredivisie standards. Many neutrals were even backing them to win the entire tournament.
I think why he is seen as the chosen one, is that people have realised how good Pep/Klopp are and he is of a similar style and attainable. Even if you havent watched Ajax play 10 times, you can see the difference to that side and Ole's United. The detail in coaching, players knowing what to do, the patterns in that play, you don't need to watch 50 Ajax matches to see what's behind that.
There are few managers out there that can do this succesfully consistently, mainly Klopp/Pep, to a bit lesser extent Tuchel/Nagelsmann/Gasperini etc. Ten Hag seems to be the next one that can catapult his career like Klopp/Tuchel. Stylistically, few teams are playing better football than Ajax over the past years, even in the CL and that is what makes it so impressive as he is doing this with far less resources.
It is true that his style of play and vision suits Ajax, but none of de Boer, Bosz, Keizer could achieve that like this.
I can never understand why we are relatively rubbish at finding good loans for our kids. We get the odd one right, but most go out and I suppose all it did was show that was their level, rather than it being a step on the road to the first team.
Ten Hag maybe nowhere near the success he is in Ajax. For one he has a good structure behind him and his job is head coach. He has the players bought for him that suit the layout of the club from youth to first team. Here he hasnt got nowhere near that backing and will have to identify some players himself.
Also here he will be playing and competing against some world class or as near as dammit teams regularly in the Premier. He may (I dont know) be able to play weaker teams in the Dutch division before Champions League games as he has no real competition in 90% of the games. In the Prem the middle and most lower teams are above the standard of most of the Dutch teams.
Obviously he could be a success here, but its not a shoe in he will.
Also here he will be playing and competing against some world class or as near as dammit teams regularly in the Premier. He may (I dont know) be able to play weaker teams in the Dutch division before Champions League games as he has no real competition in 90% of the games. In the Prem the middle and most lower teams are above the standard of most of the Dutch teams.
Obviously he could be a success here, but its not a shoe in he will.
It's going to be Pochettino. I'm quite excited about it.
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You look at how Chelsea develop their mass of kids. Yes some seem to be on loan until they retire, but look what good loans did for Mason Mount and Reece James. Maybe the club need a change of attitude with their kids, you haven't made it yet, you have to show us that you're good enough, that you want to be the best.
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I dont think thats imperative at United, perhaps to identify players capable of fitting a system but we have far greater resources. The question mark with poch is whether he is capable of winning big trophies.
The view on rival fins forums is that they arent too concerned about his appointment, for what that's worth.
Would you accept Pep
This is where the idiocy comes in. I never said it has to be successful. But you can see it.
Its like the Southgate,Rodgers etc talk. It won't happen.
Poch is on the way. Its time to move on to other stuff that wouldn't happen. Like Poch will be signing Rose,Wanyama,Dier,Sanchez etc.
Actually I think it high time we all got hysterical over Harry Winks coming to United. I wish the Sun would hurry up and get the rumours started.
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Yet I'm unsure what big trophies Ten Hag has won?
Okay, do you think people here have heard of Haaland? Seems like a top striker coming up the ranks.
Arguably the best manager in the World? No chance
My thoughts exactly.
I'm not sure of the relevance to the topic in all honesty.
Implementing change doesn’t mean winning the league.
Both Pep and Klopp implemented visible change to the football style of the clubs immediately.
Tbf most sensible people know Enrique has a World Cup and is never leaving.Potter and Bodgers with more votes than Enrique!
Two or three good results and Carrick's confirmed as interim manager and we know what will happen next - after all this time and all these feck ups there is no evidence to suggest our board will make a sensible decision at this stage.
Like OGS did?
Just a lack of vision from those in control. They were both such pointless loans and most could argue that in advance. But time again, the club needs to actually go and do it before it becomes clear.
Handing Ole the permanent contract, extending his contract, giving Jones a contract, giving a contract to Mata, handing contracts to Ole's staff, Pellistri loan, Tuanzebe loan, making a mess out of the goalkeeping situation, Conte, not using the international break to change manager and look for a new one. It is just tiresome.
Granted Tuanzebe isn't getting a huge number of minutes but I'd consider that a test for him. If he can't get into the Villa side at 24, he's unlikely to make it at OT. However, looking at his stats Pellestri has 5 starts and 7 sub appearances in 13 league games so far this season and Alaves were very keen to have him back so I don't see the issue there.
He's essentially the bald Ten Hag, so yes why not.
Maybe another international rising proven star you've missed.
Heck we even signed Donny van de Beek based on his performances under Ten Hag, and you think most of our fans had no clue about Ten Hag?
He's not coming back mate, move on.
He didnt really. He back tracked and effectively ended up quite similar to Jose
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