They should just hand each refugee a copy of the daily mail in calais. Problem solved. Now onto the much more pressing issue of which of my bathrooms I should use for my pre sleep dump.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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700k of that million happened in 2016. January 2016 alone had over 50k. No clue if a English version exists but the table on page 13 is self explanatory.Didn't germany grant the million in 2015
Therefore it's possibly factually correct that since 2015 the uk has taken in the most
Selective facts and spin but the dates seem to suggest he has factored in the German decision to take in a million
Edit: To be fair I think Javid is talking about the number of people resettled directly from the country of origin and his claim is possibly factual correct if seen in that context.
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Didn't germany grant the million in 2015
Therefore it's possibly factually correct that since 2015 the uk has taken in the most
Selective facts and spin but the dates seem to suggest he has factored in the German decision to take in a million
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People constantly making excuses for BS, allows for it to carry on
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It is factually correct because he's using the term "resettled", which has a very specific technical definition and most refugees settle through asylum, but not in any way correct in regards to number of immigrants taken or applications for asylum received. Of course, he's deliberately creating this conflation and confusion. Because he's an odious cnut.Didn't germany grant the million in 2015
Therefore it's possibly factually correct that since 2015 the uk has taken in the most
Selective facts and spin but the dates seem to suggest he has factored in the German decision to take in a million
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Agreed .... its a politically crafted statistic but one that has some factual base he can fall back onIt is factually correct because he's using the term "resettled", which has a very specific technical definition and most refugees settle through asylum, but not in any way correct in regards to number of immigrants taken or applications for asylum received. Of course, he's deliberately creating this conflation and confusion. Because he's an odious cnut.
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Listen to what he says. He's obviously a weasel, which means it's important to note that he's making a specific claim that has nothing to do with total numbers, just made to sound like it. "Through the refugee programs" is an important qualifier. Here's the data. In the very specific terms he's referencing he's also correct. Not a liar (in this instance), just an arsehole who's job is to distort.Tweet
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You can change the country of resettlement on the left hand side.
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For overall figures you can look at these two sources:
This one has a handy slidebar to show you each year. You can also change it to show per capita:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/ST8T49D3Q?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
This one is a bit more complicated, you can change the output based on specific types of decision top right:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/MIGR_ASYDCFSTA__custom_1662053/default/table?lang=en
From 2016 onward we oscillate between 6th and 10th in absolute numbers. Per capita we oscillate between 19th and 22nd. Javid eats more chips than anyone else that lives on his street. Of course he's the only person that lives on his street.
This one has a handy slidebar to show you each year. You can also change it to show per capita:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/ST8T49D3Q?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
This one is a bit more complicated, you can change the output based on specific types of decision top right:
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/MIGR_ASYDCFSTA__custom_1662053/default/table?lang=en
From 2016 onward we oscillate between 6th and 10th in absolute numbers. Per capita we oscillate between 19th and 22nd. Javid eats more chips than anyone else that lives on his street. Of course he's the only person that lives on his street.
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The Times and others, including a French minister, blamed the UK's inability to handle refugees- eg very few are ever deported, even when rejected, and the giant black economy where they can get work more easily than in other countries.Why the fascination with the UK? Why don't they stay in France, Germany, Spain or wherever on mainland Europe?
Must be something to risk your life.
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Fury as Nadine Dorries rejects fellow Tory’s groping claim against PM’s father
Fury as Nadine Dorries rejects fellow Tory’s groping claim against PM’s father
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fellow-torys-groping-claim-against-pms-father“I don’t believe it happened,” she said in an interview with the Daily Mail. “It never happened to me. Perhaps there is something wrong with me.”
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Fury as Nadine Dorries rejects fellow Tory’s groping claim against PM’s father
How as a country have we ended up with the thickest and most talentless bunch of leaders?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fellow-torys-groping-claim-against-pms-father
Just what the Tory leadership needs, another disgusting human being.Nadine 'it's all about me' Dorries
Fury as Nadine Dorries rejects fellow Tory’s groping claim against PM’s father
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Exactly, the phrase... "Lies... dam lies.... and then there is statistics" comes to mind.Agreed .... its a politically crafted statistic but one that has some factual base he can fall back on
The terms, 'immigrants'...'illegal immigrants'... 'asylum seekers'...'economic migrants'... 'refugees'... 'displaced persons'... etc. etc. are used by politicians, news editors, and indeed many on here (Red Caf) as almost interchangeable elements, no wonder people at large are becoming 'blind to statistics' on this and other related matters.
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Even when confronted with lies and spin you try to find a way to make it fit your pre conceived narrative with excuses? Rather than confront the untruths.Didn't germany grant the million in 2015
Therefore it's possibly factually correct that since 2015 the uk has taken in the most
Selective facts and spin but the dates seem to suggest he has factored in the German decision to take in a million
Interesting and concerning.
Well at least she said one true thing, there IS something wrong with herNadine 'it's all about me' Dorries
Fury as Nadine Dorries rejects fellow Tory’s groping claim against PM’s father
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fellow-torys-groping-claim-against-pms-father
He gets his news from the The Beano, I wouldn’t hold it against him.Even when confronted with lies and spin you try to find a way to make it fit your pre conceived narrative with excuses? Rather than confront the untruths.
Interesting and concerning.
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Hummm I think my views on the Immigration process for the UK are fairly well known (I think they are shambolic) having had signifignat difficulties with my wife despite her being 100% eligible but the home office being incompetentEven when confronted with lies and spin you try to find a way to make it fit your pre conceived narrative with excuses? Rather than confront the untruths.
Interesting and concerning.
My point... backed up by others is that he's playing politics and spinning a statistic that suits his narrative
Out of interest how many days of your life have you lost in home office interviews?.... how many tens of thousands have you had to spend on lawyers because of incompetent civil servants... how many weeks of you life have you lost having to fill in forms and deliver them in person ?
I mean you seem to have a strong opinion on immigration... what experience of it do you have
I mean I'm also tarred as an immigrunt as is my kid because he's got "slanty eyes" and all that ... but we are talking politics here and big picture my experience (though I hazard far more personal than yours on uk immigration) is not particularly relevant
In this example saj is playing a poor hand poorly but his message will ring true with the 38% of the electorate they need to hold and in that respect he's doing what is to be expected... he's spinning a statistic and he's just about getting away with it.
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It's your reflex response I was commenting on more than the specifics of your view on this topic, immigration.Hummm I think my views on the Immigration process for the UK are fairly well known (I think they are shambolic) having had signifignat difficulties with my wife despite her being 100% eligible but the home office being incompetent
My point... backed up by others is that he's playing politics and spinning a statistic that suits his narrative
Out of interest how many days of your life have you lost in home office interviews?.... how many tens of thousands have you had to spend on lawyers because of incompetent civil servants... how many weeks of you life have you lost having to fill in forms and deliver them in person ?
I mean you seem to have a strong opinion on immigration... what experience of it do you have
I mean I'm also tarred as an immigrunt as is my kid because he's got "slanty eyes" and all that ... but we are talking politics here and big picture my experience (though I hazard far more personal than yours on uk immigration) is not particularly relevant
In this example saj is playing a poor hand poorly but his message will ring true with the 38% of the electorate they need to hold and in that respect he's doing what is to be expected... he's spinning a statistic and he's just about getting away with it.
Always quick to defend the government, even when they are lying, by regurgitating lines from right wing media outlets without questioning. On many topics, not only immigration.
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I can't see them going too much further with restrictions it'll just be reaffirming mask wearing i think.Tweet
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They'd rather risk lives than the political fall out of more restrictions.
We went to Bluewater at the weekend for a Santa visit and I'd say maybe 5% of people were wearing a mask, despite people knowing it'll soon be law. It was so busy too.
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Possibly about opening up boosters to all over 18s?
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Wow brilliant investigative work.
sleazy MPs who would’ve guessed
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He must be on some of those drugs he accused the parents of children on FSM of always using!Jenius.
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That is good reporting, the insidious rascals
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You’re being disingenuous again! Even the critics don’t think the BBC is comparable to Fox News, they respect the BBC as a news organisation while having issues with the general slant of their political reporting. And even when Fox News as an organisation had disappeared up Trump’s arse, you could find segments most weeks from folks like Chris Wallace that ridiculed the conspiracy theories and immorality. It wouldn’t be fair to pick out one of those segments to demonstrate how the Fox News lunacy was overblown.
The standard the BBC is held up against is the standard you stated yourself: they’re at the top tier of news organisations in terms of neutrality, balance, fair reporting. They have that standard because their funding sources demand representative coverage, and because over the decades it built up that reputation with good work.
When people are criticising the BBC against that standard they’re not saying it’s becoming the new Fox News. They’re just saying it’s not sticking to its charter, and given the BBC has real influence, that’s a legitimate concern for them.
For what it’s worth I think the BBC is mostly great, but Laura’s relationship with the PM has a corrosive effect on a good chunk of her reporting, and the political reporting clearly leans conservative (but then so does the country). They succeed at many things that other news organisations fail at, and the areas in which they fall down are fairly normal; the main one being they tend to support the people in power. Given that centre of power has been in the same place for most the last century, I think it’s reasonable that those not of that political persuasion feel aggrieved by that tendency / leaning.
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What the feck does we do not investigate retrospectively mean?
All investigations are by definition retrospective. The Met is corrupt as feck.
All investigations are by definition retrospective. The Met is corrupt as feck.
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This xmas party story is the "dead cat being thrown on the table" to distract.
Gives less coverage to the story by Monbiot earlier in the thread and also the dodgy contacts given out.
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Answer. They are even more corrupt than our government.
If it was you or me, don't worry, they would definitely go after us.
No wonder so many people hold both the government and the police with contempt.
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do we think The Met might have some pre-cogs in their basement?What the feck does we do not investigate retrospectively mean?
All investigations are by definition retrospective. The Met is corrupt as feck.
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