Heynckes at RW and Rummenigge at LW makes more sense than Reus imo.
What is your country’s all timer national team XI ?
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Peter Shilton
TAA
Rìo Ferdinand
Bobby Moore
Ashley Cole
Colin Bell
Steven Gerrard
Paul Gascoine
Wayne Rooney
Harry Kane
Bobby Charlton
TAA
Rìo Ferdinand
Bobby Moore
Ashley Cole
Colin Bell
Steven Gerrard
Paul Gascoine
Wayne Rooney
Harry Kane
Bobby Charlton
If Rui Costa is out then I would swap him with Deco.
No way in hell does Futre get dropped on that left wing, at his peak he was unplayable in the sport, only behind Maradona and Platini. Easily the 4th most talented Portuguese player ever.
He is massively underrated.
However Deco is a very fair option, Rui Costs narrowly made that cut.
Aye. Tend to think a narrower shape like 352 or a 4132 is the best way to accommodate all the great central players, and you can just leave Muller and Rummenigge up top to get on with it.
----------Ubaldo Fillol-------
Zanetti---Passarella--Perfumo--Tarantini
-----------------F. Redondo----------------
------------Bochini------Maradona---------------
--------Messi-------------Di Stefano-------
------------------Kempes--------------------------
Subs: Carrizo (GK), Ayala, Sorin, Mascherano, Riquelme, Batistuta, Alonso
Zanetti---Passarella--Perfumo--Tarantini
-----------------F. Redondo----------------
------------Bochini------Maradona---------------
--------Messi-------------Di Stefano-------
------------------Kempes--------------------------
Subs: Carrizo (GK), Ayala, Sorin, Mascherano, Riquelme, Batistuta, Alonso
Switzerland's would probably something like:
Sommer
Lichtsteiner Yakin Hermann Rodriguez
Xhaka
Sforza Kuhn
Chapuisat Frei Shaqiri
Sommer
Lichtsteiner Yakin Hermann Rodriguez
Xhaka
Sforza Kuhn
Chapuisat Frei Shaqiri
One of my favorite players. I agree with you that he should be in the starting eleven. I thought of a 433 (in the 442 he would be too far from the goal). Futre on the right, Eusebio and Cris, but the problem is what to do with Figo. Figo as a midfielder alongside Coluna and Deco/Rui Costa?
Nah that’s why I have it in a 41212.
Coluna Will run the midfield in that box to box role with either deco or Rui costa ahead of him.
Futre and Figo as the Left and Right mids and CR7 and Eusébio Up top. At least that’s how I would set it up to make use of the attacking talent.
DAMAS
JOÃO PINTO --- R. CARVALHO --- PEPE --- HILÁRIO
COLUNA --- DECO
FIGO ------------------------------------------- RONALDO
PEYROTEO --- EUSÉBIO
BENCH: V. BAÍA, ARTUR, HUMBERTO COELHO, PAULO SOUSA, RUI COSTA, CHALANA, FUTRE, TRAVASSOS, MATATEU
JOÃO PINTO --- R. CARVALHO --- PEPE --- HILÁRIO
COLUNA --- DECO
FIGO ------------------------------------------- RONALDO
PEYROTEO --- EUSÉBIO
BENCH: V. BAÍA, ARTUR, HUMBERTO COELHO, PAULO SOUSA, RUI COSTA, CHALANA, FUTRE, TRAVASSOS, MATATEU
My eyes, my eyes!
Goram
McGrain. Hansen Buchan Malpas
Souness Bremner
Johnstone Dalglish Gray
Law
Bench: Leighton Robertson Gough McLeish Collins McStay Cooper Gemmil McCoist Johnston
Manager: Fergie
McGrain. Hansen Buchan Malpas
Souness Bremner
Johnstone Dalglish Gray
Law
Bench: Leighton Robertson Gough McLeish Collins McStay Cooper Gemmil McCoist Johnston
Manager: Fergie
---------------------Beara---------------------
--Ivanovic---Vidic----Vasovic----Mihajlovic
-----------------Jugovic--------------------
------Stojkovic------Stankovic------
--------Sekularac-----------Dzajic-----
------------------Savic----------------------
If a fan of Partizan saw my list, they would shoot me. Only Vasovic made the list.
This is tough as some legends that I remember from before 90s were either Montenegrin, Macedonian, Croatian or Bosnian. I was sure Tomislav Ivkovic was Serbian, but nope, Croatian. It really hurts that I can't put Savicevic and Mijatovic in the team. Two legends from 90s.
--Ivanovic---Vidic----Vasovic----Mihajlovic
-----------------Jugovic--------------------
------Stojkovic------Stankovic------
--------Sekularac-----------Dzajic-----
------------------Savic----------------------
If a fan of Partizan saw my list, they would shoot me. Only Vasovic made the list.
This is tough as some legends that I remember from before 90s were either Montenegrin, Macedonian, Croatian or Bosnian. I was sure Tomislav Ivkovic was Serbian, but nope, Croatian. It really hurts that I can't put Savicevic and Mijatovic in the team. Two legends from 90s.
You do realise football was invented before 1995, don't you, and we actually won a World Cup?
Oops sorry, you put Ramsey as manager.
Just going by reputation and some sort of positional accuracy, maybe something like:
Seaman
Moore Adams Ferdinand
Robson (c)
Gascoigne Gerrard
Charlton
Matthews Barnes
Greaves
Manager: Brian Clough.
Moore Adams Ferdinand
Robson (c)
Gascoigne Gerrard
Charlton
Matthews Barnes
Greaves
Manager: Brian Clough.
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Barthez
Thuram - Desailly - Blanc - Lizarazu
Vieira - Makelele
Zidane
Platini
Mbappe - Henry
Bench : Bats, Sagnol, Rocheteau, Kante, Tigana, Pogba, Cantona, Kopa
Thuram - Desailly - Blanc - Lizarazu
Vieira - Makelele
Zidane
Platini
Mbappe - Henry
Bench : Bats, Sagnol, Rocheteau, Kante, Tigana, Pogba, Cantona, Kopa
Pat Jennings
Jimmy Nicholl - Jonny Evans - Aaron Hughes - Mal Donaghy
Steven Davis - Danny Blanchflower - Norman Whiteside
George Best - David Healy - Gerry Armstrong
Jimmy Nicholl - Jonny Evans - Aaron Hughes - Mal Donaghy
Steven Davis - Danny Blanchflower - Norman Whiteside
George Best - David Healy - Gerry Armstrong
I will do an 11 Ive seen on tv rather than one with people who played around the time Christ walked the earth.
Van der Sar
Van Bronckhorst
Van Dijk
Frank de Boer
Dumfries
Frenkie de Jong
Davids
Bergkamp
Robben
Kuyt
Overmars
Bench: Seedorf, Sneijder, Kluivert, Ruud, van Persie, Makaay, Van Basten, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Memphis, Hasselbaink.
Can never have too many strikers on your bench.
Van der Sar
Van Bronckhorst
Van Dijk
Frank de Boer
Dumfries
Frenkie de Jong
Davids
Bergkamp
Robben
Kuyt
Overmars
Bench: Seedorf, Sneijder, Kluivert, Ruud, van Persie, Makaay, Van Basten, Vennegoor of Hesselink, Memphis, Hasselbaink.
Can never have too many strikers on your bench.
Aye, well pick a team and put him in it so.
Harder then it looks, but for a functioning team based on 3-5-2
GK - Gordon Banks (what a player, honorable mentions to Clemence, Seaman, Shilton)
CB - Bobby Moore (66 winning captain)
CB - Rio Ferdinand (playing 3 at the back so need speed)
CB - Des Walker (See above)
LW - Stanley Matthews (Wizard)
RW - Bobby Charlton (as above)
CM - Glenn Hoddle (underrated and exceptional passer, needed a lynchpin in midfield)
CM - Duncan Edwards (would of been Englands greatest player imo, could do everything)
CM - Paul Gascoigne (needed a midfielder to make runs into the box)
CF - Jimmy Greaves (Tricky Dynamic forward (think Aguero) and best GPG ratio of all with 20+ goals)
CF - Harry Kane (Bit more of a target player and can drop deep, 2nd best GPG ratio of all with 20+ goals)
Tons missed out such as Lineker, Rooney, Beckham, Scholes, Shearer, Adams, Jack Charlton, Hurst, Peters etc etc, could probably make 3 capable England teams tbh.
GK - Gordon Banks (what a player, honorable mentions to Clemence, Seaman, Shilton)
CB - Bobby Moore (66 winning captain)
CB - Rio Ferdinand (playing 3 at the back so need speed)
CB - Des Walker (See above)
LW - Stanley Matthews (Wizard)
RW - Bobby Charlton (as above)
CM - Glenn Hoddle (underrated and exceptional passer, needed a lynchpin in midfield)
CM - Duncan Edwards (would of been Englands greatest player imo, could do everything)
CM - Paul Gascoigne (needed a midfielder to make runs into the box)
CF - Jimmy Greaves (Tricky Dynamic forward (think Aguero) and best GPG ratio of all with 20+ goals)
CF - Harry Kane (Bit more of a target player and can drop deep, 2nd best GPG ratio of all with 20+ goals)
Tons missed out such as Lineker, Rooney, Beckham, Scholes, Shearer, Adams, Jack Charlton, Hurst, Peters etc etc, could probably make 3 capable England teams tbh.
How is Elkjaer not in this lineup? Ballon d'or runner up in '84 and 3rd in '85. Fantastic forward and notorious smoker!
.....and Allan Simonsen? Ballon d'or winner in '77.
Would maybe put peak and injury free Ronny Johnsen in that team over Hangeland....
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Ugh tough one.
----------------------Ladić
--------Bilić-------Štimac------R. Kovač
Rakitić------Modrić---Asanović---Perišić
-----------------------Boban
---------------Šuker-------Mandžukić
----------------------Ladić
--------Bilić-------Štimac------R. Kovač
Rakitić------Modrić---Asanović---Perišić
-----------------------Boban
---------------Šuker-------Mandžukić
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I was going, like I could see a few did, for a team of players I had actually watched play.
Only going with players I've seen, so the likes of Greaves, Moore, Charlton aren't included.
Seaman
Walker - Ferdinand - Adams - Cole
Hoddle - Robson
Keegan - Scholes - Beardsley
Shearer
Seaman
Walker - Ferdinand - Adams - Cole
Hoddle - Robson
Keegan - Scholes - Beardsley
Shearer
Totally understandable
That’s the closest thing to perfection! Not just as individuals, but as a team too.
I'd put my money on these boys.
Van de Sar
Reiziger
Stam
Van Dijk
Krol
Neeskens
Rijkaard
Gullit
Bergkamp
Van Basten
Cryff
and I'm leaving out: Koeman, Overmars, Van Persie, Robben
Awesome!
and I'm not Dutch. Just did it for fun!
I'd swap Alonso for Bochini only
but the rest it's ok. A little umbalanced thoughMine's not too different and I agree with the formation! Obviously this is only post-1994:
Šuker Mandžukić
Boban
Perišić Rakitić Modrić Srna
Šimunić Tudor R. Kovač
Pletikosa
Boban
Perišić Rakitić Modrić Srna
Šimunić Tudor R. Kovač
Pletikosa
GK: All three of Ladić, Subašić and Pletikosa were mostly reliable, without really excelling. With a little more luck in 2008, Pletikosa doesn't have to hide in regards to achievements.
DF: In terms of centre backs the pool is really deep. Šimunić, Tudor, Kovač, Ćorluka, Bilić, Štimac, Vida, Šimić, Jerkan, Lovren. Opting for three non-1998/2018ers seems peculiar, but I think overall Šimunić and Robert Kovač were the best and most complete stoppers and Tudor the most talented sweeper, just dogged by injuries. Srna is nailed on at RB or RWB, on the left it's either Perišić or Jarni (in a back four).
MF: Modrić and Boban are nailed on for me, but the third spot is a little more open. Niko Kovač, Asanović and Prosinečki are the major alternatives, while Niko Kranjčar has been a wonderful player for the NT as well. Rapaić would be my cult hero option.
FW: I think Šuker and Mandžukić are nailed on given their contributions, but Dudu and Bokšić are not too far behind. Dudu's goal rate is only bettered by Šuker and without the career-altering injury he could have a place in the starting 11. Then there are Olić and Pršo as further back-ups.
Coach: Slaven Bilić. Some would give it to Dalić for the 2018 success, but the performances under Bilić have been better in every way bar tournament results. Shoutout to Čačić for a surprisingly decent Euro 2016 (maybe the coach doesn't really matter that much for this lot).
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Sarcy!!
I put players I knew or remember watching..
Put alf in there as no alternative really
Is this thread the best players from a country or playing for a country? If its the latter, how on earth are Gerrard and Scholes getting in so many England elevens....My England eleven (from my lifetime wathcing from early 80s cant judege past players before then never seen):
Shilton
Neville
Ferdinand
Butcher
Ashley Cole
Chris Waddle
Paul Ince
Paul Gascogine
Peter Beardsley
Sheringham
Shearer
Italia 90 and Euro 96 players as in major tournaments I think they have been our best players. I think Ince especially for England has been criminally under rated, always good for ENgland with some outsnading games too, Gerrards good performances I could count on one hand for England, he was a better player than Ince, there are quite a few, but for ENgland......never.
The good thing is there are a few in the current squads I think can actually get in this squad if we were to redo it in a decade
Shilton
Neville
Ferdinand
Butcher
Ashley Cole
Chris Waddle
Paul Ince
Paul Gascogine
Peter Beardsley
Sheringham
Shearer
Italia 90 and Euro 96 players as in major tournaments I think they have been our best players. I think Ince especially for England has been criminally under rated, always good for ENgland with some outsnading games too, Gerrards good performances I could count on one hand for England, he was a better player than Ince, there are quite a few, but for ENgland......never.
The good thing is there are a few in the current squads I think can actually get in this squad if we were to redo it in a decade
Vladimir Beara? Croatian.
Ladić should be in, if nothing for the World Cup heroics back in 1998.
And where's Prosinečki?
No love for Ćiro?
I'd give it to Dalić, say what you will but he's out most successful coach ever. I have a special place for Bilić though and 2008 still haunts me. 2012 we played some good stuff although not going through.
Come to think of it I'd go with 4 at the back, Jarni and especially Srna have to be there.
Šimunić and Kovač were great but Štimac, Bilić, Šimić were something else.
We had and still have some truly great mids, some would put Prosinečki instead of Asanović cause of club career. Our legendary 2nd captain Niko too.
Dudu could have been close to Šuker, he was magnificent, that injury ruined his career.
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Wales. 442 (obvs).
Neville Southall (best British goalie I’ve seen, vital part of the excellent mid 80s EFC team … & gave us “well done, he’s 13”)
Clayton Blackmore (the weak spot (sorry Clayton) but a long-serving United player who played both FBs)
Kevin Ratcliffe (captain of the excellent mid 80s EFC team)
John Charles (The Gentle Giant, a Wales great… an all time great. Excellent at CF and CH, one of the great all round players)
Gareth Bale (moved to earlier career LB position to accommodate Giggs but can double up down the left and joint rip FBs)
Cliff Jones (a 2 in 5 scoring right winger for Spurs for years and a key part of the Spurs double winners)
Gary Speed (only Irwin was as consistently good. 7/10 min every game. Leeds, Bolton, Newcastle, Everton… loved. RIP)
Aaron Ramsey (career maybe didn’t go as high as he hoped/we thought it would but top player especially for Wales Intls)
Ryan Giggs (most decorated British player ever. A great. Excellent chest hair)
Ian Rush (best out and out British goal scorer I’ve seen and harasser of CHs, Liverpools first line of defence. Deadly)
Mark Hughes (a brilliant foil for Rush, gave any CH a battle and could chip in with the odd goal, especially great ones)
Subs. Dai Davies, Joey Jones, Terry Yorath, Dean Saunders, Craig Bellamy
( @Lecland07 . Only joking just saw no Charles or one of my favourite non United players. Quite a lot the same, we have had a lot of attacking talent, hard to fit in?)
Neville Southall (best British goalie I’ve seen, vital part of the excellent mid 80s EFC team … & gave us “well done, he’s 13”)
Clayton Blackmore (the weak spot (sorry Clayton) but a long-serving United player who played both FBs)
Kevin Ratcliffe (captain of the excellent mid 80s EFC team)
John Charles (The Gentle Giant, a Wales great… an all time great. Excellent at CF and CH, one of the great all round players)
Gareth Bale (moved to earlier career LB position to accommodate Giggs but can double up down the left and joint rip FBs)
Cliff Jones (a 2 in 5 scoring right winger for Spurs for years and a key part of the Spurs double winners)
Gary Speed (only Irwin was as consistently good. 7/10 min every game. Leeds, Bolton, Newcastle, Everton… loved. RIP)
Aaron Ramsey (career maybe didn’t go as high as he hoped/we thought it would but top player especially for Wales Intls)
Ryan Giggs (most decorated British player ever. A great. Excellent chest hair)
Ian Rush (best out and out British goal scorer I’ve seen and harasser of CHs, Liverpools first line of defence. Deadly)
Mark Hughes (a brilliant foil for Rush, gave any CH a battle and could chip in with the odd goal, especially great ones)
Subs. Dai Davies, Joey Jones, Terry Yorath, Dean Saunders, Craig Bellamy
( @Lecland07 . Only joking
just saw no Charles or one of my favourite non United players. Quite a lot the same, we have had a lot of attacking talent, hard to fit in?)Ćiro transcends every comparison.No love for Ćiro?
I'd give it to Dalić, say what you will but he's out most successful coach ever. I have a special place for Bilić though and 2008 still haunts me. 2012 we played some good stuff although not going through.
Come to think of it I'd go with 4 at the back, Jarni and especially Srna have to be there.
Šimunić and Kovač were great but Štimac, Bilić, Šimić were something else.
We had and still have some truly great mids, some would put Prosinečki instead of Adamović cause of club career. Our legendary 2nd captain Niko too.
Dudu could have been close to Šuker, he was magnificent, that injury ruined his career.
For me Šimić was an enigma. First player to reach 100 caps, played for Milan and Inter, but it seemed that there were always multiple better/more talented defenders around.
As I said, I think Pletikosa vs Ladić vs Subašić is a toss-up for me. And Raktić vs Prosinečki vs Asanović is tough as well. I feel the former contributed more in the checkered shirt than Prosinečki at least.
If we're defining greats by purely looking at peak international success, then it's a 1998/2018 combo, I guess. With the likes of Štimac and Bilić included, although I still wouldn't be willing to replace Srna.
Huh. This is interesting.
Let's see
Buffon
Maldini-Baresi-Nesta-Facchetti
Oriali-Pirlo-Tardelli
Riva-Totti-Baggio
Sticking with players from the 60s forward. Honorable mentions for Rivera, Mazzola, Bettega, Conti, Vialli, Vieri, Dino Baggio, De Rossi, Verratti, Zoff, Cannavaro, Bergomi, Zambrotta, Scirea, Cabrini, Pruzzo, Donadoni, Pulici, Rossi, Federico Chiesa
Let's see
Buffon
Maldini-Baresi-Nesta-Facchetti
Oriali-Pirlo-Tardelli
Riva-Totti-Baggio
Sticking with players from the 60s forward. Honorable mentions for Rivera, Mazzola, Bettega, Conti, Vialli, Vieri, Dino Baggio, De Rossi, Verratti, Zoff, Cannavaro, Bergomi, Zambrotta, Scirea, Cabrini, Pruzzo, Donadoni, Pulici, Rossi, Federico Chiesa
Can I list 11 goalkeepers for the USA?
Fairly easy for France, we don't have a long history of winning and outside of Kopa and Platini all our best players are from the 98 team and later
Lloris
Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu
Deschamps Vieira
Zidane
Mbappe Trezeguet Henry
Bench: Barthez, Varane, Sagnol, Makelele, Platini, Kopa, Benzema
Lloris
Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu
Deschamps Vieira
Zidane
Mbappe Trezeguet Henry
Bench: Barthez, Varane, Sagnol, Makelele, Platini, Kopa, Benzema
USA.
------------------------------------------Brad Friedel----------------------------------------------
Steve Cherundolo------Carlos Bocanegra----Marcelo Balboa-------Eddie Pope
Tab Ramos-------------------Michael Bradley------------------Christian Pulisic
Clint Dempsey-------------Landon Donovan-----------------Eric Wynalda
Subs: Brian McBride, Claudio Reyna, Alexi Lalas
------------------------------------------Brad Friedel----------------------------------------------
Steve Cherundolo------Carlos Bocanegra----Marcelo Balboa-------Eddie Pope
Tab Ramos-------------------Michael Bradley------------------Christian Pulisic
Clint Dempsey-------------Landon Donovan-----------------Eric Wynalda
Subs: Brian McBride, Claudio Reyna, Alexi Lalas