Indeed yeah. Still remember where and in which company I watched each and every game back then.
Nowadays I don't mind Chelsea that much but whenever we have to play you again the loathing comes up naturally
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Nowadays I don't mind Chelsea that much but whenever we have to play you again the loathing comes up naturally
It lacks character and bite. Its all to banal and mawkish once the full time whistle is blown. Sickening.
It might be the best competition between two teams in PL history. I'm not sure there was ever a point before where the two teams fighting it out were probably the best two in Europe and it's pretty insane that there's just one point seperating them across four seasons. That's insanely high level stuff.
But it's definitely not the best rivalry, because that needs to be about more than just the football. In fact in a way the most remarkable thing about this supposed rivalry is how lacking it edge it is given just how intense the competition between the two has been.
But it's definitely not the best rivalry, because that needs to be about more than just the football. In fact in a way the most remarkable thing about this supposed rivalry is how lacking it edge it is given just how intense the competition between the two has been.
It’s just how they’re selling the premier league. The two managers and sets of players can give each other blowjobs on the pitch before and after the game and they would still have called it a “rivalry”
A ‘rivalry’ manufactured by a media machine, a bit like Hollywood telling us average looking people are the most beautiful in the world.
They were proper competitors. Rio and Lampard have spoken extensively about it post retirement, how they wouldn’t even talk or sit with each other in England camps…because their clubs were pretty much neck and neck and they wanted the edge. That’s what I’m getting at here. That’s a proper rivalry. This hugging and kissing and talking about being in the hall of fame is far removed from what we saw a couple of decades ago in the PL.
And let’s not forget, Mourinho the First was a real needle in the side of Fergie and Wenger. He was masterful with the press and it translated onto the pitch. Fergie hated him but respected him.
Same. I think a lot of the loathing, at least from our side of the fence, stems from that 05-10 period. It was very intense. I still have Liverpool in my top 3 or 4 most disliked clubs, but they were close to #1 for me during that period and for a while after that. We played each other 5 fecking times in one season one time culminating in the CL semifinals in a knifes edge that went all the way to penalties. Mourinho and Rafa hating each others guts probably fueled the fire a lot to be honestIndeed yeah. Still remember where and in which company I watched each and every game back then.
Nowadays I don't mind Chelsea that much but whenever we have to play you again the loathing comes up naturally
This. It’s to hide a one horse dominated league
There aren’t really ‘City’ or ‘Liverpool’ men like there were in the old days. Lampard/Terry, The United lot were their clubs men. SAF was United, Mourinho was Chelsea. Wenger was Arsenal.
There isn’t the same connection with these managers or players, whether that is down to increased foreign import and PL commercialisation or not. It has a different feeling. Plus these two teams have no rivalry aside from the competition for the title.
There isn’t the same connection with these managers or players, whether that is down to increased foreign import and PL commercialisation or not. It has a different feeling. Plus these two teams have no rivalry aside from the competition for the title.
You might be right. It's basically the old kill them with kindness routine, sucks the fire and intensity right out if them.
More super mind games from Pep. The man is a genius.
Yeah fair enough. It was definitely more than a friendly rivalry. Nothing like this Liverpool/City one. Maybe it just feels different because the fans weren't at loggerheads. United have always been a club I disliked because they were good but nothing more than that whereas there was a bit more bite to our rivalry with Liverpool during the same period (Rafa was hounded out of our club because of his association with Liverpool) and of course the local ones Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham.
You're right though, United and Chelsea players took it very seriously, which is why I say it was a good competitive rivalry with a bit of spice sprinkled on top, not a particularly heated one. Liverpool/City is at best a friendly competitive rivalry.
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Mourinho - Pep was an entertainment due to all the off pitch insults thrown between both, but on the pitch Guardiola dominated Mourinho for the majority of games. It was actually one sided rivalry. Mourinho only defeated Pep, what, 3 times by the end of his Madrid Stent? Meanwhile Klopp and Pep games are more even and they take turns getting the upper hand. Maybe they don't insult each other off the pitch but when it comes to football, what's the produced on the pitch is quality.
One journalist tweeted during the game “this is sooooooooo good”. It’s probably me being bitter but it made me sick in my mouth a bit.
The media are paid whores. Always have been. It was the same for the United Arsenal games. Even when it had been a few years that arsenal had won anything while we were still going strong everytime the game came on it was all these previews promos and what not with puke inducing narration. "Unstoppable force vs immovable object ohhhhhh" get fecked.
It's the same now. They just have to market the Premier League product and the likes of Sky are worse than some of the shittest ad campaigns.
Did you just compare football to tennis?
When you state something as fact that's clearly not surely it's a strange take no? It doesn't mean I'm calling you strange and not an insult.
These players now are friends off the pitch it doesn't mean they aren't rivals on it.
Hostility has nothing to do with rivalry.
That's a crux of it really. Rivalry is much more than 2 great teams competing for the title. It's so strange to see media trying to make it a rivalry, not trying but going well over the top with it.
Pointing out a grammar mistake. the actions of someone with no real counter argument
It's actually not.
It's literal definition is "competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field".
One can argue it's not the best one but one can't argue it's not a rivalry. If lfc can overturn a 1pt deficit it will be 3 league titles Vs 2 in the last 5 seasons. Two of them decided by likely less than 3 points. City are 1 point ahead this season and 1 point ahead over a combined 4 years.
1 team is going for the treble, the other the quad.
I'm still pissed about both of their goals being clearly offside.
Same old arsenal....
Are we really going to talk about the definition of a rivalry?
And not about rivalry in real life.
Feel like this is a good summary yeah.
Added to the fact that there are barely any real characters at City and Liverpool right now compared to the likes of Vieira and Keane. I'd be hard pressed to name anyone who would've thrown a fit on the pitch last weekend. Van Dijk fouled KDB and immediately offered a hand, almost showing a sign of appreciation right away. You don't get players yelling at each other anymore all that often. I do remember a TAA incident vs Sterling but even that was barely anything and got way overblown.
Sky need to sell. Back in the days of 2005-2010 they called Super Sunday the Sundays when the top 4 - United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool - were playing each other. Two top games involving the four best team on the same day.
Nowadays the call anything Super Sunday, Burnley could be playing Stoke and they would call it that.
Nowadays the call anything Super Sunday, Burnley could be playing Stoke and they would call it that.
Yeah but KDB got played there because literally 60 seconds later he fouls Fabinho and Van Dijk sprints 30 metres to demonstrate with the ref asking for harsher punishment
If he finds a half eaten KFC value meal in a bin he thinks its a Michelin Star quality feed.
Jamie Carragher: "Liverpool and Manchester City has become the greatest, most intense and highest quality rivalry in English football history."
Yeah I noticed that as well
Gary Neville seems to think it’s the best ever rivalry as well though, judging by all the “ooooooh”ing and “aaaaaah”ing he was doing throughout.Also they will play each other possibly in 2 other competitions. They are pushing each other in everything.
It honestly stems from both managers, Klopp and Pep seem like they intentionally want to avoid the rivalry that this level of competition should have. The hugs and the laughs are completely fake but they are keen to give off a certain image which is anything but real.
What's funny is if United were involved the two would break character as did with Ole, played mind games whenever they could and we were nowhere as good as them and Ole wasn't even in their league.
It feels to me as if Pep and Klopp are bottling the rivalry. The stakes become even higher when you add a bit of edge and sporting hate to rivalries and it seems like both are scared to venture into this territory so are just playing it safe.
What's funny is if United were involved the two would break character as did with Ole, played mind games whenever they could and we were nowhere as good as them and Ole wasn't even in their league.
It feels to me as if Pep and Klopp are bottling the rivalry. The stakes become even higher when you add a bit of edge and sporting hate to rivalries and it seems like both are scared to venture into this territory so are just playing it safe.
There was that heated moment involving Sterling and Jones a couple of seasons back but that's as much edge, outside of the football, there's been in that respect.
Yea it's definitely a different type of rivalry, but honestly I don't dislike that.
Fair enough it's a bad comparison
Makes me want to throw up in my hand and slap the person that is talking about it
Or maybe times have changed. I mean, Klopp praises Sir Alex a lot, but we don't care. Roy got loads of criticism for doing the same, back when he was the LFC manager.
Having fewer local players in the squad also affects the emotions. Plus, City and Liverpool aren't traditional rivals.
I think it only seems that way because the vast majority of United and Liverpool fans live outside England, and they don't get the rivalry. But ask anyone from either city or even the NW of England, and they'll tell you the rivalry is as strong as ever.
I didn't speak on the United - Liverpool rivalry. I spoke about the Liverpool - City, which frankly doesn't exist.
Even non-local Liverpool fans hate United, and vice versa. We even enjoy and celebrate each other's defeats.
I know, It was more of a general statement after reading through the thread. I get the impression there are many who don't quite get the rivalry between our clubs.
Really? I think most on here definitely do.
This would be 10 times better if it was United instead of City.
strangely enough for a rivalry, there has really only been one season where it has went to the wire so to speak in the previous 4 seasons, 18-19 season where City won by a point. City won another 2 and Liverpool won one, the points tallies in them season weren't super close. 17-18 City won league by 21 pcs and that wasn't even Liverpool in 2nd place that season, 18-19 by 1 point, 19-20 season liverpool by 18 points, last season city by 12 points
Okay Piers
Haven't City got just one more point in total than Pool over the last four years?
And both teams are averaging very nearly 90 points a season over the same period.....
I also recall City won by one point one year where they had to win their last umpteen games on the spin to do so.
Also, both teams have hit more than 90 points in 2 out of 3 seasons, with this season very likely to make it 3 out of four which no one else has got anywhere near consistently since football began c1992....
All this bearing in mind Pool were absolutely shite last year
....Breaks my heart to say it but the reality is that but for those Scouse fookers it would indeed be a one horse league...
