More goals in woman's football because women feel more?

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Kenny Shiels has always been a twat. Glad to see he’ll soon be losing his job because of it.
 

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This argument of women being more emotional is daft on so many levels, when men keep losing their heads over things and reacting in a worse manner.
 

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Bang goes his career, what an odd thing to say.

One might almost say he got a bit to emotional during the interview......
 

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This argument of women being more emotional is daft on so many levels, when men keep losing their heads over things and reacting in a worse manner.
This is a can of worms isn't it, do women feel more emotions or do they just feel emotional about different things than men do, or do they express their emotions differently to how men do. Either way, you're right, it's daft.
 

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It’s an interesting theory. You’d hope it’s backed up by some research though.
 

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And there was me thinking it was just because they are rubbish goalkeepers.
 

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This is a can of worms isn't it, do women feel more emotions or do they just feel emotional about different things than men do, or do they express their emotions differently to how men do. Either way, you're right, it's daft.
Society allows women to express emotions other than anger. That's mostly it, in my opinion: men are expected to be stoic and visible displays of emotion are discouraged as unmanly.

The premise of the coach is absolutely ridiculous, too. We've all seen tons of matches in the men's game when a team collapsed after conceding.
 

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And there was me thinking it was just because they are rubbish goalkeepers.
Well not sure what your theory is based upon there, as there are a lot of unbelievably good goalkeepers in the women's game.
 

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Well not sure what your theory is based upon there, as there are a lot of unbelievably good goalkeepers in the women's game.
Surely the average height and reach is different for men and women keepers, and they're playing in front of goals that are of the same size. More than the quality of the keeping it could well be the physical difference. I don't know, I'm guessing.
 

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Men and women are different, that’s good isn’t it? If there is a history of women conceding goals in batches, could that be linked to emotion? I personally have no idea.

There will of course be people highlighting isolated matches in the mens game, but we should take this more generally.

Whether he’s right or not, he probably shouldn’t have said it, and he will probably get in trouble for it.
 

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It'll never cease to amaze me how chaps like that get jobs like coaching the womens national team :lol:
 

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Does he actually have any facts to back his opinion? I don’t think I’ve ever noticed it
 

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It'll never cease to amaze me how chaps like that get jobs like coaching the womens national team :lol:
I'm guessing it's because chaps like him are hired by chaps like him.
 

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“The emotional imbalance”… :lol:

That’s such a condescending, dinosaur view to have on a woman’s football team, I assume he means they don’t keep their shape as well as men’s sides or something but comes across very badly..
 

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Surely the average height and reach is different for men and women keepers, and they're playing in front of goals that are of the same size. More than the quality of the keeping it could well be the physical difference. I don't know, I'm guessing.
A bit of both. Lack of reach doesn’t help but you definitely see blatantly crap goalkeeping in women’s football more obviously than in the men’s game. Although that might be because blatantly crap moments from the ‘keeper are more eye-catching.
 

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It’s nonsensical to have full-sized goals in female football, unless you have the same height of keeper as the men’s game, the keeper’s in female football are always doomed from the outset and would have to be better than their male counterparts to achieve the same defensive records.
 

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And there was me thinking it was just because they are rubbish goalkeepers.
I think it's mainly because the goalposts are too big for the average height of keepers they have in the women's game. It makes it very hard to save certain shots when they're placed near the posts

It’s nonsensical to have full-sized goals in female football, unless you have the same height of keeper as the men’s game, the keeper’s in female football are always doomed from the outset and would have to be better than their male counterparts to achieve the same defensive records.
This. I've always said it too. There is a bigger gap between the keeper's athleticism than there is in quality of shots and long range attempts for both genders so therefore it makes sense that they conceded much more
 

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Oh dear. Even if you thought that, you also have to be pretty stupid to voice that opinion today. A child would be able to predict that it wouldn’t be received well.
 

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I think it's mainly because the goalposts are too big for the average height of keepers they have in the women's game. It makes it very hard to save certain shots when they're placed near the posts


This. I've always said it too. There is a bigger gap between the keeper's athleticism than there is in quality of shots and long range attempts for both genders so therefore it makes sense that they conceded much more
Further to your first paragraph; they can be made to scramble far easier by having them stretch and leap full-force for one save, which leaves them in a heap or completely unable to get footing to spring again for combination saves. It’s totally unfair, like cheating in a footy game by following a scripted method of scoring.

A 5’6 woman making a full leap and covering half the space has to position herself closer to the side of the goal she thinks the ball will go to to even make a solid save. Obviously leaving far more space to the other side of her in the process. There’s just a myriad of ways in which it’s absurd to have male goals in the female game unless you fill them exclusively with same height females as seen in male football.
 

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No, because the defending and GKing is worse, or less important. Also, there's this culture of winning the match by scoring more goals, simple as that. 3-4 or 2-7, doesn't matter.

Woman's football reminds me of male football in the '50s and I'm totally ok with that.
 
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No, because the defending and GKing is worse, or less important. Also, there's this culture of winning the match bt scoring more goals, simple as that. 3-4 or 2-7, doesn't matter.

Woman's football reminds me of male football in the '50s and I'm totally ok with that.
Was going to say the same. Did anyone say it was because men were so emotional when you could regularly say crazy scores at that time?
 

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A bit of both. Lack of reach doesn’t help but you definitely see blatantly crap goalkeeping in women’s football more obviously than in the men’s game. Although that might be because blatantly crap moments from the ‘keeper are more eye-catching.
A major factor in this will be the quality of coaching (particularly at junior ages) being such a disparity, mens coaches tend to be of a significantly higher standard because, well, that’s where the money is.
 

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A major factor in this will be the quality of coaching (particularly at junior ages) being such a disparity, mens coaches tend to be of a significantly higher standard because, well, that’s where the money is.
That’s a good point and to be clear I don’t even think there is a national coaching guideline for junior ages, it’s just throw a kid in nets and see how he does.
 

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And there was me thinking it was just because they are rubbish goalkeepers.
I watched a woman’s game recently on TV…I can’t remember which competition it was or who were the teams playing, but my big takeaway from it was that the goalposts looked to be too big for the keepers. The attacking and midfield play was solid but a couple of the goals conceded looked like someone with a longer reach, like say a De Gea or a Donnarumma might have kept out.

Maybe it might be something that could be looked into? Women’s cricket is played with smaller boundaries to compensate for the expected difference in power and I think that the game is better for it.
 

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Does he actually have any facts to back his opinion? I don’t think I’ve ever noticed it
He's claiming it's based on data, which has yet to be produced, but how he came to conclusion that the cause is emotional is where the difficulty lies for me. If your conclusion is backing up a stereotype, you'd want to be very sure of your data before spouting off like this.
 

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Shiels comment aside, but who is really enoying woman’s football? I‘d rather watch sunday league games. I‘d even argue the niveau is higher.
 
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You can’t even qualify his words as a brain fart. That would be giving him too much credit.
 

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Shiels comment aside, but who is really enoying woman’s football? I‘d rather watch sunday league games. I‘d even argue the niveau is higher.
This might sound rude but woman‘s football is like a horse race with donkeys
I don’t know some games are good and I quite like Ellen White natural goal scorer man or woman, but I can understand what you mean the level and tactics aren’t as entertaining as the men’s game even if your donkey thing is a bit mean spirited.
 

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I don’t know some games are good and I quite like Ellen White natural goal scorer man or woman, but I can understand what you mean the level and tactics aren’t as entertaining as the men’s game even if your donkey thing is a bit mean spirited.
Yes that was unnecessary and I edited it out. But I would argue that they are extremely well trained tactically but what is totally lacking is physique.
I think it was the Australian women's national team which is one of the best sides in the world that was loosing to a under 17 team of boys with 7:0 a few years ago
 

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What a stupid statement because even if its true that they feel more (which I doubt because again, it's a job), by feeling/caring more while playing football you will try to perform better, try harder. Look at our own male squad where they didnt give a shit let alone feel. Look at the amount of goals conceded under Ole near the end of his managerial career, under the boss who have always protected them. So this is case of a bullshit inside of a bullshit.
 
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Well not sure what your theory is based upon there, as there are a lot of unbelievably good goalkeepers in the women's game.
Yes there are many good goalkeepers who are women, but they should never the less have a smaller goal. Maybe the field should be smaller too, to make the game faster and more entertaining.
 

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Shiels comment aside, but who is really enoying woman’s football? I‘d rather watch sunday league games. I‘d even argue the niveau is higher.

I've watched a few games and enjoyed them certainly more so than our current men's team
 

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It was a silly comment to make, particularly about a team that he's supposed to lead into the Euros this summer. Their mentality got them results against higher ranked opponents to even qualify. Most of their players were amateurs or part timers playing for amateur teams until a couple of months ago - though the national team have now been given full-time contracts to prepare for the Euros.

Last night they played against a team of full-time professionals, who all play for the top handful of teams in professional Leagues. England beat NI 5-0, goals scored at 26, 52, 60, 70, 79 minutes. They didn't concede from the kickoff, or because they were still in tears over the last mistake. They got cracked open slowly by a much stronger team and yes, probably lost some of their self belief and drive as tiredness set in.

Of course emotion plays a part in football. Plus some teams are good at damage limitation, at hunkering down at 3-0 to avoid the 4/5/6 goal defeat, but that can be a matter of experience and culture. Some teams can't do it. Brazil lost a WC SF 7-1.

Sometimes a team knows they're massive underdogs and gives up, but more common are the teams who prepared themselves for a personal cup final, and try too hard to score - even if it's only a consolation goal for the fans to cheer. It's one of the thing that makes football mad at times, but it's not about women getting more emotional.
 

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Shiels comment aside, but who is really enoying woman’s football? I‘d rather watch sunday league games. I‘d even argue the niveau is higher.
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