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I hate twitter and frankly don't give a shit

but it's obvious that Musk will even worsen this cnutish platform
 

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Hopefully Twitter don't accept. It would be the death of the platform.
 

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So that’s what, 39 bil for the cat memes and another bil for the opportunity to call football journos “bias nonces”?

Seems about right?
 

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Hopefully Twitter don't accept. It would be the death of the platform.
Im pretty sure more than 40% of the shares will be held by institutional investors who are under an obligation to look after there shareholders best interests... basically its unlikely they turn down an offer significantly above market valuation (currently 36bn I think) so he might need to go higher

so with teh 10% he already owns hes probably got a decent chance of pulling it off ... though knowing him hes going to try and do the deal in dodgecoin or something or pull out last minute and just launch titler.me or something instead
 

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it's amazing that so many people worship this guy as if he's some genius when he's clearly just a big petulant man-child egomaniac sociopathic cuntbag.
Well I think he's a big petulant man-child egomaniac sociopathic cuntbag genius :D

This is probably controversial but for me he's the greatest polymath of our time, maybe even the biggest since da Vinci, I'm serious.
His companies and projects are so vastly different that it's unbelievable for me how a single person can have expertise in so many different fields. And it's not just his knowledge it's his attitude to just try everything he wants to try, no matter how unrealistic it may seem.

Just look at what he has done (of course not alone, and he didn't even found all of these companies, but he played a big, big part in all of them):

- He revolutionized the way we pay in the digital age with PayPal
- He built Tesla and started the whole e-mobility movement and revolutionized an industry with a number of established billion dollar companies that all laughed about Tesla in the beginning
- You want to go completely carbon neutral? Well let us put a few of our SolarCity collectors on your roof (of course you can charge the Tesla in your garage with it)
- The state funded NASA cuts it's missions because they are too expensive? Well let's just found a private company named Space X that provides them with reusable rockets and make their missions less expensive
- Let's ensure everyone in the world will have access to the internet in some years with our own Starlink satellites

And then there are some other projects that didn't really take off yet but could also be insane in the future:
- Hyperloop could bring a new age to tourism and maybe make short flights completely unneccessary (maybe The Boring Company will play a part in this to create tunnels faster and cheaper than ever before)
- Neuralink is one of the most promising companies and projects in the field of brain-computer-interfaces


After PayPal he could've just decided to live a fancy and relaxed life. He would never have had to work again ever (is this correct grammar? I'm starting to hear the voice of my mad english teacher in my head...).
But he decided to put all the money into creating Space X and Tesla.
He's certainly the greatest entrepreneur of our time and for me the biggest polymath in centuries.
But he's also a lunatic with social issues.
 

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He's gonna be financially stretched by this if it goes through. He doesn't have anywhere near the cash, will have to leverage his TSLA holdings and banks will probably want hefty margins to take it as collateral.
 

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He's gonna be financially stretched by this if it goes through. He doesn't have anywhere near the cash, will have to leverage his TSLA holdings and banks will probably want hefty margins to take it as collateral.
why would they want hefty margins? Loans are cheap as
 

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why would they want hefty margins? Loans are cheap as
Not the rate, but taking TSLA stock as collateral for $40 billion or whatever he needs in loans, plus any he already has. Because TSLA is a volatile stock, so they'll probably want more than the usual 120% of loan value as collateral.
 

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He's gonna be financially stretched by this if it goes through. He doesn't have anywhere near the cash, will have to leverage his TSLA holdings and banks will probably want hefty margins to take it as collateral.
nah... he will send dodgecoin to the moon and use that to pay (or try to then have a hissy fit when they wont accept)
 

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Not the rate, but taking TSLA stock as collateral for $40 billion or whatever he needs in loans, plus any he already has. Because TSLA is a volatile stock, so they'll probably want more than the usual 120% of loan value as collateral.
wow, didn’t realise it was costing that much!
 

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What are the chances he's just talking to influence the value of his recently acquired stake? At first I thought 40 billion was way too much for twitter, but if it's only 10% over valuation it's not going to work, and he'll know it.
 

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Well I think he's a big petulant man-child egomaniac sociopathic cuntbag genius :D

This is probably controversial but for me he's the greatest polymath of our time, maybe even the biggest since da Vinci, I'm serious.
His companies and projects are so vastly different that it's unbelievable for me how a single person can have expertise in so many different fields. And it's not just his knowledge it's his attitude to just try everything he wants to try, no matter how unrealistic it may seem.

Just look at what he has done (of course not alone, and he didn't even found all of these companies, but he played a big, big part in all of them):

- He revolutionized the way we pay in the digital age with PayPal
- He built Tesla and started the whole e-mobility movement and revolutionized an industry with a number of established billion dollar companies that all laughed about Tesla in the beginning
- You want to go completely carbon neutral? Well let us put a few of our SolarCity collectors on your roof (of course you can charge the Tesla in your garage with it)
- The state funded NASA cuts it's missions because they are too expensive? Well let's just found a private company named Space X that provides them with reusable rockets and make their missions less expensive
- Let's ensure everyone in the world will have access to the internet in some years with our own Starlink satellites

And then there are some other projects that didn't really take off yet but could also be insane in the future:
- Hyperloop could bring a new age to tourism and maybe make short flights completely unneccessary (maybe The Boring Company will play a part in this to create tunnels faster and cheaper than ever before)
- Neuralink is one of the most promising companies and projects in the field of brain-computer-interfaces


After PayPal he could've just decided to live a fancy and relaxed life. He would never have had to work again ever (is this correct grammar? I'm starting to hear the voice of my mad english teacher in my head...).
But he decided to put all the money into creating Space X and Tesla.
He's certainly the greatest entrepreneur of our time and for me the biggest polymath in centuries.
But he's also a lunatic with social issues.
While I agree with the majority of the post, I wouldn't call Musk a polymath. He has (or had) decent programming skills, and probably ok math skills as someone who had some higher education, but that's not what I would call someone a polymath.

He is definitely the greatest entrepreneur of our era though, no doubt there.

PS: He was also the co-founder of OpenAI (essentially providing the money at the beginning, and hiring some people before leaving) which is one of the coolest AI companies right there.
 

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This is probably controversial but for me he's the greatest polymath of our time, maybe even the biggest since da Vinci, I'm serious.


In all seriousness, calling him a polymath is ridiculous. At best he's a great entrepreneur who has no doubt created some very valuable companies, and who was also helped along by his rich father. If you want to call him "the biggest since X", make it Rockefeller or someone, he's no da Vinci.
 
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If Tumblr didn't ban porn, twitter would be a very different place. It wasn't a conservative paradise before but it wasn't so lib dominated.
This is so confusing. A load of blue haired libs used to rely on Tumbler for their porn and now they’ve moved to Twitter to seek it out instead?!? What kind of depraved maniacs can’t have their porn needs sufficiently met by YouPorn?
 

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it's unbelievable for me how a single person can have expertise in so many different fields.
That's good, because he has no expertise in any of these fields. He's good at identifying what to throw his money behind, but that's about it.
- He revolutionized the way we pay in the digital age with PayPal
He founded X.com, a company that offered online banking solutions. They later merged with Confinity, the company that made PayPal. After the merger, Musk was CEO for 6 months before getting the boot. So that's a no on that one.
- He built Tesla and started the whole e-mobility movement and revolutionized an industry with a number of established billion dollar companies that all laughed about Tesla in the beginning
He bought an electric car manufacturer, paid to be named a founder and then drove out the actual founders. But credit to him, he's helped popularize electric cars and made.
- Hyperloop could bring a new age to tourism and maybe make short flights completely unneccessary (maybe The Boring Company will play a part in this to create tunnels faster and cheaper than ever before)
Hyperloop isn't a solution to anything, it's just tubular fire hazards with very limited capacity.
- Neuralink is one of the most promising companies and projects in the field of brain-computer-interfaces
According to whom? Experts aren't particularly impressed but what they've done so far. It's mostly been Elon making wild claims and a bunch of animal cruelty.
 

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While I agree with the majority of the post, I wouldn't call Musk a polymath. He has (or had) decent programming skills, and probably ok math skills as someone who had some higher education, but that's not what I would call someone a polymath.

He is definitely the greatest entrepreneur of our era though, no doubt there.

PS: He was also the co-founder of OpenAI (essentially providing the money at the beginning, and hiring some people before leaving) which is one of the coolest AI companies right there.
Depends on the definition I think. Saying he's an expert in math and physic is less impressive than being an expert in various IT topics ranging from software to hardware and networks, e-mobility, space flights and rockets, ....
 

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Depends on the definition I think. Saying he's an expert in math and physic is less impressive than being an expert in various IT topics ranging from software to hardware and networks, e-mobility, space flights and rockets, ....
Mate you can’t be an expert on space without being an expert in physics. The rockets don’t get up there by magic.
 

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Depends on the definition I think. Saying he's an expert in math and physic is less impressive than being an expert in various IT topics ranging from software to hardware and networks, e-mobility, space flights and rockets, ....
He's not really an expert in math or physics, is he? He's definitely not an expert in space flight or rockets.
 

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Has anyone else come close to this level of success and diversity by the time they are just 50 in the last century? Of course he is a polymath and a genius. Beyond a point, you don't just remain an engineer or a project manager. And just because you are the CEO, doesn't mean you know jack shit.

Understandably unlikeable to a fair few due to his personality but I don't like the idea of limiting him to someone who just knows where to put his money. Obviously would have had a huge say in the making of these companies even if he wasn't an actual founder.
 

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He founded X.com, a company that offered online banking solutions. They later merged with Confinity, the company that made PayPal. After the merger, Musk was CEO for 6 months before getting the boot. So that's a no on that one.
Didn't he want to keep the name X.com?
 

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That's good, because he has no expertise in any of these fields. He's good at identifying what to throw his money behind, but that's about it.

He founded X.com, a company that offered online banking solutions. They later merged with Confinity, the company that made PayPal. After the merger, Musk was CEO for 6 months before getting the boot. So that's a no on that one.

He bought an electric car manufacturer, paid to be named a founder and then drove out the actual founders. But credit to him, he's helped popularize electric cars and made.

Hyperloop isn't a solution to anything, it's just tubular fire hazards with very limited capacity.

According to whom? Experts aren't particularly impressed but what they've done so far. It's mostly been Elon making wild claims and a bunch of animal cruelty.
Well I said the he of course didn't do everything on his own.
I read the book about Musk by Ashlee Vance. Even those who wanted him kicked out of PayPal don't deny that he and X.com played an important part.

And maybe you should read the story how he presented two of his lead engineers a manual and plan on how they could build their own rockets at Space X after they failed to acquire some from Russia. The knowledge how to build those rockets and some parts as well as where and how to get them was completely self-taught. The engineers said they couldn't believe what he came up with.

Saying Hyperloop isn't a solution to anything is a bit short-sighted I feel. It's like saying cars aren't a solution to anything because we have horse carriages.
 

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That's a fact.
To give him his dues I think his clinical personality (pretty much sociopathic) lends itself well to leading huge organisations, it would seem like his desire to organise, solve simple and complex problems and make things more efficient is more of a personality driven compulsion than something someone can be an ‘expert’ in.

That sociopath nature also means he has no qualms in shilling his empire constantly walking a tightrope above illegal market manipulation. He is selling a dream ultimately. You only have to see how he behaved in crypto currency to see how he would ideally love to behave in the business world if the law allowed him to. He’s a scary bloke tbh.
 

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Mate you can’t be an expert on space without being an expert in physics. The rockets don’t get up there by magic.
Yes of course.
I wanted to say (english is not my first language) that it's very hard to compare polymaths of today to those of some centuries ago.

During da Vincis time the field of applied math (mostly IT today) and physic wasn't nearly as broad as it is today.

So I'd argue that being a polymath was "easier" 500 years ago and that for me today it qualifies for being a polymath even if you're "only" an expert on multiple fields of math and physic.
 

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Well I think he's a big petulant man-child egomaniac sociopathic cuntbag genius :D

This is probably controversial but for me he's the greatest polymath of our time, maybe even the biggest since da Vinci, I'm serious.
His companies and projects are so vastly different that it's unbelievable for me how a single person can have expertise in so many different fields. And it's not just his knowledge it's his attitude to just try everything he wants to try, no matter how unrealistic it may seem.

Just look at what he has done (of course not alone, and he didn't even found all of these companies, but he played a big, big part in all of them):

- He revolutionized the way we pay in the digital age with PayPal
- He built Tesla and started the whole e-mobility movement and revolutionized an industry with a number of established billion dollar companies that all laughed about Tesla in the beginning
- You want to go completely carbon neutral? Well let us put a few of our SolarCity collectors on your roof (of course you can charge the Tesla in your garage with it)
- The state funded NASA cuts it's missions because they are too expensive? Well let's just found a private company named Space X that provides them with reusable rockets and make their missions less expensive
- Let's ensure everyone in the world will have access to the internet in some years with our own Starlink satellites

And then there are some other projects that didn't really take off yet but could also be insane in the future:
- Hyperloop could bring a new age to tourism and maybe make short flights completely unneccessary (maybe The Boring Company will play a part in this to create tunnels faster and cheaper than ever before)
- Neuralink is one of the most promising companies and projects in the field of brain-computer-interfaces


After PayPal he could've just decided to live a fancy and relaxed life. He would never have had to work again ever (is this correct grammar? I'm starting to hear the voice of my mad english teacher in my head...).
But he decided to put all the money into creating Space X and Tesla.
He's certainly the greatest entrepreneur of our time and for me the biggest polymath in centuries.
But he's also a lunatic with social issues.
Good lord :lol:
 

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In all seriousness, calling him a polymath is ridiculous. At best he's a great entrepreneur who has no doubt created some very valuable companies, and who was also helped along by his rich father. If you want to call him "the biggest since X", make it Rockefeller or someone, he's no da Vinci.
Not sure that this is accurate. He seems that he worked during his studies to be able to fund them). But he started his first company without any money, and later his father funded the company by 20K which was 10% or so of the second funding round.

The company was sold for over 300M with Musk and his brother getting over 10% of it.
 

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Depends on the definition I think. Saying he's an expert in math and physic is less impressive than being an expert in various IT topics ranging from software to hardware and networks, e-mobility, space flights and rockets, ....
He is not an expert in them though, except having been a good coder (and even then, there is nothing to suggest that he was anything more than 'good', unlike for example someone like Bill Gates who was brilliant at it).

He is not an expert in hardware, space flights, rockets or various IT topics.

He is a brilliant entrepreneur and seems to have a great vision, and then push for great products and market them brilliantly. But it is not like he is the technical guru behind them.
 

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This is so confusing. A load of blue haired libs used to rely on Tumbler for their porn and now they’ve moved to Twitter to seek it out instead?!? What kind of depraved maniacs can’t have their porn needs sufficiently met by YouPorn?
It's mostly drawn smut and other sub-genres that those sites don't traditionally cater for. A lot of tumblr users were people who identified as non-binary and had different tastes (I'm not sure whether to use the word "queer" here). If you see someone with a cartoon/drawn avatar then they are usually a tumblr refugee.
 

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Has anyone else come close to this level of success and diversity by the time they are just 50 in the last century? Of course he is a polymath and a genius. Beyond a point, you don't just remain an engineer or a project manager. And just because you are the CEO, doesn't mean you know jack shit.

Understandably unlikeable to a fair few due to his personality but I don't like the idea of limiting him to someone who just knows where to put his money. Obviously would have had a huge say in the making of these companies even if he wasn't an actual founder.
I think the most unique thing was that he did this in different companies, but when it comes to diversity, Larry Page and Sergey Brin did that too. And unlike Elon, they really had a strong computer science background, to be considered real experts there.

Google (search engine), GMail (the email provider), Youtube (buying it but then further developing it, probably similar to Tesla for Elon), Google Chrome (top browser and dethroning Internet Explorer), Google cloud (one of top three cloud services), Google AI (by far the leading AI institution in the world), DeepMind (coolest AI institution in the world, though Google just bought and funded it), Waymo (leading autonomous driving company), Calico (one of the leading genetics companies) etc etc. Just that they are all under Alphabet, but the likes of Google search engine, GMail, Youtube, chrome, cloud would have been hundred billion companies on their own, as would likely be Google AI. Waymo would not been far off, considering that less developed autonomous driving companies like Argo AI, Cruise or Aurora are worth 10B or more.

And well, e-payments, electric cars and space rockets are different to each other, but so are emails, search engines, AI, autonomous cars or genetics.

Still have to hear people calling Larry Page a polymath.