The potential was clear to see when he was at Southampton IMO. As for Pep, has he bought any superstar?
Also how do we know that Pep can't get stoke promoted though?
Why are Pep and Klopp so good?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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Also how do we know that Pep can't get stoke promoted though?
Commonly accepted that Alisson is better than Ederson and Kelleher is certainly thought more highly of than Steffen. Goalkeepers: 1-0 Liverpool.
Then the centre-backs. Van Dijk is meant to be the best in the world, and overall most would agree that Liverpool's four are better than City's four as most people don't rate Stones or Aké highly. 2-0 Liverpool.
Left-back, obviously Robertson is better than anything we've got in that position. Almost anyone you ask would also take Trent over Walker on the right. 3-0 Liverpool.
Personally I think Rodri is better than Fabinho, but most Liverpool fans would debate that in my experience. 3-1 Liverpool.
Bernardo/Gundogan/De Bruyne is undeniably light years ahead of Liverpool's midfield options. 3-2 Liverpool.
But Liverpool's main five forwards are so much better than City's current five. It's not even close. Salah, Mané, Jota and Diaz all start for City without a doubt. 4-2 Liverpool.
I don't see why the idea that City's squad is worse than Liverpool's is viewed as ridiculous when if you asked the average football fan whether they think a Liverpool player is better or their counterpart in the City squad, they'd usually go Liverpool.
Squad and first 11.
Now I think it's close. Liverpool have done very good job in closing the gap.
That's not how football works at all. Maybe in videogames but not in real life. Pep gets to make suggestions, sure, but he doesn't have the final say as to who City sign and who they don't.
Not many people claimed that VVD was the best CB in the world back then, no one claimed that Alisson was the best GK in the world, and the best DM in the world was an okay RB playing for Monaco.
If you look at each squad NOT including the first XI, you get this:
Kelleher, Karius, Adrian, Tsimikas, Gomez, Williams, Konaté, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Jones, Elliot, Minamino, Diaz, Firmino, Origi
vs
Steffen, Carson, Zinchenko, Aké, Stones, Fernandinho, Gundogan, Grealish, Palmer, Jesus
General consensus? Liverpool's depth has more quality than City's. Kelleher has been referred to as the best backup goalkeeper in the world this season, Tsimikas as the best backup left-back.
The frustration is that the same fans will claim that Liverpool have the better players than City in almost every position including the bench, then claim Pep only wins because he has the best players.
Yeah, it's close for sure. It comes down to individual preferences. People just change their opinions depending on what argument they are having. Player vs player, they support player, coach vs coach, they support coach saying coach x works with poor squad.
Anyways credit to Liverpool for building as good a squad without spending as much, All their strikers cost around 30-35 million which is awesome for the quality of the attack they have, same with defense too. Only Van Dijk cost big money and he is worth every penny.
nope. John Stones made the PFA team of the season just last year. I believe VVD the only Pool player to ever make it People don't think Liverpool's four are better. its pretty much one main dude.
Walker starts over Trent for England so thats false.
Diaz has 5 goals. Sterling has more and Mahrez has 23 goals. think you are being disrespectful here
Moyes, Mourinho and Ole were hardly "tactical" managers.
I just feel like we hardly have a manager with a deep tactic or philosophy - when we did they end up a bit old in terms of Van Gaal's philosophy or even Mourinho's Park the bus physical philosophy.
Pep is the best possesion based manager. Klop is the best gegenpressing manager.
That's why they are successful.
I just feel like we hardly have a manager with a deep tactic or philosophy - when we did they end up a bit old in terms of Van Gaal's philosophy or even Mourinho's Park the bus physical philosophy.
Pep is the best possesion based manager. Klop is the best gegenpressing manager.
That's why they are successful.
People seems refuse to accept that Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Contes are just head coach. They are not even head of the scout department. They work with the DOF and scout department on transfer and are consulted which positions needed to be strengthen, and what kind of players they are looking for. The football manager position like SAF and Wenger no longer exists.
Would have loved to see how Fergie would have took on these two. Could he have evolved and became a 95-100 point manager? He certainly would have done far better with the billion spent since his retirement
How about you ask any Liverpool fan here if they'll be willing to switch those players if the City players are better as you seem to think, i doubt you'll find any Liverpool fan willing to switch.
Stones was a laughing stock here before last season.
Southgate is just being stubborn when it comes to TAA, everyone knows his offensive input is 10x better than Walker's.
You think Mahrez is better than Salah ? Diaz in Pep's system will be scoring more than Sterling IMO.
Both City & Liverpool are sensational but if last night/tonight has shown anything it’s that to compete with them you have to attack them.
I pray EtH just gets us playing good football & we start going toe-to-tie with these lot.
I pray EtH just gets us playing good football & we start going toe-to-tie with these lot.
A little encouragement from Klopp is enough to inspire any player to greater heights:
It's a perfect mix of leadership qualities, academical knowledge of human physics and a great capacity not only to put what they have learned into training and match environment, they also create their own knowledge and methodology that seems to be very efficient.
Many other managers probably have more know-how about the game and actually might have amazing ideas, but when it comes to put those ideas on a football field on a functional way, they just don't have enough capacity to create their own versions of training methods.
Many other managers probably have more know-how about the game and actually might have amazing ideas, but when it comes to put those ideas on a football field on a functional way, they just don't have enough capacity to create their own versions of training methods.
Inhalers and PEDs
-With some differences, both use modern tactical systems that allows for dominating matches in terms of territory and chance creation.
-Recruitment geared toward finding players with the specific attributes to play this kind of football.
-Very strong man management that keeps players motivated and the team cohesive, without too much player power.
-Enough success/backing to stay in the job for a while, allowing them to create stability, entrench system knowledge, further build strong team culture.
It's not magic and can be replicated elsewhere as long as you have a certain amount of money and a strong footballing organization. But most clubs fail one or both of those tests.
-Recruitment geared toward finding players with the specific attributes to play this kind of football.
-Very strong man management that keeps players motivated and the team cohesive, without too much player power.
-Enough success/backing to stay in the job for a while, allowing them to create stability, entrench system knowledge, further build strong team culture.
It's not magic and can be replicated elsewhere as long as you have a certain amount of money and a strong footballing organization. But most clubs fail one or both of those tests.
It's only Pep. Klopp is a failure.
This can't be real
