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Everything is rotten, everything - the owners, the board, the players. Only the fans remain from our once great club. God help Erik Ten Hag, because this is beyond terrible. I'm a fourth generation Red and attended my first game in 1986; I can honestly say this is the most disheartened I have ever been. My dad attended his first game in 1964 and says the same. The club is hollowed out, devoid of any passion or direction. I fear for the future; we are at a fork in the road now: either we sort ourselves out very soon or we just fade away for many years. It isn't the club I grew up with; we seem to be just an income stream for absentee and reviled owners, without a plan and without a care. I'm at a loss, there is no sense of solidarity or belief any more.
 

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I really don’t care anymore. This team, the whole club is rotten. What a shite show from a club that was once at the pinnacle.
 
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I really don’t care anymore. This team, the whole club is rotten. What a shite show from a club that was once at the pinnacle.
Absolutely. This isn't Manchester United. When I was a kid in the late 1980s we were a bad side, but it still felt like it was United and there was hope. Now it seems there is no soul, no leadership; it's just balance sheets and branding. Football is increasingly heading that way and, as one of the biggest clubs on the planet, perhaps it's inevitable we would lead the way in that monetisation.
 

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Wonder how Fergie feels about him selling out to the Glazers now

Club is a joke right now
 

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Absolutely. This isn't Manchester United. When I was a kid in the late 1980s we were a bad side, but it still felt like it was United and there was hope. Now it seems there is no soul, no leadership; it's just balance sheets and branding. Football is increasingly heading that way and, as one of the biggest clubs on the planet, perhaps it's inevitable we would lead the way in that monetisation.
I still love my football club. I love what it used to be and what is should stand for. From 2013 onwards, I care less and less. Back in the day, when we lost it would kill me inside. I would be upset for at least two days. Sometimes longer. I’ll forget about this by the time the Liv Tot game. That says all you need to know.
 

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I agree with the OP. For literally decades, I didn’t miss watching a game basically. As things turned bad, the habit sustained me and I watched anyway. This last month, I’ve usually found something more worthwhile to do with my time.
 

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I feel very little for United at the moment. I can't stand many of the players. Can't even get behind most of the academy players or local lads anymore as they turn out to be pricks. It's a sad state of affairs really
 

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I dont care anymore. Going to make a point by not going to home matches or paying for sky, unless it gets better.
 

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United has had its lifeblood sucked away the last 17 years. We just have to hope that the people running the football club next season (not just the first XI coach) are given authority to decide footballing matters and are competent. Personally I have no real faith in change while the Glazers remain in charge.
 

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Lost 4-0. I don’t give a shit. The club is rotten. It’s an outdated establishment that is miles behind other big clubs
 

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Ten Hag isn't just inheriting a broken squad. He's inheriting a jaded fanbase too.
Atleast the fanbase will have his back as we are all in agreement that the players are the problem.
 

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Club is rotten and has rewarded poor players too much too early, kept renewing dross and setup too much of a casual "family" nature to where any winning mentality or drive to win most games is lost, players come here and quickly get sucked into the malaise at the club from years of chinless wonders employed by the Glazers continually getting everything wrong at the club, blind leading the blind in recruitment from the top. All we can say was the money was there, I doubt many other clubs/boards could fail this badly in spending over a billion, it's a failure against the law of averages to get this so wrong each time.

The chasm Fergie left was quite immense.

We have to see if Murtough and ten Hag etc can start to turn the tide. Ralf's appointment and Sancho's alleged wages don't fill me with much confidence but I'm willing to see how we go from next season. I hope we can support the new manager and put some authority back into the club by a group of people. You need a strong balance of firm but fair that Fergie had, the club is too cap in hand to players.
 
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Absolutely. This isn't Manchester United. When I was a kid in the late 1980s we were a bad side, but it still felt like it was United and there was hope. Now it seems there is no soul, no leadership; it's just balance sheets and branding. Football is increasingly heading that way and, as one of the biggest clubs on the planet, perhaps it's inevitable we would lead the way in that monetisation.
80s no matter how bad we could be at times, they still gave everything even on their worse days.
 

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Threads like this makes me wonder how the likes of Norwich even have any fans. It's a phase, a pretty bad one at that and shall eventually pass. Maybe in a couple of years or maybe a decade later. I am not even a 2nd generation red but I don't think I can ever be alienated by the club. Can count some United moments as even the best moments of my life.

Learn to live with the fact that we can't win or even be good all the time for decades. Nothing worse than a good times fan.
 
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80s no matter how bad we could be at times, they still gave everything even on their worse days.
I totally agree, mate. Even when we were poor, you never doubted that the players understood what it means to play for United. They knew the history and they cared. These players, with a couple of exceptions, don't give a shit, though they are earning a hundred times what the players in the eighties did. It doesn't have to be so, just look at what it means to Klopp's players and Pep's players. They have a vision to believe in.
 

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I felt disheartened in the space between the super League and when things came undone for Ole. It's got worse since but the super League was the big one
 

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I hate the players. Its hard to support this current crop

Overpaid lazy mercenaries
 

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I totally agree, mate. Even when we were poor, you never doubted that the players understood what it means to play for United. They knew the history and they cared. These players, with a couple of exceptions, don't give a shit, though they are earning a hundred times what the players in the eighties did. It doesn't have to be so, just look at what it means to Klopp's players and Pep's players. They have a vision to believe in.
The younger players that came up from our academy etc should be ashamed and need to go watch some documentaries on United and Robson and Charlton and Ferguson.
 

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I hate the players. Its hard to support this current crop

Overpaid lazy mercenaries
I mean I wouldn't call it hate but they sure are an unlikeable bunch aren't they. All talk but nothing to show for.
 

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Threads like this makes me wonder how the likes of Norwich even have any fans. It's a phase, a pretty bad one at that and shall eventually pass. Maybe in a couple of years or maybe a decade later. I am not even a 2nd generation red but I don't think I can ever be alienated by the club. Can count some United moments as even the best moments of my life.

Learn to live with the fact that we can't win or even be good all the time for decades. Nothing worse than a good times fan.
It's not so much that it's a good times fan. I don't think anyone here expects us to be winning all the time and winning multiple trophies a season or anything like that. You can't compare the situation to Norwich because Norwich don't have anywhere near the amount of stature that we have. We don't have as much money as PSG and City but we have money, we have standards and we have "heritage."

The problem is the way the football club has been run into the doldrums by owners who don't care one iota about the club at all, only lining their own pockets, we've seen over a billion stripped from the club, a club in hundreds of millions of debt, a board who have treated this club like it's own personal play thing, a board who was mostly run by bankers with zero clue on football deciding who should be signed and for why, a team who are vastly overpayed with appalling attitudes who don't even bother giving their all on the field, a team constantly leaking to the media about the club, a team with the technical ability of a gnat and the physical presence of a wet paper bag. This has been going on for years and quite frankly im shocked you can't believe people are being alienated from their club?

This isn't some phase where the club has been doing amazing but all of a sudden we've seen a sudden downturn in fortunes and playing below our ability for a few seasons now so people are crying because we aren't winning trophies. People like me just want to see some actual fight, I want to see us competing, I want to see us playing football on the front foot not like a bunch of cowards trying our hardest to limit the scoreline against teams like Brighton. I want to see some evidence this club is heading in the right direction, that all the money we spent is being spent wisely and not on some massive dross, that our football on the pitch is heading in the right direction. I don't expect us to win every match, hell I would love us to but that's not realistic, I don't necessarily care if we lose matches because it will happen to the best of teams, but my god to fold like a pack of cards before the whistle has even blown, in multiple matches is a disgrace.

I could go on and on but quite frankly I don't think I need to after everything, not one person here is going to claim they want us to be good all the time, but come on..
 
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It's not so much that it's a good times fan. I don't think anyone here expects us to be winning all the time and winning multiple trophies a season or anything like that. You can't compare the situation to Norwich because Norwich don't have anywhere near the amount of stature that we have. We don't have as much money as PSG and City but we have money, we have standards and we have "heritage."

The problem is the way the football club has been run into the doldrums by owners who don't care one iota about the club at all, only lining their own pockets, we've seen over a billion stripped from the club, a club in hundreds of millions of debt, a board who have treated this club like it's own personal play thing, a board who was mostly run by bankers with zero clue on football deciding who should be signed and for why, a team who are vastly overpayed with appalling attitudes who don't even bother giving their all on the field, a team constantly leaking to the media about the club, a team with the technical ability of a gnat and the physical presence of a wet paper bag. This has been going on for years and quite frankly im shocked you can't believe people are being alienated from their club?

This isn't some phase where the club has been doing amazing but all of a sudden we've seen a sudden downturn in fortunes and playing below our ability for a few seasons now so people are crying because we aren't winning trophies. People like me just want to see some actual fight, I want to see us competing, I want to see us playing football on the front foot not like a bunch of cowards trying our hardest to limit the scoreline against teams like Brighton. I want to see some evidence this club is heading in the right direction, that all the money we spent is being spent wisely and not on some massive dross, that our football on the pitch is heading in the right direction. I don't expect us to win every match, hell I would love us to but that's not realistic, I don't necessarily care if we lose matches because it will happen to the best of teams, but my god to fold like a pack of cards before the whistle has even blown, in multiple matches is a disgrace.

I could go on and on but quite frankly I don't think I need to after everything, not one person here is going to claim they want us to be good all the time, but come on..
Spot on! Our current predicament goes way beyond form and any sense of entitlement; the club is being run into the ground. It's structural and long term, not a blip.
 

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Club this Club that.... its not a club anymore for feck sake.

It's a brand. That's it. Football is way down the order.

Until football is put back first and foremost as a priority even the idea of "club" stays a million miles away.

But make no mistake It's not a club. Never will be again.
 

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It wont get much better next season, unless we change half the squad
Well we have around 10 out the door so we probably will through a few incomings and promotions.
 

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Ste Howson said something tonight that chimed with me. He talked about how he feels that getting to Manchester United has become the final destination for many of players, rather than it being just the opportunity for them to go on and achieve great things. Too many of our lot act like they have made it, without ever going on to deliver tangible success at Old Trafford.
 

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Everything starts with the Glazer parasites. As long as they’re the owners, they’ll suck the life and soul out of the club.

Fecking disease that we can’t cure.
 

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Hopefully a good manager can change things just like Klopp changed Liverpool.

We need to nail the summer signings.
 
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Oh you bunch of drama queens.

We're a bit down.

It's a cycle of football.
A cycle of life.

We will rise.
It isn't just a matter of results, it goes much deeper. It's about what the club is meant to represent. Right now it doesn't represent anything; I don't feel it represents me, which is a new phenomenon.
 

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Everything starts with the Glazer parasites. As long as they’re the owners, they’ll suck the life and soul out of the club.

Fecking disease that we can’t cure.
One day we'll be free from the Glazers; keep the faith. It will require a sustained, collective effort from the fanbase to get them out. We all know what utter scumbags the Glazer family are. It's now time to force change.
 

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Got to admit I’m getting as uninterested as the players are. I’m convinced we do not have the skills needed either on the pitch or in the management, recruitment or anywhere to get back to serious title challengers. We are light years away from City, Pool and possibly even N’Castle by next season.
 

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Honestly, the Glazers/Woodward have disgraced this club with 2 specific actions the past year.

The super league nonsense was such a slap in the face to this historic club and its fans. It went against everything Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson stood for and built. It was embarrassing. I wish someone could have booted them all out of the club then. It was disgusting to witness.

The 2nd thing though is the lack of overall accountability following the 5-0 loss to Liverpool at Old Trafford. We've had poor results before. We lost 6-1 at Old Trafford to City with SAF, but we were title challengers then and we had a man down that game.

That loss came during a string of terrible performances/results and led by a group of people who've overseen a trophy barren spell for 4 years at that point. There were zero repercussions for that game. Heads should have rolled. The only repercussion was making the next game vs an absolutely terrible Spurs team led by Nuno "a must win" as if one win against a lowly team completely negates the previous loss. It was embarrassing to witness. They again spat on the fans, but more-so they spat on the club itself.

It's a bit curious that the only time this club has had incredible success is during SAF or Sir Matt Busby leading the club for 20+ years.

Almost feels like this club/fanbase doesn't know what to do unless it's got a SAF-like figure being the manager.
 

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God this board is slowly turning into rawk with each passing day.
How so? There are no “we will win the league next year” or “Maguire is better than van dijik” threads. If anything, this board is more grounded than rawk.

Yes the pessimism is off the charts but the club’s players, coaching and the board have given the fans little cause for optimism, not just this year but for close to a decade.