Is it fair of Ralf Rangnick to give Erik ten Hag a dossier of the players, or should he say nothing and let the players have a clean slate?

The feck is this thread? These players have had countless chances and have failed to produce time after time. Get them the feck out the club and start a fresh. Let’s give ETH the best possible chance of succeeding.

The Oracle said:

With recent reports suggesting that Ralf will provide the new manager with a full report of our current squad, is it the right way to go, or should the players be allowed a fresh start when the new manager takes over?

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Its obvious these players have not got the mentality.

I don't thing Tenhag will need any help with judging players however Ralf should absolutely fill him in on what they are like behind closed doors

Here's an idea:

Instead of giving these bunch a clean slate, how about we actually give players with actual clean slates a chance?

We might need 6-10 players and I think this number doesn't all have to come from new signings. We actually have some promising young players we can start giving games to.

First off Ralf Rangnick confirmed a week or two back that there is no dossier and that the club never asked him to compile one. But even if there was I doubt it would make much difference to ETH. I imagine he will want to work with the players first hand and make his own assessment. ETH would probably never say it publicly but it's clear that this squad has been very poorly managed this season on top of the issues that players themselves have with potential attitude problems.

I never understood this clean slate BS. Players cost the club a bomb in terms of fee and salaries. The moment they don't perform to the high standards requested then there's a big problem that needs to be solved. Sure one has to have a look at stuff like injury records etc. However there's very little reason for a 100k-400k a week person not to perform his job to the high standards expected.

Now let's turn at United. First of all we probably brought Rangnick in to have a look at the squad and give his honest review about it. We didn't bring him in to succeed else we would have provided him with funds in January and we would have brought a better pool of coaches in. If Rangnick isn't allowed to give his 2c about this squad then why the feck had we brought him in? Secondly United will be forced to give a clean slate to some players as we won't be able to replace all this squad at one go. We will be able to add 5-6 players at max. Which is why most of these aholes are still performing badly. They know that they can't be replaced

Rangnick has to provide detailed information to the next manager and recruitment department. Otherwise we have nothing to come out of his tenure and no forward planning.

If you've got a fairly large restructuring of the playing squad required in the summer, then how can you possibly give every player a clean slate? That creates inefficiency.

The club and probably even the new manager should be forming a view on who is useful and who is not.

The Mitcher said:

I hope Ten Hag says thanks, then promptly throws it in the bin.

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And give more time to shit, overrated players who will play well for ETH at the beginning and then down their tools when it gets tough? ETH should take advice/input from Rangnick and then do his own thing according to his philosophy.

devilish said:

I never understood this clean slate BS. Players cost the club a bomb in terms of fee and salaries. The moment they don't perform to the high standards requested then there's a big problem that needs to be solved. Sure one has to have a look at stuff like injury records etc. However there's very little reason for a 100k-400k a week person not to perform his job to the high standards expected.

Now let's turn at United. First of all we probably brought Rangnick in to have a look at the squad and give his honest review about it. We didn't bring him in to succeed else we would have provided him with funds in January and we would have brought a better pool of coaches in. If Rangnick isn't allowed to give his 2c about this squad then why the feck had we brought him in? Secondly United will be forced to give a clean slate to some players as we won't be able to replace all this squad at one go. We will be able to add 5-6 players at max. Which is why most of these aholes are still performing badly. They know that they can't be replaced

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Finally, a post that makes sense and is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Memento28 said:

And give more time to shit, overrated players who will play well for ETH at the beginning and then down their tools when it gets tough? ETH should take advice/input from Rangnick and then do his own thing according to his philosophy.

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If you think a manager of his calibre and knowledfe of the game has not done his homework, you're crazy. In fact, wasn't the reason he got the job was because in his interview, he told Fletch and Murtough what was wrong and how he'd fix it in brutally honest fashion?

He doesn't need a fraud like Rangnick who has none of his talent to present a stupid dossier to him. He'll also see more of it himself in training, he'll even know from staff who know the players better than Ralf, who would fit and who won't.

The less he listens to that failure, the better.

The Oracle said:

With recent reports suggesting that Ralf will provide the new manager with a full report of our current squad, is it the right way to go, or should the players be allowed a fresh start when the new manager takes over?

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Why wouldn't he do that?

You realize that we are talking about a professional sports team that get paid a ton of money to do this job, and not a U10 team you train at the park, right?

I just don't get all this 'niceness' idea. Is that a Gen Z thing?

This is a bussines where most of the time you need to be opposite of that in order to be successful.

feck a clean slate

Dossier schmosier... there are multiple ways of improving this team and ETH will pick a few and can't address all this summer.

A Goal difference of 0 or negative over a season if/when CP beat us is shocking.

Patience and backing is needed as he won't fix what we all want. Some of the dross and deadwood will have to stay. Some incoming players won't be exciting some of the youth wont get a lookin.

The Mitcher said:

If you think a manager of his calibre and knowledfe of the game has not done his homework, you're crazy. In fact, wasn't the reason he got the job was because in his interview, he told Fletch and Murtough what was wrong and how he'd fix it in brutally honest fashion?

He doesn't need a fraud like Rangnick who has none of his talent to present a stupid dossier to him. He'll also see more of it himself in training, he'll even know from staff who know the players better than Ralf, who would fit and who won't.

The less he listens to that failure, the better.

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I am not talking about ETH, he is a good manager and I am sure he has done his homework. You can't judge someone as a fraud or a failure without knowing the actual reasons he was brought in as the interim manager and what targets the board had actually set for Rangnick. In the last 10 years, Rangnick has been a manager of a team for only 2 years before he came to United, if the goal was to reach the top 4 and actually improve the team why would the board hire someone like Rangnick who hasn't managed teams for long periods in the last decade and also not make any signings in January? You will start calling ETH also a fraud/failure when he gives time to players who don't give a feck about United and those players down their tools when things don't go their way, you fail to realize how badly the club was being run and, in my opinion, the manager is a scapegoat.