Bruno is a good to very good player but unless world class status has lost any sort of meaning, he isn't one.
Fernandes Vs De Bruyne
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Bruno could be up there with De Bruyne if he stopped losing the ball so much and cut out trying some of his ridiculous attempts at long crossfield passes that are mostly too short. Ten hag could make a great player out of him from next season.
He’s going to be 28 years old next season, he isn’t some young footballer learning to iron out his mistakes. This is who he is.
This threadDoesn't matter what age he is. These are simply silly mistakes that CAN be ironed out.
Absolute banter
Bruno will never have De Bruyne's ball carrying ability.
I wouldn't even Fernandes in a punch-up with Prince Harry.
I think I always rated KDB higher but did say that Bruno was better over the first 12 months of his time here.
To be honest it's not even close. There's a few tiers between them. KDB is one of the best of his generation. Bruno is just very good.
To be honest it's not even close. There's a few tiers between them. KDB is one of the best of his generation. Bruno is just very good.
Bruno only has numbers. Which is why he isn't whatever world class means. De Bruyne impacts scorelines but is also just a brilliant all round footballer.
I find this line of thinking strange to be honest. There are some things that you probably need to learn early. If you have a shit touch, or are slow at 28 you probably will always be that way.
However, the way you play can surely be altered? If an inspiring coach comes in and instils a playing method, tells you that he needs you to occupy a certain role within in and tweak a few aspects of your game and in doing so see results, you're telling me you cannot learn to do that at the grand old age of 28??
And all the coaches he has had all through his life never thought to try to iron them out, and suddenly it's Ten Haag who'll get it done?
This isn't an academy. At his stage of professional development it's entirely up to he himself (Bruno) to sort that out and no amount of coaching, save changing his position or sending him back to the academy will alter that.
Bruno creates a ton of chances because he handles the ball like a hot potato. Sure, he can stop giving the ball away so much at the age of 28. But I doubt he’s going to retain the same volume of creation given that’s how he manages such numbers in the first place.
Bruno has been coached by Ole and Ralph Rangnick. What Bruno can do next season will really determine if he is in that elite category and I think he is.
I didn’t know you could top the charts in the Premier League and not be in the conversation with regards to being world class. Bruno is undoubtably world class.
Harry Redknapp tells a story about how he told Adel Taraabt he would fine him every single time he saw him enter QPRs own half because he chased the ball around like a schoolboy on the playground and played in the wrong areas.
ETH needs to do the same with Bruno. He's a great finisher, a good presser and has the ability to play defence-splitting passes/crosses.
The flip-side to that is his ball retention is absolutely horrible and he takes insane risks that often land us in trouble. This is compounded by him chasing the ball around the pitch like a dog after a tennis ball, especially when we're getting beaten.
Therefore, we want him as far away from our goal as is possible really, to maximise the risk/reward trade-off you get with him
ETH needs to do the same with Bruno. He's a great finisher, a good presser and has the ability to play defence-splitting passes/crosses.
The flip-side to that is his ball retention is absolutely horrible and he takes insane risks that often land us in trouble. This is compounded by him chasing the ball around the pitch like a dog after a tennis ball, especially when we're getting beaten.
Therefore, we want him as far away from our goal as is possible really, to maximise the risk/reward trade-off you get with him
Bruno is an highly inconsistent player that routinely disappears against top level opponents. And he doesn't score or assist enough to compensate for his limitations in general play. I would put him alongside someone like Coutinho good player but not world class, at least not currently.
I find it so funny when people (mainly United fans too) bump this thread. De Bruyne is in the form of his life, whilst Bruno has had a poor season. Lets not forget; however, that Bruno completely transformed our team and his numbers were and still are ridiculous. In a better, more cohesive side, Bruno will absolutely smash it, especially when we get a playmaker in our team, just as City have Silva and Rodri. It means De Bruyne can stay higher up and worry about creating in the final third.
If we were to get, lets say, Neves and De Jong, for example, then we'd see Bruno back to his best. As it stands, it's ridiculous that someone would bump this thread, knowing full well that both of them are having the complete opposite seasons to date.
If we were to get, lets say, Neves and De Jong, for example, then we'd see Bruno back to his best. As it stands, it's ridiculous that someone would bump this thread, knowing full well that both of them are having the complete opposite seasons to date.
Yep, Love Bruno but him and De Bruyne are on different planets football wise.
Today. He certainly was one when he won 4 Premier League POTM in a single season, more than any player in the leagues history.
Since we know he has the level, he can become one again
What I want from Bruno is more shooting. His shot when he was playing for Sporting outside the 16m box was a constant threat. He has nearly stopped doing that alltogether.
This thread is like those RAWK Pennant vs Ronaldo threads we’d laugh at that.
Stop deluding yourselves. This isn’t even an argument, lock the thread and throw away the keys.
Stop deluding yourselves. This isn’t even an argument, lock the thread and throw away the keys.
Not for me. In my opinion world class status is something that is achieved across several seasons and you have to perform well against top opponents.
This is it really. Easy to pile on the day after De Bruyne scores 4 in a game while our entire team is stinking it up.
It's also worth noting that despite the hysteria all season and even after yesterday's masterclass, Fernandes has 10 league goals to De Bruyne's 15 and 6 assists to 7. Even their pass completion rates are borderline identical - would never know it, from the number of people on here that seem to be convinced De Bruyne never ever gives the ball away while Fernandes does it for fun!
Never thought anyone would utter these words
De Bruyne for me, no question
Where did it all go wrong Bruno, I do hope this wasn’t his peak..
I'll stand by my quote from the first page:
KDB is better but he is a cog in a machine that does not exist at this club. Bruno is more suited to what we need right now, a character that others will look to.
And that's where most of the difference lies, KDB is physically stronger which makes him far more capable of protecting the ball than Bruno. He's also a more accurate shooter than him and has a functioning left foot.
KDB is more that a 'cog in a machine'. It's quite apparent that he's given the freedom to be more adventurous on the ball than the players around him. He's very much their creative fulcrum and is different to the 'cogs' alongside him.
As for Bruno being a character others will look to - when the chips are down he hasn't delivered, particularly in the big games. Not that I'm saying the onus is on him alone to do so, but I don't see his character being a point of redemption for him; particularly when his frustrations on the pitch manifest in whining to referees, rather than rousing his team mates. His brand of football too brings additional problems to an already dysfunctional set up. For me, he simply isn't talented enough for his anarchic style of football to be given free rein in any team.
In terms of shooting and final balls, they are on same level.
But in terms of everything else (passing, build-up play, linking up midfield/attack, playmaking abilities, consistency, big game mentality etc), its night and day difference.
But if we have Bruno playing for City vs KDB playing for us, the gap might be much closer.
But in terms of everything else (passing, build-up play, linking up midfield/attack, playmaking abilities, consistency, big game mentality etc), its night and day difference.
But if we have Bruno playing for City vs KDB playing for us, the gap might be much closer.
Strange these United ‘fans’ that keep bumping them
I find these comparisons absurd as one plays in a well oiled machine and the other plays is a team that's patchier than roads in 3rd world countries. Yet I find these threads frustrating simply because there is always a tendency to underrate our players while overate opposition ones.
Bruno literally transformed our dysfunctional team into a geniune top 3 team in the span of a couple of months. I seem to remember Ole's first season in charge and how he was 90% certain to get the sack back then, but then Bruno and Covid came along and saved his career.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bruno was the reason Ole kept his job this long. My prediction was that the moment he will get injured we will struggle to finish Top4. Well, he didn't get injured, but his drop in form solidified my belief. When Bruno plays well, everyone plays well. When he is crap all our team looks laborious as hell.
As things stand KDB is the better player because he plays in the better team with better coaching. If we were to swap them around, are you sure you wouldn't be calling KDB another inconsistent under performer that is always injured?
Let's wait and see what a good round of coaching can do for Bruno. There is a reason he has stats in the same stratosphere as KDB. A bit of coaching and this might be a lot closer than people think.
No im dead serious. He has stopped scoring from outside the box (almost)
One of those threads where you’re glad to see that you don’t have any previous posts in it.
You know what's really cool? A United fan bumping a year old thread to slag off a United player. Keep being cool
City fan pretending as ManUtd fan.
I never said anything about a coach. It is down to himself to correct this or maybe someone alongside him that will let him know when he puts these passes astray.
In terms of technique, it's nowhere near. KDB > Bruno