New documents allege Saudi involvement in 9/11

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Please elaborate.
Meant Osama :wenger:

Basically, actual Govt/Kingdom being involved with some state crafted plan is unlikely. Oil or no oil they would not want to risk US annihilating their country. But given ultra religious elements there being ideologically closer to Al-Qaeda and Osama's root in SA, some elements of their military or establishment, helping them out is the most likely scenario. US might have reached the same conclusion internally with their intelligence and have chosen to avoid making it public since they know general sentiment would be for them to publish SA Govt/Kingdom no matter what, especially since they chose to fight Taliban just for sheltering Al-Qaeda.
 

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The question that should actually be raised is why is this coming out now ?

Does it have anything to do with the mohd bin salman not toeing the line as they used to ? Like them cozying upto russia and china and claiming they would sell some of its oil in chinese currency ?

Or that satirical video on biden and not taking his calls ?

This is a subtle warning to the saudis to straighten up or get overthrown. I reckon freedom and democracy might be on the line for arabia :wenger:.
 

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Check out how much money Saudi Arabia has invested in the US.
The saudis are contemplating moving out there money from the US after seeing how russian money was frozen. If the saudis don't toe the line they're broke, I wont be surprised if they started diversifying.
 

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I doubt the central players in the Saudi government were involved in the 9/11 plot. I think what happened is that the US allowed the Saudis to quietly clean house after all of this was found in the investigation so that there would be no fallout for the Saudi regime. Suited the interests of both sides. Similar to the (likely) deal involving MBS and Jamal Khashoggi's death with the US government.

You would have to be mad to think that if the Saudi government was actively involved in 9/11 that the US would have just quietly swept it under the rug with no repercussions against SA. The US military industrial complex does not know the word 'forgiveness'.
 

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Nobody would be surprised if a minor royal was involved in some way as there are thousands of them. The idea that the Saudi government organised it and/or the US government let it happen is ludicrous.

If a minor royal was involved it would have been dealt with in the usual fashion. Typically a fatal car "crash".
 
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I doubt the central players in the Saudi government were involved in the 9/11 plot. I think what happened is that the US allowed the Saudis to quietly clean house after all of this was found in the investigation so that there would be no fallout for the Saudi regime. Suited the interests of both sides. Similar to the (likely) deal involving MBS and Jamal Khashoggi's death with the US government.

You would have to be mad to think that if the Saudi government was actively involved in 9/11 that the US would have just quietly swept it under the rug with no repercussions against SA. The US military industrial complex does not know the word 'forgiveness'.
They're smarter and greedier than you give them credit.

They know who's behind but have no qualm pointing at another country and obliterate it to oblivion. They're also smart enough to know Afghanistan is a quagmire you cant get out of and ensure decades of military contract

They dont care about forgiving or retribution or anything that matters. It's all about who provides the longest war they can milk.

Hell everyone and their dogs knew it's a bad move to invade Afghanistan. Do you honestly hand in heart thinks they're that naive?
 

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The saudis are contemplating moving out there money from the US after seeing how russian money was frozen. If the saudis don't toe the line they're broke, I wont be surprised if they started diversifying.
Between this and roman got his account frozen there'll be assets going out for sure. Freezing assets is nothing new and has been done in the past but at least before you can be sure if you're not into some shady deals you'd be ok, as in not drug cartel level of money

It's a traversty what they did to roman. Even without court of justice and actually proven links other than logical conclusion that he must be one of Putin's crony.

And to be fair you cant be a billionaire in any country without some links to the government
 

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There was the supposed surveillance by Alec Station (CIA task force assigned to track AQ/OBL starting in the mid-90s) circa 1999/2000 of a known Saudi prince fox hunting with Bin Laden. That doesn't happen by coincidence. You are the company you keep.
I think that was a prince from the UAE, if it’s what I think you’re referring to (see the 9/11 Commission Report page 137-138)

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Didn't Bush sr. actually fund Bin Laden to fight against Russia in the 80s or something like that?
 

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https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html


Sorry it was Rumsfeld not Bush snr
You should read your own source.

Rumsfeld never said the money was missing, only that it could not be tracked. The context makes it clear that he’s talking about antiquated accounting practices. The money is not missing (as in, nobody ran out with a briefcase containing 2.3T), but may be difficult to tell what they spent it on.
It’s also worth noting that this number almost certainly double-counts (or more) things - system A improperly tracks a $100 transaction, systems B and C improperly track the same transaction, and we end up with $300 improperly tracked. Alternatively, if I buy a $100 item and fail to correctly track both the expense and the new asset, I’ve just created $200 improperly tracked. Finally, if I improperly track the depreciation of a $100 asset over a decade, I may just have created up to $1000 improperly tracked. All of these can be combined to create massive multipliers on single transaction errors - so it's really hard to know what the original value in question is here.
The pentagon budget is nowhere near 2.3T. That number includes non-accounting-standards-compliant entries for depreciation on assets, pension funds, liabilities, fixed assets, etc. It’s not a pile of cash, and it’s not all expenditures. It doesn't mean the money was stolen, and it doesn't even necessarily mean they don't know what it was spent on - but it doesn't pass the relevant account standards (That said, bad accounting makes it dramatically easier to hide fraud).
In general, you don't want to be linking to AskHistorians if you want to find support for conspiracy theories.
 

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Didn't Bush sr. actually fund Bin Laden to fight against Russia in the 80s or something like that?
There doesn’t seem to be any evidence of this. Here’s what two prominent experts on al-Qaeda have to say on the matter:








 

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Bad news for Newcastle?
Haven't we got contracts with Saudi Sports
Great book.
Blackwater?
US buys Saudi oil, Saudis buy US weapons. Its the circle of life, and it moves us all.

Jeremy Scahill has a brilliant book about private mercenary companies during the Iraq war and in it he details the complex web of relationships between US government representatives, weapons manufacturers and private army companies like Blackwater. Somewhere in all of that is the reason why the US never went after Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

This information is pretty condemning and whoever was involved should be prosecuted. Imagine the people elected to represent and protect the public are involved in this stuff. Shocking really.
Blackwater?,