Guys, please stop picking on poor aul religion, what has it ever done to the world?
Gay footballers | Czech Republic international Jakub Jankto comes out as gay
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
slightly homophobic? Surely there's only homophobic, or not homophobic?
How much time have you spent around conservative Evangelicals?
All manner of assumptions? You basically replied to a one line post of mine where I described my personal experience of modern day religious tolerance and basically told me history dictates that religion breeds war and therefore I'm wrong. For all your lengthy replies since, that's what your initial reply boils down to.
I posted my own personal experience, you replied with 'are you seriously suggesting... blah' Which clearly shows you disagreed with my experience of it. The fact I replied to somebody posting that people wrongly accuse religious people of being intolerant further formed my interpretation of your reply.
I never suggested the entire religious community are tolerant of every other opposing faith, simply that, in my experience followers of different faiths have been far more tolerant towards me than people of no faith have.
If you don't want your posts to be open to interpretation be concise.
If you don't want your posts to result in passionate responses defending the person you're replying to's integrity don't question that integrity without first understanding that person's point.
The fact, the despite my lengthy replies, you still can't see the point I was making without considering it an attack on your personal experiences leads me to believe that the concision or otherwise of my posts is unlikely to leas to an understanding between us.
I'll leave it at this: we both agree that people, whether religious or not, can be intolerant of sexualities. I'll take that as a win.
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Not sure if it's a good idea to interject in your discussion, but I feel compelled to add one thing to maybe bring your 2 views closer : when it comes to religion and homosexuality, it's important to consider if you are interacting within your religion community, meaning you are for example muslim and gay, or if you are interacting from outside a religion community, meaning you are atheist/christian and interacting with muslims.
If you are interacting from outside a religion community, your experience is backed by what these religions preach : be kind to others even if they don't share your faith. And as you said, it's especially true for religious people having to deal with discrimination/racism.
Whereas if you are interacting inside your community it's still incredibly difficult to come out as anything else than heterosexual and you are going to get a lot of intolerance thrown at you, and again it's backed by what these religions preach.
I wasn't defending anybody's integrity, I replied to a post claiming that people tend to label religious people intolerant. I thought that much was clear.
On the bolded, yes, we agree.
Yes I agree, the original back and forth started when I replied to a post about religious tolerance rather than tolerance of homosexuality.
indeed. The WNBA is labelled a lesbians league so it appears much more acceptable for females.
No, I was defending my integrity! You know, because you decided I tarred all religious people with the intolerant bigot brush. Your integrity wasn't being challenged. Remember? Sheesh.
A lot and it sucks. Everyone here is aware of that. But what is also incredibly annoying are people who frame the issue as an exclusively religious one. That doesn’t help anyone and is factually wrong.
Can we take any heavy religious debate to the CE please. This thread is specifically about gay footballers or the public lack thereof.
when you said 'defending the person your replying to' I thought you meant who I originally replied to, which started this sordid exchange.
Damn gays, can't they just suck each others cocks behind closed doors so us normal people don't have to hear about their sex life. This just makes me more homophobic!
Or something. Am I rite?!
Or something. Am I rite?!
Surely you can’t pick and choose which parts of the text you believe?
I would like to see a footballer coming it some day soon, but imagine the pressure that would be on their shoulders. They would become the poster boy LGBTQ football/sport along with having a bunch of drunken bigotted idiots on a Saturday abusing him. Its going to take a very mentally strong person to finally do it, but again I do hope it happens sooner rather than later and they dont have to go through anything too bad.
Homophobic was the wrong word.
There won't be many abusive chants, more so chants in the mold of Lukaku's that would be regarded as funny but distasteful.
The last (and only as far as I know) gay footballer, Justin Fashanu is not a good advert for it, sadly, as he ended up taking his life. I went to a match in the latter stages of his career and the abuse from the crowd was pretty much nonstop
My problem with Tiktok and other social media is the predatory assholes preying on kids.
I don't mind kids doing stupidity in the Tiktok, I mean their stupidity is meant to be between their age group and end there, but the excessive vulgarity and sex selling in these apps mostly to appeal to the older aged(anyone above 24-25) is sickening and should not happen. I don't blame the creators but the oriented audience of older guys who do not understand sexuality.
I don't mind kids doing stupidity in the Tiktok, I mean their stupidity is meant to be between their age group and end there, but the excessive vulgarity and sex selling in these apps mostly to appeal to the older aged(anyone above 24-25) is sickening and should not happen. I don't blame the creators but the oriented audience of older guys who do not understand sexuality.
When you see the abuse players get because of the colour of their skin who in their right mind would willingly declare that they are homosexual? Too many fecking idiots among the fans.
Me.
You.
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A Premier League player in fear of coming out https://t.co/FPiJiIrF5r?amp=1
Except for starting most of the wars in human history, not much
Amazingly, I think less than 10% of wars have religion as one of the causes, and when looking at primary causes the number is even lower.
I dare you to post that on twitter
I can't, they banned me. Also, Twitter has no white textI dare you to post that on twitter
I can't, they banned me. Also, Twitter has no white text
pah, I'm on my third account now. They'll never stop me....https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18571090/footballer-come-out-first-openly-gay-male/amp/
I know it’s the sun but will be interesting to see if he does go through with it or is advised against it, as I assume others have been in the past. And if he does, the reaction within the sport.
I know it’s the sun but will be interesting to see if he does go through with it or is advised against it, as I assume others have been in the past. And if he does, the reaction within the sport.
Brave lad, if true
This will happen eventually even if its not next week. You would now hope we're in a position in English football where this can happen. We've been taking the knee for two years before every match against discrimination (primarily racial I know) so I hope the game is ready for openly gay players.
It’s a strange one as no one wants to be the first. If I was his parent or agent I’d also maybe advise to hold off at first as it may be a detriment to his career. I don’t know. If he does come out he’d just be a PR player like Rashford and may not have a real career. Rashford did have a few years of high performance though rather than being a championship player.
This younger generation seem way more keen to break down barriers, good on him. Hope he has the support around him and within himself to deal with the inevitable, unfortunate abuse he'll get.
I may be very naive but I don’t think there’ll be major abuse. Or at least any more than is shouted at football matches already. The groundswell of public opinion will be supportive and he will have loads of opportunities to move the public discourse along, in much the same way as Rashford has. Plus, though I’m sure it won’t factor into his thinking, there will be huge opportunities to monetise this if he’s inclined.
I feel like some people want this to make themselves feel good about society, like folks want to drag people out the closet. I think in trying to do the right thing the stakes have been raised and have created an unhealthy environment. Sexuality shouldn't warrant this much attention.
Couldn't give a monkies what a player does off the pitch as long as it doesn't affect what they do on the pitch.
Why do the Sun feel the need to pre-announce it. Bunch of cnuts
It'd make sense if a few players announced it together. The problem with being the first to announce it is that you will always be known for that. It would surely affect your career somehow, whereas if 10 players or so announced it together, it'd lessen that impact.
It'd make sense if a few players announced it together. The problem with being the first to announce it is that you will always be known for that. It would surely affect your career somehow, whereas if 10 players or so announced it together, it'd lessen that impact.
I personally don't think it's about the level of abuse, most will be accepting and rightly so.
I believe its more the type of abuse aimed it might only be 1 person over his career but a personally targeted homophobic slur will surely hurt more than the generic 'you're shit' comments everyone gets.
Respect to him if he does go through with it, I have 2 thoughts on it in general. 1 that it's nothing to do with us as the only thing that should matter is what a player does on the pitch so it shouldn't be news worthy, of course the first coming out will be, its just that its a shame overall as a society its still deemed a topic of conversation. On the other hand it's great because players who are gay won't feel they have to hide their lives, for example on social media.
Wouldn't it be easier a bit if there were gay/bi/LGBTQ + workers in football? Where are all the CEOs, player liaison officers, physios, media execs etc?
Perhaps none would to raise their head about the parapet themselves which is fair enough but think if there were a few employed by clubs it would make it easier if a player wanted to come out publicly.
A non league ref came out to little fanfare a few months ago so fair play to him.
This was a really good series a few months ago but for some reason Channel 4 didn't put it on their main channel which was a missed opportunity:
Football's Coming Out - All 4 (channel4.com)
Perhaps none would to raise their head about the parapet themselves which is fair enough but think if there were a few employed by clubs it would make it easier if a player wanted to come out publicly.
A non league ref came out to little fanfare a few months ago so fair play to him.
This was a really good series a few months ago but for some reason Channel 4 didn't put it on their main channel which was a missed opportunity:
Football's Coming Out - All 4 (channel4.com)
Why is it seemingly "easier" for women footballers to come out as gay, and even date their teammates, then it is for males to do likewise??
For example, hypothetically speaking here, what would be so wrong if Shaw and Sancho were to date each other??
We have had a gay manager in charger of our women's team in Casey, and gay players such as Amy Turner, yet nothing seemingly on the same level with regards to the men's team, it is very odd to have such a huge contrast at the same club.
For example, hypothetically speaking here, what would be so wrong if Shaw and Sancho were to date each other??
We have had a gay manager in charger of our women's team in Casey, and gay players such as Amy Turner, yet nothing seemingly on the same level with regards to the men's team, it is very odd to have such a huge contrast at the same club.
Inappropriate joke
Because Lesbians are hot!