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Cannavaro and Baresi were both 5ft 9. They managed ok.
Yeah but Chris Wood and the like. I have a feeling we’ll have Maguire and Varane* as our starting pairing and Timber rotating in and out, maybe even playing right back for the next season or so. He’s very young and the physicality might be a shock to the system. We’re going to need someone to attack headers and deal with the more physical players. Wouldn’t surprise me if we even looked to bring in two centre backs.

*Lindelof if we’re being honest with ourselves
 

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Yeah but Chris Wood and the like. I have a feeling we’ll have Maguire and Varane* as our starting pairing and Timber rotating in and out for the next season or so. He’s very young and the physicality might be a shock to he system. We’re going to need someone to attack headers and deal with the more physical players. Wouldn’t surprise me if we even looked to bring in two centre backs.

*Lindelof if we’re being honest with ourselves
It'll be timber at right back anyway for next season if we actually sign him. Timber can adapt to the club and league there, and gradually move centrally if/when he adapts and needs to replace whoever, or he just stays at RB and that's where he develops to make use of his on ball ability.
 

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Because a lot of the ball is in the air in the premier league.
Bit of an outdated theory that the stats no longer support - and probably haven't done for almost 10 years.

La Liga has more tedency for long arial balls than the EPL now. It would be better to remove a susepctible defender against Burnley and play him against the other teams who actual play football.


 

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You would think we're signing a midget by the read of some posts.
It's not even sure he will become our next cb should he come here, he can play rb and Ten Hag has said he could see him in midfield.
 

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Not making my mind but just found it interesting
You can do a video like that for literally anybody:

It's the frequency of mistakes that need to be offset against the positive qualities. Just "he makes mistakes" doesn't mean anything, because every single player ever does.
 

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It'll be timber at right back anyway for next season if we actually sign him. Timber can adapt to the club and league there, and gradually move centrally if/when he adapts and needs to replace whoever, or he just stays at RB and that's where he develops to make use of his on ball ability.
How often has he actually played RB? It would be a bit bizarre for a manager to play him as a centre back, immediately buy him at his next club and immediately change his position to full back. And how has he performed there?

This idea also puts us in an awkward position in terms of depth.

If we let go of AWB, Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe and only brought in Timber then we're suddenly short on numbers in defence.

It would leave us with 3 CBs, 1 RB + Timber covering both positions. Not great.
 

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Maguires a but towerring unit, see how that panned out.
So is Van Dijk. See how that panned out.

I'm not even sure what you're suggesting. Maguire can't run therefore we should sign aerially weak centre backs going forward? I'm not seeing the connection.
 

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If he comes, he’ll play at right back instead? He won’t be displacing Varane and Maguire/Lindelof in his debut year I think
 

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How often has he actually played RB? It would be a bit bizarre for a manager to play him as a centre back, immediately buy him at his next club and immediately change his position to full back. And how has he performed there?

This idea also puts us in an awkward position in terms of depth.

If we let go of AWB, Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe and only brought in Timber then we're suddenly short on numbers in defence.

It would leave us with 3 CBs, 1 RB + Timber covering both positions. Not great.
We won’t be short. Laird, Williams, Dalot for the RB spot if AWB leaves.

Timber, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Mengi for the CB spots if Jones and Bailly leave.

Shaw, Telles, and Williams again for the LB spot.
 

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Bit of an outdated theory that the stats no longer support - and probably haven't done for almost 10 years.

La Liga has more tedency for long arial balls than the EPL now. It would be better to remove a susepctible defender against Burnley and play him against the other teams who actual play football.


Had a suspicion the argument that aerial ability was particularly vital in the PL was being overplayed somewhat, nice to see some data backing the point.
 

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If he comes, he’ll play at right back instead? He won’t be displacing Varane and Maguire/Lindelof in his debut year I think
If Varane gets injured again and Lindelof with Maguire proceed doing their usual stuff, Ten Hag could simply have no choice.
 

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We won’t be short. Laird, Williams, Dalot for the RB spot if AWB leaves.

Timber, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Mengi for the CB spots if Jones and Bailly leave.

Shaw, Telles, and Williams again for the LB spot.
Still feels short.

You generally want 2 senior players per position and you supplement that with youth on top. We'd be left with 7 senior defenders and a bunch of kids (who may go out on loan).

Williams is surely not good enough and will be on the for sale list?
 

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I still think we should go for DeLigt instead of this kid. If we really want to sign a young CB, go all in for Ndicka.
 

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I still think we should go for DeLigt instead of this kid. If we really want to sign a young CB, go all in for Ndicka.
De Ligt is on his way to singing an extension with Chielleini on his way out. He's not going anywhere soon just yet
 

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De Ligt is on his way to singing an extension with Chielleini on his way out. He's not going anywhere soon just yet
Yes, I would rather we sign Ndicka and a proper CDM. This kid needs more experience. He will do fine in Bundesliga though.
 

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A young centre-back with big potential makes sense. One of Maguire/Lindelof/Varane can then naturally lose their place in the team as the season progresses.
 

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How much are we talking? (Not that it’s our money)

If he can cover CB and RB, young, knows ETH, not super expensive transfer or wages…then he ticks a few boxes.
 

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Fans are worried about anything nowadays. He might not be an aerial monster but who is in our squad? If he is a top talent, we should buy him
 

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Fans are worried about anything nowadays. He might not be an aerial monster but who is in our squad? If he is a top talent, we should buy him
Agreed. I'd worry more about our footballing ability first rather than trying to head it.
 

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Agreed. I'd worry more about our footballing ability first rather than trying to head it.
Pretty certain that's how ETH is approaching it as well.

We've had one of the tallest teams and physically stout teams overall for years now and where has that brought is in terms of the quality of football and results on the pitch?

Would be good having a squad of competent and intelligent footballers at every position again like our rivals who've been running the league have...
 

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Pretty certain that's how ETH is approaching it as well.

We've had one of the tallest teams and physically stout teams overall for years now and where has that brought is in terms of the quality of football and results on the pitch?

Would be good having a squad of competent and intelligent footballers at every position again like our rivals who've been running the league have...
Indeed. It hasn't even made us good at set-pieces.
 

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Cannavaro and Baresi were both 5ft 9. They managed ok.
Might as well sign Dan Burn instead if folk are fixated with how tall he is rather than looking at the ability of the player which is way more important than height.

He’s a very good highly rated young player and if ETH thinks he can come in and do a job then that’s all that matters in the end.
 

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I don't even have a problem with signing Timber but people who keep trotting out the line that aerial ability isn't going to be important because we want to play with the ball on the floor all the time needs to remember that teams which employ an aggressive press alongside a high defensive line will often find their opponents opting to play the long ball in order to counter it. West Ham vs City yesterday was the perfect example of what can happen when you don't have aerially commanding centre backs to deal with this threat; Antonio was regularly winning flick-ons to either central midfield or wide players which caused City problems because, owing to their high defensive line, West Ham then had a lot of space to work with in behind.

Again, I actually quite like the idea of signing Timber; he's a young player with plenty of room to develop that Ten Hag is familiar with, and he combines excellent technical attributes with the versatility which allows him to be used as a right-back as well as a centre-half. However, in my view the people acting like we don't need to worry about our centre backs' aerial ability because we'll be a possession-based side under ETH frankly lack an understanding of how high-pressing, aggressive defensive sides work.
 

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Bit of an outdated theory that the stats no longer support - and probably haven't done for almost 10 years.

La Liga has more tedency for long arial balls than the EPL now. It would be better to remove a susepctible defender against Burnley and play him against the other teams who actual play football.


Good post and fair play for introducing a new counterpoint rather than just naming short players that were either good aerially or play in a three or for possession heavy sides even though none of this would be relevant to Timber at United in its current guise

I guess the amount of football that’s played in the sky is declining in general but it still doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be targeted if it proved to be a big weakness. Remember DDG constantly being roughed up when he started because he was really shaky under high balls and even the way City have isolated Trent AA during their games. I think most teams would launch the high balls in against United even if that wasn’t how they play every game. Our big lads had trouble with Wout Weghorst, never mind Timber.
 

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How much are we talking? (Not that it’s our money)

If he can cover CB and RB, young, knows ETH, not super expensive transfer or wages…then he ticks a few boxes.
Most likely around 30-45m, I’d expect.
 

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Might as well sign Dan Burn instead if folk are fixated with how tall he is rather than looking at the ability of the player which is way more important than height.

He’s a very good highly rated young player and if ETH thinks he can come in and do a job then that’s all that matters in the end.
It’s not a zero sum calculation you know. There are players above six foot that can play football. Van Dijk, Laporte, Alderweireld, Bonucci are all excellent passers. It’s not Jurrien Timber or Shane Duffy.
 

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If he comes, he’ll play at right back instead? He won’t be displacing Varane and Maguire/Lindelof in his debut year I think
This sounds an even worse idea if he's actually a centre back.
The days of getting by with a centre back at right back have surely long long gone. They need to have a proper attacking gene now.
 

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Had a suspicion the argument that aerial ability was particularly vital in the PL was being overplayed somewhat, nice to see some data backing the point.
It's proof you can prove anything with stats.
There might not be as many Wimbledon types, but every single corner we'll be sh!tting ourselves at who is gonna head it out if we have the likes of Lindelof, Timber and no aerially sound players.
 

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That video's pretty hilarious. I thought I'd be looking at him giving away goals. Does that video include every pass he made that didn't go to a team mate???
 

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His signing will help us clear out the dead wood like Maggy.
Is this what we're calling him these days? Surely part of the problem. A centre half partnership of Vicky and Maggy was doomed from the start.
 

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Not making my mind but just found it interesting
a footballer makes a bad pass or makes a bad decision....the world is coming to an end

ffs no one expects him or anyone else to be perfect or not make mistakes but more so how often and do they learn from their mistakes so it's no continually repeated
 

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I'll suppose we'll just have to trust EtH, even if he is signing technically gifted midgets, and non league level giants.
 

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This sounds an even worse idea if he's actually a centre back.
The days of getting by with a centre back at right back have surely long long gone. They need to have a proper attacking gene now.
According to an Ajax fan on here, he used to be a RB in their academy before being promoted to the first team
 

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I do worry about him bullied as a CB in the Premier League, so starting out at RB until comfortable would make sense.
 
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