Pogba's contract offer

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Numerous stories of him wreaking havoc in the dressing room, playing a prominent part of the problem with cliques and leaks and toxicity.
Are you going to quote your sources on that or just make shite up?
 

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It's obviously not worked out as we'd all wanted, but mad to consider him our worst 'value for money' signing ever. There are the 'who?' signings like Angelo Henrique at 4m. The 'whoops let's get em out' signings like Zaha (lost 9m in one season) or Di Maria (lost 12m in one season).

I'd say Mhkitaryan has to be up there. Cost us 30m, was pretty terrible and all we got in return was Alexis Sanchez, would cost us even more, despite playing for Inter.
 

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233 appearances i think Pogba has made for Man United. How many 7 out of 10 or higher performance would we reckon he's produced in that amount of games?
 

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The blind hatred for him and attributing the locker room toxicity is pure conjecture. Why can't we all agree the signing didn't go as planned and its best that he move on without attacking the character of the player without any proof? Is it that difficult?
 

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The blind hatred for him and attributing the locker room toxicity is pure conjecture. Why can't we all agree the signing didn't go as planned and its best that he move on without attacking the character of the player without any proof? Is it that difficult?
Yeah I don't even have a particularly strong opinion on him either way but it's crazy reading through some of this stuff. Beyond tabloids and Mourinho (who's fallen out with everyone at every club since 2010), I don't think we've heard anyone speak a bad word about him.

By all means quite a lowkey guy in his personal life, and by many accounts one of the most well liked current players in football. Reading through this you'd think he was Greenwood or Giggs:lol:
 

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It's obviously not worked out as we'd all wanted, but mad to consider him our worst 'value for money' signing ever. There are the 'who?' signings like Angelo Henrique at 4m. The 'whoops let's get em out' signings like Zaha (lost 9m in one season) or Di Maria (lost 12m in one season).

I'd say Mhkitaryan has to be up there. Cost us 30m, was pretty terrible and all we got in return was Alexis Sanchez, would cost us even more, despite playing for Inter.
We lost 89m in 6 seasons for Pogba. I will let you do the math.
 

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Yeah I don't even have a particularly strong opinion on him either way but it's crazy reading through some of this stuff. Beyond tabloids and Mourinho (who's fallen out with everyone at every club since 2010), I don't think we've heard anyone speak a bad word about him.

By all means quite a lowkey guy in his personal life, and by many accounts one of the most well liked current players in football. Reading through this you'd think he was Greenwood or Giggs:lol:
There was someone on here a few months ago accusing him of cheating on his wife in Dubai...

Grown ass adults can't control their emotions when it comes to Pogba.
 

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Yeah I don't even have a particularly strong opinion on him either way but it's crazy reading through some of this stuff. Beyond tabloids and Mourinho (who's fallen out with everyone at every club since 2010), I don't think we've heard anyone speak a bad word about him.

By all means quite a lowkey guy in his personal life, and by many accounts one of the most well liked current players in football. Reading through this you'd think he was Greenwood or Giggs:lol:
To be fair to them, it is largely driven by the press and in particular MEN. I don't know if you remember what they did last month when they quoted a year old article from Rooney that mentioned Pogba and Lingard dancing. Here is what Rooney actually said:
"I do remember one time, coming into training at United the day after a defeat, still feeling very annoyed and walking into the dressing room with Michael Carrick," Rooney wrote in his column with The Times.

"We found Jesse and Paul dancing in there with the music on. I went over, turned it off and took the speakers out of the dressing room – because that's my mindset, that's how I've grown up in football.
Here is the part that was ignored:

"Paul and Jesse accepted it because I was the senior player, but in hindsight, they were not doing anything wrong, not hurting anyone, and it was just my old-school mentality kicking in.
"After he returned [from Juventus] in 2016, we had a season together under Jose Mourinho. Then, as before, Paul's application was always fantastic, and his mentality was spot on.

"He wanted to win; he was a strong character, committed to the team. You should ignore all the silly criticism that comes his way. All that stuff about his haircuts and dancing – it's irrelevant. None of it has anything to do with the player that Paul is."

Rooney added: "People can have their opinions about Paul's football, that's fine, but some jump to conclusions about his character without knowing him.

"In my experience as a team-mate, the actual work he puts in every day on the training ground is first class. As long as that doesn't change, then the stuff he does off the pitch – which has slowed down anyway – does not matter, in my opinion."
 

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To be fair to them, it is largely driven by the press and in particular MEN. I don't know if you remember what they did last month when they quoted a year old article from Rooney that mentioned Pogba and Lingard dancing. Here is what Rooney actually said:


Here is the part that was ignored:
I hadn't seen that but that is pretty shocking, quite obvious character assassination. The irony of that, when Rooney's quote quite plainly speaks about judging the guys character without knowing him, is brilliant!
 

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To be fair to them, it is largely driven by the press and in particular MEN. I don't know if you remember what they did last month when they quoted a year old article from Rooney that mentioned Pogba and Lingard dancing. Here is what Rooney actually said:


Here is the part that was ignored:
And people just lap this stuff up.
 

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We lost 89m in 6 seasons for Pogba. I will let you do the math.
At least he played over 150 matches for us, a good number of our signings barely managed 20. I'd be looking there first. Was pretty instrumental in our one recent trophy win too.
 

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Don't think Pogba has been as bad as many make out but his supposed lack of competitive suitors is a decent example that he's fallen short of expectations to some extent.

Would have assumed Madrid would have been all over him, I think if he joins Juve it will be a disappointment for him as well. They are 13 points behind the league leaders and have no guarantee to overshadow this emerging Milan team alongside the decency of Inter. Could very well end up still challenging for top four in three seasons or so.
 

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Really? I've always read and heard how he is brilliant in the dressing room and with the youngsters etc. Even reports of him geeing up the team at half time etc
That's always what reputable people say about him. He's a positive influence in the dressing room and almost everyone likes him as a person.

It's always hilarious seeing people calling him toxic/virus when they're just using his performances which haven't been good enough as some kind of barometer of him as a person.

It's fine wanting him to leave because he's not been good enough. No need to make up stuff about him as a human.
 

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233 appearances i think Pogba has made for Man United. How many 7 out of 10 or higher performance would we reckon he's produced in that amount of games?
I would say 30%. Then about 60% of those have been 5-6 rated and the remainder being under 5.
 

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We lost 89m in 6 seasons for Pogba. I will let you do the math.
Does that include the wages spent on Pogba? Whatever that number is, which I would guess sums up to at least another 72m (no idea what he's on but surely it's at least 250k/week, so call it 12m a year and it's been 6 years), the club has spent well over 150m for Pogba. The man is a brilliant footballer, but apart from whatever social media and other sources a revenue to the club can be attributed to him, it just can't be argued that Pogba has been football performance value for the total sum spent on him.

And on his day, Pogba would be in my all world XI so I'm not a hater.
 

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Absolutely baffled that there are still people defending this waste of a player.

Missing in big games, Check
Injured over the coldest months of winter, Check
Below average in 7/10 games, Check
In no contact with the real world, Check
Pisstake Utd and Utd fans again and again, Check

This player has been our biggest culprit towards our rotten spell. Hope he Dab's his way out of the door and takes his dance partner with him too Turin.
 

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233 appearances i think Pogba has made for Man United. How many 7 out of 10 or higher performance would we reckon he's produced in that amount of games?
Plenty. Just as seasons have gone on they have been fewer and fewer.
 

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Absolutely baffled that there are still people defending this waste of a player.

Missing in big games, Check
Injured over the coldest months of winter, Check
Below average in 7/10 games, Check
In no contact with the real world, Check
Pisstake Utd and Utd fans again and again, Check

This player has been our biggest culprit towards our rotten spell. Hope he Dab's his way out of the door and takes his dance partner with him too Turin.
This checklist is absolutely hilarious. “Being injured in the coldest months of winter” attributed as a genuine criticism, as if we’re at war in the trenches or something.
 

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And people just lap this stuff up.
I couldnt give a rats what Pogba does in his private life as long as he doesnt bring the Club into disrepute. I judge him by his performances on the field which in the majority of cases have been mediocre to say the least. Yes he can be brilliant, but one swallow doesnt make a summer and one excellent performance doesnt make a season, let alone a career. Pogbas had nearly six years to prove he has what it takes to play for Manchester United and he has failed to do so. Enough is enough.
 

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Bar the City game where he scored 2 and the Leeds game he got a couple of assists I cannot remember a decent performance from him.
I guess it depends where your grade lands. 7/10 for me is average, and I think, especially early on he was usually average or better. Last couple of seasons he's normally been average to poor with the odd game where's he's looked interested and stood out.
 

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This checklist is absolutely hilarious. “Being injured in the coldest months of winter” attributed as a genuine criticism, as if we’re at war in the trenches or something.
You don´t feel like he is pulling our chain when he posts pictures season after season in the Far East in the sun by the swimming pool, and that during the busiest time of season during the coldest months?
Why doesn´t he do his rehab at Utd like Ralf pointed out when he came in? Him posting it on Instagram smiling and sunbathing by the pool would drive a lot of players who are playing with niggling injuries crazy doing their rehab in Manchester.
For example Lindelöf played through a painful back injury for most of a season while getting hammered by Utd fans for not being good enough, Pogba can go sunbathing and swimming for months on end while still being talked about as our best player.
I think he’s suggesting that Pogba spent most entire winters in Dubai with injury, in which case he’s correct.
Thanks for pointing that out.
 

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You don´t feel like he is pulling our chain when he posts pictures season after season in the Far East in the sun by the swimming pool, and that during the busiest time of season during the coldest months?
Why doesn´t he do his rehab at Utd like Ralf pointed out when he came in? Him posting it on Instagram smiling and sunbathing by the pool would drive a lot of players who are playing with niggling injuries crazy doing their rehab in Manchester.
For example Lindelöf played through a painful back injury for most of a season while getting hammered by Utd fans for not being good enough, Pogba can go sunbathing and swimming for months on end while still being talked about as our best player.

Thanks for pointing that out.
What do you mean by season after season? Could you tell me the seasons in which he’s spent winter in Dubai? And playing through injury isn’t a good thing, look at what it’s done to Rashford.
 

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Not really, I just don't care enough about Pogba sunning it up in Dubai enough to check. If I could take winter paid leave to Dubai I'd do it also
You said it wouldn’t be too hard to check so it obviously wouldn’t take that much effort to do so would it? You said he spent most years in Dubai, I asked which years and then you refused to tell me. That’s a little strange.
 

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You said it wouldn’t be too hard to check so it obviously wouldn’t take that much effort to do so would it? You said he spent most years in Dubai, I asked which years and then you refused to tell me. That’s a little strange.
It's hyperbolic but the two long term injuries that he got were around that time, though the ankle injury was from August and he eventually was totally out in November. The hamstring injury happened with France in November and he was out until March I believe.
 

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What do you mean by season after season? Could you tell me the seasons in which he’s spent winter in Dubai? And playing through injury isn’t a good thing, look at what it’s done to Rashford.
Just go look it up yourself it´s been well documented.
 

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What do you mean by season after season? Could you tell me the seasons in which he’s spent winter in Dubai? And playing through injury isn’t a good thing, look at what it’s done to Rashford.
Maybe not season after season but the last 2 definitely. Rashford downing tools isn't a result of playing through injuries.