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Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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@Fridge chutney which players can we get with that?
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I will stand by my initial predictions although looks like De Jong may go for closer to £50M.
Puts Wheelers 20 million transfer budget to bed. Like ETH would sign a contract to manage the club which such a figure to rebuild the squad.
Only first class to our manager
Maybe they'll finally start running ?
It was always a pipe dream to expect any more than that, but £120m doesn't get you that much in today's market particularly given how much work the squad needs. Even average players seem to cost us £50 million (see Fred, AWB etc.), we very rarely unearth a gem for a reasonable price, so you're looking at £120m bringing you 3 players at best. Maybe we can stretch to 4 players if we sell well for once but we always have trouble shipping players out.
At the start of next season we'll realistically have just 3 senior attackers in Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo (the rest being unestablished youth) - this is quite horrendous from both a quality and squad depth perspective. Midfield has been so bad for years and losing Pogba/Matic means we're in desperate need of 2 midfield signings. Defence has just shipped a record number of goals, major problems at full back and centre back.
Ole's 3 years of terror really have done a number on us, so many bad signings have left us with a major rebuild needed that we can't fix in 1 window.
Sorry Dr. Dwayne
It was Nando's.
I always believed Nando is McD.
Ok two questions.
Does he have the Utd DNA?
And second do his boys have it?
Apparently it's very important.
Does he have the Utd DNA?
And second do his boys have it?
Apparently it's very important.
This can’t be true, surely we’ll spend between 170 to 200 million considering we release a number of players.
Maybe 140 mil plus money from outgoings?
Basically this. We are going to loss Pogba, Matic, Greenwood, Cavani. £120m will barely get us enough players to replace this 4, let alone rebuild the whole big mess we are in.
It will be 140m + sales which was reported few days back.
It’s 140m euros plus outgoings. If we sell and buy well in instalments it’s more than enough to overhaul the squad. Some big decisions on outgoings to be made.
You can do good things with 140 million if you've done your due diligence with scouting and contacting the right people.
This rebuild wasn't going to happen overnight.
3 first team players with the right work ethic, ability and youth is all I expect regarding incomings in this window ,with a couple of talented youth players from the reserves getting integrated into the first team squad ofcourse.
This rebuild wasn't going to happen overnight.
3 first team players with the right work ethic, ability and youth is all I expect regarding incomings in this window ,with a couple of talented youth players from the reserves getting integrated into the first team squad ofcourse.
Thanks for doing this. Was gonna do it yesterday but forgot.
McKenna and Carrick leaving didn't actually help us. Look at who replaced them.
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Add in Lingard, Mata who although they weren't very good at least you could say we had some senior players for depth. Both gone. Martial likely has to be sold although I suspect finding a buyer won't be easy.
For a team that plays in Europe and expects to make deep runs in cup competitions you really want to be aiming for 2 senior players per position so a squad of 20 outfield players. Supplement that with youth on top. We'll be struggling to meet that requirement in midfield and attack given the outgoings.
Whilst depth isn't an issue in defence as it stands, quality certainly is so we'll have to ship some out to make room for signings. Any player we bring in will likely cost significantly more than the fee we'll receive for the player he's replacing.
So 140m plus 1,25m loan fee plus another 0,5m loan fee
Total transfer budget 141,75 m
Total transfer budget 141,75 m
For the short term , lower your expectations.
Armas and Sharp are leaving. No clue about the psychiatrist. Ramsay is staying. Fletcher will only be coaching if ETH wants him to. Phelan's future is unclear.
It was reported weeks ago before Ajax even won the league that the summer budget is around 120m pounds before sales. 120m pounds = 140m euro. Nothing new here.
The key for me is not hoarding players and actively selling - the big summer budgets become less of a problem and feel like we'd do better in the market overall as we get held to ransom for our 1-3 players each year.
We don't even need to replace all the players we had this season. Our squad is bloated. 4-5 signings is enough with academy promotions into the first team squad supplementing it.
We will need to replace at least these 4 though because our midfield and attack are running very thin. McFred aren't going to play every games, neither should Ronaldo/Elanga. In fact, McFred and Elanga should be in bench. We need at least 3 first team DM/CM/RW and 1 backup FW, just to replace Pogba/Matic/Greenwood/Cavani. These 4 alone would cost well over £120m.
But then our CB/RB/LB would still be very weak. We have no one from academy capable of supplementing those at the moment. Currently best chances from promoting from academy are Mejbri (AM), Garnacho (LW) and Garner (CM), who could play good backup role for Bruno, Sancho and McFred in some games. We basically need to spend at least £250m this summer to have proper rebuild.
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That's where you're making the mistake. You're expecting a rebuild over 1 window. Listen to what Rangnick said, 2-3 windows. You're setting too lofty a goal.
I'm in the high-impact player camp right now, players for value later. We don't have a long runway to build a squad to compete for a PL trophy in 2-3 years. There is no universe in which City and Liverpool go into decline and Chelsea languish and clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham reverse gear in their ascendancy. They're all retooling to stay in top gear if they're City and Liverpool and Chelsea and third gear if they're Arsenal and Tottenham -- while we're retooling to get out of first gear.
Hear me out. If we go the long route, bringing in promising players now but clearly 2-3 seasons away from hitting top gear, we're not getting out of 6-7-8 rut. We're actually not that far off the race for 4 and if we bring in a few genuinely top players to address our midfield problems, possibly a successor to either Maguire or Ronaldo (both, if possible) we really can settle into the race for 4 and build our way into the race for 1-2 with whatever the smart buys may be out there to fill problem areas but not crises such as our fullbacks. And of course we have promising young players, but for our immediate planning purposes we simply cannot assume that players like Garner are ready to walk into the first team next season.
Hear me out. If we go the long route, bringing in promising players now but clearly 2-3 seasons away from hitting top gear, we're not getting out of 6-7-8 rut. We're actually not that far off the race for 4 and if we bring in a few genuinely top players to address our midfield problems, possibly a successor to either Maguire or Ronaldo (both, if possible) we really can settle into the race for 4 and build our way into the race for 1-2 with whatever the smart buys may be out there to fill problem areas but not crises such as our fullbacks. And of course we have promising young players, but for our immediate planning purposes we simply cannot assume that players like Garner are ready to walk into the first team next season.
This is standard United £120-140M max budget annually, however I think ETH would have agreed that he was able to add all loan fees and outgoing sales to his sales budget when he signed the contract.
Just a guess on outbound players ;
1. D Henderson (8M) Loan
2. A Martial (20M) sale
3. A Telles (15M) sale
4. B Williams (2M) Loan
5. J Mata Free
6. P Pogba Free
7. E Cavani Free
8. A Wan Bissaka (20M)
9. N Matic Free
10. J Lingard Free
11. P Jones (5M)
Total Extra 50-60M max which will give
ETH £170-180M
He’s looking to get 3 familiar faces in,
J Timber(30M)N D Jong(50m)M Antony(50M), C Ericssen (Free) and a Right back and CDM, Maybe a GK.
we will be doing at least two free transfers this summer and he’s got his work cut out because if we don’t move players and get loan and sale fees we will not get all the players we need roughly 6 to 7 is a must.
Just a guess on outbound players ;
1. D Henderson (8M) Loan
2. A Martial (20M) sale
3. A Telles (15M) sale
4. B Williams (2M) Loan
5. J Mata Free
6. P Pogba Free
7. E Cavani Free
8. A Wan Bissaka (20M)
9. N Matic Free
10. J Lingard Free
11. P Jones (5M)
Total Extra 50-60M max which will give
ETH £170-180M
He’s looking to get 3 familiar faces in,
J Timber(30M)N D Jong(50m)M Antony(50M), C Ericssen (Free) and a Right back and CDM, Maybe a GK.
we will be doing at least two free transfers this summer and he’s got his work cut out because if we don’t move players and get loan and sale fees we will not get all the players we need roughly 6 to 7 is a must.
Pretty decent that, should definitely be looking at the free agents market. Someone like Dembele is quality but does he lack the application, also cannot understand no interest in Kamara as it's a no brainer even if it doesn't work out.
Absolutely spot on
It's been common knowledge that no club has a transfer budget. It's just not how actual football accounting works. The payments are mostly spread over length of contract so saying we'll have a budget of 140, supplemented by sales in nonsense.
Found the article, snippet below from the guardian.
Clubs do not have transfer budget, war chests and kitties
If anyone tries to tell you “big club x” has “y amount” to spend they are likely talking nonsense. Ask them to show their work on how they arrived at that number.
As we just discussed, there’s a lot more that goes into player costs than transfer fees. Unless the number being offered up clearly includes wages (which is more than half of the equation), and ideally at least a nod towards agent fees and image rights payments, you can safely disregard it as not reflective of that club’s available resources to bolster its squad.
Clubs do not have transfer budget, war chests and kitties
If anyone tries to tell you “big club x” has “y amount” to spend they are likely talking nonsense. Ask them to show their work on how they arrived at that number.
As we just discussed, there’s a lot more that goes into player costs than transfer fees. Unless the number being offered up clearly includes wages (which is more than half of the equation), and ideally at least a nod towards agent fees and image rights payments, you can safely disregard it as not reflective of that club’s available resources to bolster its squad.
Considering we still owe transfer fee which we had agreed as instalment payments + salaries of current player + payment of first year of transfer this season + new player salary, Club will most likely know what they can spend this season even if they spread it over several season
Then they'd have to know what they can pay in total is the point, inclusive of wages, agents fees, signing on bonuses and how long a contract those costs are likely to be spread over for each player.
Stonecold goes into football management.
All those leavers are negative net contribution. In the field they're worse than championship players with good attitude. Out of the field they're distruptive and bad for the morale the whole team's in a right mess
Them staying is even worse, guaranteed slump. If they leave at least we have a better chance of doing better
Such awful management. Pogba should have been sold if this was going to be the outcome last year. You don't let an asset get to the final year of that's just asking to write off huge money. With that cash we could have taken the budget up to £170-200m
We are easily the worst club in terms of selling players.