Anyone talking shit about A New Hope should be banned from all Star Wars threads
Television Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi
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That's better.
Empire is the film that holds everything great about SW together, more so if we're talking cinematically.
ROTJ was the original dark sheep of the trilogy before the (bad) prequels came along, which some fans seem to forget.
Granted ROTJ had some great moments, like the space battle on ender and the final showdown between Luke, Vader and Palpi but as a whole its abit all over the place.
Plus, I really dislike how awfully underutilized Han and Leia were in the third act. Both practically standing next to a door for 45 minutes, no wonder Ford and Kasdan wanted Han killed off.
And that's without mentioning the Empire being taken down by sticks and stones thrown at them by cute little teddy bears.
For me its : Empire, New Hope and then ROTJ. I don't even count the prequels ,sequels or the little films in-between.Just not worth the time.
TESB wins hands down imoThat's better.
Empire is the film that holds everything great about SW together, more so if we're talking cinematically.
ROTJ was the original dark sheep of the trilogy before the (bad) prequels came along, which some fans seem to forget.
Granted ROTJ had some great moments, like the space battle on ender and the final showdown between Luke, Vader and Palpi but as a whole its abit all over the place.
Plus, I really dislike how awfully underutilized Han and Leia were in the third act. Both practically standing next to a door for 45 minutes, no wonder Ford and Kasdan wanted Han killed off.
And that's without mentioning the Empire being taken down by sticks and stones thrown at them by cute little teddy bears.
For me its : Empire, New Hope and then ROTJ. I don't even count the prequels ,sequels or the little films in-between.Just not worth the time.
The only thing about the prequels that hold up for me is just the fact that you see back story to the first trilogy, which is really why they were made and why we watch them. I accept they're not that good. Same way I accept new hope isn't that good. Its still part of the storyline, which even if acted out by 5 year olds in bin liners and tinfoil would still be epic.That's better.
Empire is the film that holds everything great about SW together, more so if we're talking cinematically.
ROTJ was the original dark sheep of the trilogy before the (bad) prequels came along, which some fans seem to forget.
Granted ROTJ had some great moments, like the space battle on ender and the final showdown between Luke, Vader and Palpi but as a whole its abit all over the place.
Plus, I really dislike how awfully underutilized Han and Leia were in the third act. Both practically standing next to a door for 45 minutes, no wonder Ford and Kasdan wanted Han killed off.
And that's without mentioning the Empire being taken down by sticks and stones thrown at them by cute little teddy bears.
For me its : Empire, New Hope and then ROTJ. I don't even count the prequels ,sequels or the little films in-between.Just not worth the time.
I think its a beautifully crafted marriage between the fantasy genre of Knights, Kings and Queens and the unknown vastness of Outer space. It's a simple concept that's been played around before but its effective nonetheless.
I do believe it's a oddly under appreciated film though.
Granted you read and hear stories that the film was practically saved in post production but even then A New Hope is still a seminal film in the genre.
When you compare A New Hope to the movies that were fighting in that particular genre at the time most of them, if not all, to quote Ridley Scott on the commentary of ALIEN when talking about the influence of Lucas's New Hope, plus Kubrick's 2001, "Looked crap".
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Its the only SW film I watch yearly. Timeless.
Fairly recently. It is great fun as a space opera should be. TESB was a better film but less fun. ROTJ was good, but Ewoks.
I like the deliberation of ANH. That movie is in no hurry at times. The shlockiness is surmountable.
The OG trilogy was on TV here a few weeks ago and they all still have me glued to the screen. Yes, Luke is a whingy fecker in ANH and the dialogue is hammy, but that's a big part of the charm. Star Wars wasn't a thing yet in the late 70s, so watching it with a 2022 lens is irrelevant. And even then, it's not half as dumb as the 500 billion dollar budget last Star Wars movie.
Sometimes I think people forget it was a genre defining film, breaking all sorts of norms at a blockbuster level, nobody had seen anything quite as epic as Star Wars. Does it stand up to modern standards? Obviously not, it was so long ago, but it still has qualities to appreciate for sure. It's definitely not a 'terrible film'.
This is a pretty well made fan edit, tbf.
What a bizarre couple of posts. De-escalated ANH down from 'one of the worst films ever' to 'not that good' in the space of a day, then the claim that both ANH and the prequels are simultaneously 'not very good' but also 'epic', and would be so no matter what. So is it epic or is it shit?
I actually thought episode 1 and 3 were awesome.
I'll grab my coat.
I'll grab my coat.
With or without Leia?
1983 Leia can hide under my coat. Dumb 2022 little brat Leia can feck off.
I like Leia's coke finger in ROTJ.
This episode is a rare, new hope. Proof that no matter how poor everything is, as long as certain basics are respected, Star Wars can always deliver. I have trash talked the first four episodes (and rightly so), but this one was genuinely good.
I expected goosebumps for the first meeting between Vader and PTSD Obi-Wan - I finally got them today in the opening scene's flashback. Padawan Anakin, with that ponytail, ready to train with his Master. That familiar style of lightsaber duel (kudos for at least remembering the attention to detail here), seen so many times in the prequels and in the Clone Wars. Anakin on the front foot, always aggressive, while Obi Wan barely holds on before clutching it last moment. Loved how they broke it up into smaller segments and drew parallels with the episode's events itself - that is the writing I've been waiting for. Anaking has turned to Lord Vader, but he will always remain second to his Jedi Master, always be the Padawan. Patterns repeat themselves, which is an underlying theme to the Force. Obi Wan's witty lines with a welcome return when he turned Reva against Vader, whose own dialogue had a familar subtle but menacing ring ("I am not interested in civilities/did you really believe I wouldn't know, youngling?").
Reva's best episode as well - even though we knew her switch to the Rebel cause was coming. The flashbacks to her youngling self, eyes wide in terror, her turning on Vader. Her dialogue was better written, and we can now see that she actually is a decent actor. Anyone who tries to take on Vader earns automatic character points, no matter how simply they are schooled. Four episodes late, but rather late than never. Don't think they'll kill her off, not when she knows of Luke.
My favourite part of the episode, though, was Vader tearing apart the massive Rebel carrier. Flood of memories from Rebels and Jedi Fallen Order as he tears massive chunks of metal apart and sends them hurling away in the wind. The sheer power. I am pleased I could see Hayden Christensen as Anakin, glad the OG characters are getting their well-earned respect, in awe of Vader's power and fury, and relieved they didn't drag Ahsoka in to make a political point.
One can always nitpick on more of the inconsistencies that were shown in this episode but they were fewer and overshadowed by everything the episode did get right. Thankfully they saved the canon by bringing the Grand Inquisitor back as well - his death can now be in the hands of Kanan and Ezra. (Tala's sacrifice reminded me of Chirrut Imwe in Rogue One as well). At the end of the day, it's costumed people with laser-swords travelling around in space. There will be absurdities that need a suspension of disbelief. Just give us good reasons why.
They missed a trick with Imperial March, hopefully they will make amends with Duel of the Fates, and perhaps a Binary Sunset. Reva's discovery and the close-up on Luke in the last scene suggest the finale will be in Tatooine (Have some sand, Annie!). Qui-Gon Jinn's yet to help his old Padawan, as well. Hope they build on this episode and give Obi-Wan a better send-off than Luke in the sequels - God knows he's earned one after being dicked around and burnt to toast.
I expected goosebumps for the first meeting between Vader and PTSD Obi-Wan - I finally got them today in the opening scene's flashback. Padawan Anakin, with that ponytail, ready to train with his Master. That familiar style of lightsaber duel (kudos for at least remembering the attention to detail here), seen so many times in the prequels and in the Clone Wars. Anakin on the front foot, always aggressive, while Obi Wan barely holds on before clutching it last moment. Loved how they broke it up into smaller segments and drew parallels with the episode's events itself - that is the writing I've been waiting for. Anaking has turned to Lord Vader, but he will always remain second to his Jedi Master, always be the Padawan. Patterns repeat themselves, which is an underlying theme to the Force. Obi Wan's witty lines with a welcome return when he turned Reva against Vader, whose own dialogue had a familar subtle but menacing ring ("I am not interested in civilities/did you really believe I wouldn't know, youngling?").
Reva's best episode as well - even though we knew her switch to the Rebel cause was coming. The flashbacks to her youngling self, eyes wide in terror, her turning on Vader. Her dialogue was better written, and we can now see that she actually is a decent actor. Anyone who tries to take on Vader earns automatic character points, no matter how simply they are schooled. Four episodes late, but rather late than never. Don't think they'll kill her off, not when she knows of Luke.
My favourite part of the episode, though, was Vader tearing apart the massive Rebel carrier. Flood of memories from Rebels and Jedi Fallen Order as he tears massive chunks of metal apart and sends them hurling away in the wind. The sheer power. I am pleased I could see Hayden Christensen as Anakin, glad the OG characters are getting their well-earned respect, in awe of Vader's power and fury, and relieved they didn't drag Ahsoka in to make a political point.
One can always nitpick on more of the inconsistencies that were shown in this episode but they were fewer and overshadowed by everything the episode did get right. Thankfully they saved the canon by bringing the Grand Inquisitor back as well - his death can now be in the hands of Kanan and Ezra. (Tala's sacrifice reminded me of Chirrut Imwe in Rogue One as well). At the end of the day, it's costumed people with laser-swords travelling around in space. There will be absurdities that need a suspension of disbelief. Just give us good reasons why.
They missed a trick with Imperial March, hopefully they will make amends with Duel of the Fates, and perhaps a Binary Sunset. Reva's discovery and the close-up on Luke in the last scene suggest the finale will be in Tatooine (Have some sand, Annie!). Qui-Gon Jinn's yet to help his old Padawan, as well. Hope they build on this episode and give Obi-Wan a better send-off than Luke in the sequels - God knows he's earned one after being dicked around and burnt to toast.
Return of the Jedi is my favourite. Am I the only one?
Also, Reva's description of how she survived Vader's culling of younglings felt very disturbing, but I couldn't put my finger on why at the moment.
Now I remember, it is reminiscent of the Uvalde school shooting survivor, 11-year old Miah, who smeared her classmates' blood on herself to blend in, play dead, and survive the shooter. Yeah, that was disturbing alright.
Now I remember, it is reminiscent of the Uvalde school shooting survivor, 11-year old Miah, who smeared her classmates' blood on herself to blend in, play dead, and survive the shooter. Yeah, that was disturbing alright.
I love it apart from the whole Ewok thing. Sadly that's a rather large part of it. Kinda similar to how I thought episode 2 wasn't that bad, aside from all the stuff with Hayden Christensen.
(I'm not saying episode 2 is as good as ROTJ mind you).
True. But they didn't annoy me as much as JJB. And AoTC was painful.
In case someone has a couple of hours to spare to watch some 1978 Star Wars that's so bad it's good. 
Starring Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and James Earl Jones.
Starring Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford and James Earl Jones.
Well it was originally going to be Wookies instead of Ewoks fighting the Troopers on Endor but I think Lucas just cheaped out on it.
Costumes were less involved and more importantly ,minor Warwick Davis, child actors were also dirt cheap.
I always thought that Lucas likes the idea of directing but actually doing it is a real chore for him.
Everyone says how 'ahead of the game' he was with the sequels being practically 95% CGI but really it boils down to his damn laziness in getting off his a$$ and doing some location scouting and designing real sets.
Lucas absolutely hated working in the Mojave Desert for a New Hope. After that experience he was done directing those original movies.
Costumes were less involved and more importantly ,minor Warwick Davis, child actors were also dirt cheap.
I always thought that Lucas likes the idea of directing but actually doing it is a real chore for him.
Everyone says how 'ahead of the game' he was with the sequels being practically 95% CGI but really it boils down to his damn laziness in getting off his a$$ and doing some location scouting and designing real sets.
Lucas absolutely hated working in the Mojave Desert for a New Hope. After that experience he was done directing those original movies.
This was a really good episode. Just hope for one more showdown with Obi and Vader.
This was a great episode.
My only complaint is the really shi*tty music, which made certain parts less dramatic.
There were some scenes that deserved The Imperial March in some form in that episode.
My only complaint is the really shi*tty music, which made certain parts less dramatic.
There were some scenes that deserved The Imperial March in some form in that episode.
That was better.
Thoroughly enjoyed that episode.
The sins of episode 4 are forgotten.
Really happy we got to see Christensen as Anakin. Would have been pointless to bring him back only to bury him under the Vader suit for most of the time, with a couple of added moments in the tank.
That was the first thing I thought of too
Really good episode, hopefully the finale is even better. Enjoyed the flashback stuff and the bit where Vader takes down a whole ship was epic.
That fight was really good. Reva made him look like a god.
better than the other episodes! Actually I enjoyed this one. I am surprised, hopefully the show stays on that level.
Well only one episode left now
Really good episode. Vader needs his own show.
Well wasn’t that good? Still some rather silly contrived elements to get the plot moving in the way it needed to but very enjoyable - best episode so far after last week’s dross setting up the finale well. Thought EM was very good too - been a bit dialled in so far but he turned up here.
It was alright. Reva is finally interesting, but my favorite character is still the grifter that was a nerd in Silicon Valley.
The final scenes at least made it worth to get through the episode beforehand, so there's that.
I was majorly weirded out by old-Hayden-Padawan-Anakin, but liked the whole thing of the training sequence drawn alongside the episode's proceedings.
I was majorly weirded out by old-Hayden-Padawan-Anakin, but liked the whole thing of the training sequence drawn alongside the episode's proceedings.
Right, going to start watching this tonight.
Cracking episode. Aside from last week's, I have enjoyed all of this though.
That would be awesome. Especially with Hayden back for flashbacks.