Pogmentary

hobbers · Jun 16, 2022

Jose was right. Pog apologists with egg on their faces.

He and Raiola had the same attitude to football. Extract as much money and commercial clout as you can and fecks to the rest.

Cant believe that pair of cretins genuinely thought he deserved to be made the best paid player in the league and offered Ronaldo money. For a guy who can't stay fit for 3 games in a row and puts in one good performance every two months.

McGrathsipan · Jun 16, 2022

I hate him.

Frank Grimes · Jun 16, 2022

The Pogvirus didn't get near as many offers as he was expecting. Great seeing him have to go back to Juve with his tail between his legs on a pay cut.
Jose and Ferguson had him well pegged.

diarm · Jun 16, 2022

I'm going to put any thread with Pogba in the title on ignore and then just live my life as though he never existed. He's not an important enough player for how much he and the circus around him annoys me.

TrustInJanuzaj · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
I don't know why this is lost on people - he's not saying 300k is nothing, he's saying the 10k raise from the 290k he was on is nothing.

Putting it in context, its about a 3% increment - I don't think anyone would seriously consider a 3% pay raise as substantial.

Oh no how will he ever pay his utility bills!

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

Pogue Mahone said:
What on earth did he do to deserve a pay rise?

Maybe nothing but the question is why did the club tell him they wanted him and then offered a rise if they didn't really mean it?

2 man midfield · Jun 16, 2022

We could have actually offered him nothing and I’d still feel ripped off.

tomaldinho1 · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
I don't know why this is lost on people - he's not saying 300k is nothing, he's saying the 10k raise from the 290k he was on is nothing.

Putting it in context, its about a 3% increment - I don't think anyone would seriously consider a 3% pay raise as substantial.

It's incredible they even offered any kind of rise at all to be honest. He arrived as one of the most exciting players in the world, wanted by all the European giants (I still find it funny Ballague cried when Barca refused to pay the fee as he wanted him there) and leaves with his reputation eroded, multiple season where he's been poor and massively injury prone. This is him at his peak as well.

Jezpeza · Jun 16, 2022

What does he do in the documentary, talk sat in the treatment room or analyse his performances and justify why they are so shit and lazy? He’s done nothing for several years then makes a documentary about the nothing the ridiculous cnut

OverratedOpinion · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
I don't know why this is lost on people - he's not saying 300k is nothing, he's saying the 10k raise from the 290k he was on is nothing.

Putting it in context, its about a 3% increment - I don't think anyone would seriously consider a 3% pay raise as substantial.

It is lost on people because what you are saying is nonsense.

This is not a regular salary where a 3% increase would mean less than 1k a year. This would be half a million per year.

Before you say it context does not matter as 1 he is not someone who has to concern themselves with inflation and 2 he does not merit a significant improvement based on job performance. Avoiding a salary decrease would be generous.

What utter tripe.

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

The Corinthian said:
He’s a multi multi multi millionaire. I get things are all relative but this is an awful take.

Are you saying millionaires shouldn't negotiate better wages from billionaire employers? Why?

Well, my point was simply, he didn't say "300k is nothing". He said the club offered nothing (by way of a pay rise) in the new contract.

If Pogba's saying wages of 300k a week are nothing, he sounds like a clown who is out of touch with reality. But he's not saying that. He's saying a 10k rise on his 290k is nothing--especially when the club has told him they really want him to stay.

That ought to be understandable -- even if you don't feel it's justified.

In a way, your post simply buttresses my point even though you don't realize it.

He is a multi multi multi-millionaire, so an extra 10 grand is nothing in terms of an improved contract.

UNITED ACADEMY · Jun 16, 2022

Jose was right to call him virus, while Sir Alex was right to not give him new contract as per his demand. He's too arrogant to play for this club. It's like he's doing all of these just to get a revenge because the club doesn't give what he wants, while 290k p.w seems not enough. I thought Pogba is religious guy and religious guy is supposed to be humble and should feel blessed with the money they are given. I guess not in Pogba's case. I wish he could be as humble as Mane at least.

Real Name · Jun 16, 2022

bosnian_red said:
Tbh I feel like it's a load of shit and is just face saving on his part. Doesn't want to make it seem like we offered him nothing. It's incredible the lack of self awareness. Releasing this documentary and thinking it gives him a good image is absolutely insane! This literally kills his character and gives United enemy #1 and a target to point at for so many issues. Comes across looking horrendous here.

29 year old talented player who never reached the hights making a documentary about himself. Doesn't sound good however you spin it. So glad he left.

harms · Jun 16, 2022

Leg-End said:
Who’s the target market for this documentary?

When they've released the trailer on YouTube the whole comment section was filled with fans praising Paul & putting the blame for his failure entirely on United (not that our management & coaching department are blameless in that situation, they've been shit as well throughout his stay).

He has more than 50 million followers on Instagram (and not only because he is a Man United player) plus those who only see him in big international tournaments instead of week in week out can be excused to think that he's indeed an outstanding player being used wrong.

So yeah, there's an audience.

The holy trinity 68 · Jun 16, 2022

Why do so many average footballers have documentaries and books.

harms · Jun 16, 2022

I'm certainly going to give it a watch at some point though. You'll obviously have to filter out a lot there but it's quite interesting to take a peek on the inside of our operations during that disastrous times.

DatIrishFella · Jun 16, 2022

Sorry, Jose.

GazTheLegend · Jun 16, 2022

harms said:
When they've released the trailer on YouTube the whole comment section was filled with fans praising Paul & putting the blame for his failure entirely on United (not that our management & coaching department are blameless in that situation, they've been shit as well throughout his stay).

He has more than 50 million followers on Instagram (and not only because he is a Man United player) plus those who only see him in big international tournaments instead of week in week out can be excused to think that he's indeed an outstanding player being used wrong.

So yeah, there's an audience.

I'd watch it because I hate myself enough that I wouldn't mind sitting through a few hours of his nonsense. I think players like him are exactly what Mourinho said he was: A virus that you need out the system. And I want to see quite the damage this virus did and what was going through our club at the time, because it's interesting. Yes he has a lot of fans, it's quite insane the influence the guy has, but that's just fantastic marketing + youtube tricks he's capable of. He was a perfect fit for Woodward's Manchester United. No substance, no heart, just all commercial narcissism.

Raw · Jun 16, 2022

DatIrishFella said:
Sorry, Jose.

Remember when he posted that picture of him smirking on Instagram the day that Jose got sacked? Fecking alarm bells there.

OverratedOpinion · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
If Pogba's saying wages of 300k a week are nothing, he sounds like a clown who is out of touch with reality. But he's not saying that. He's saying a 10k rise on his 290k is nothing--especially when the club has told him they really want him to stay.

Complaining about "only" getting paid 10k more than his 290k per week salary after underperforming in his job makes him sound like a clown who is out of touch with reality.

You are making an idiot distinction that doesn't matter.

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

OverratedOpinion said:
It is lost on people because what you are saying is nonsense.

This is not a regular salary where a 3% increase would mean less than 1k a year. This would be half a million per year.

Before you say it context does not matter as 1 he is not someone who has to concern themselves with inflation and 2 he does not merit a significant improvement based on job performance. Avoiding a salary decrease would be generous.

What utter tripe.

Of course context matters. Suggesting that it doesn't is frankly absurd. There is no job in the world where you are not entitled to meaningful pay rises simply because you already earn a lot.

That is as absurd as suggesting that a person making a 3% pay rise on a 30k salary should be content because an extra 1k can feed a family for 6 months in some African countries.

Suggesting that millionaires do not have to worry about inflation is also just silly. Millionaires can very easily go broke without sensible financial management, which of course includes protecting all assets (including earnings) against the effects of inflation.

The only sensible thing you've said is that he doesn't deserve a pay rise, which while valid as an argument, is only valid to the extent that all opinions are. What matters is that the club told the player they want to keep him and offered a rise. Do you expect him, on the strength of your opinion to demand a decrease then?

Actually you've said nothing sensible at all.

Can7onA · Jun 16, 2022

Him and Lukaku back to Serie A with their tails between their legs, wastemen.

harms · Jun 16, 2022

GazTheLegend said:
I'd watch it because I hate myself enough that I wouldn't mind sitting through a few hours of his nonsense. I think players like him are exactly what Mourinho said he was: A virus that you need out the system. And I want to see quite the damage this virus did and what was going through our club at the time, because it's interesting. Yes he has a lot of fans, it's quite insane the influence the guy has, but that's just fantastic marketing + youtube tricks he's capable of. He was a perfect fit for Woodward's Manchester United. No substance, no heart, just all commercial narcissism.

I really hate that label, it feels wrong to call any human a virus and it feels especially rich coming from someone as destructive to his own environment as old Mourinho.

Call him unprofessional, commodified and, certainly, underwhelming compared to his talent, but a virus just doesn’t sit right with me.

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

tomaldinho1 said:
It's incredible they even offered any kind of rise at all to be honest. He arrived as one of the most exciting players in the world, wanted by all the European giants (I still find it funny Ballague cried when Barca refused to pay the fee as he wanted him there) and leaves with his reputation eroded, multiple season where he's been poor and massively injury prone. This is him at his peak as well.

I wouldn't dispute that - but he's also not wrong for calling the offer nothing. Both statements can be true.

FreakyJim · Jun 16, 2022

I get Ronaldo having a documentary, Messi, Pele, Maradona. But this guy? If his greatest achievement is the World Cup then where's Mazinho's documentary?

We need an rvn · Jun 16, 2022

The holy trinity 68 said:
Why do so many average footballers have documentaries and books.

Because they have good agents who somehow have managed to sell their rags to riches sob story of growing up in a rough neighbourhood to become one of the 0.012% of those who make it...and then there's those who watch the documentaries and buy the books unlike obviously yourself and me who don't give a rats arse

2 man midfield · Jun 16, 2022

DatIrishFella said:
Sorry, Jose.

Agreed. Him and Fergie were right all along. The problem I have with this is that Jose fecking signed him. Remember when Fergie would do his research on a players character, talk to his friends, family etc. All Jose had to do was walk up the corridor and pop his head into Fergie’s office.

OverratedOpinion · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
Of course context matters. Suggesting that it doesn't is frankly absurd. There is no job in the world where you are not entitled to meaningful pay rises simply because you already earn a lot.

That is as absurd as suggesting that a person making a 3% pay rise on a 30k salary should be content because an extra 1k can feed a family for 6 months in some African countries.

Suggesting that millionaires do not have to worry about inflation is also just silly. Millionaires can very easily go broke without sensible financial management, which of course includes protecting all assets (including earnings) against the effects of inflation.

The only sensible thing you've said is that he doesn't deserve a pay rise, which while valid as an argument, is only valid to the extent that all opinions are. What matters is that the club told the player they want to keep him and offered a rise. Do you expect him, on the strength of your opinion to demand a decrease then?

Actually you've said nothing sensible at all.

A large reason that we look at percentages of pay increases is because of inflation. You are right a small amount of GBP can be huge in some countries but all of these things we are taking into account are most relevant at the lower end of society. THAT is where context matters. I cut it out as you were clearly missing it and I didn't want to highlight it too badly.

If he had performed to a reasonable level then he would be right to accept a more significant pay increase, that is not the case which you are totally ignoring.

It is the combination of us living in a reality where people can't pay their gas bills and also get food and hearing him talk dismissively about 520k extra a year WHILST also having totally underperformed (undebatable).

If you are arguing that the above is okay then I don't see how you think you have a leg to stand on. Insult me as much as you want but you are coming across as having a really weird perspective.

harms · Jun 16, 2022

DatIrishFella said:
Sorry, Jose.

2 man midfield said:
Agreed. Him and Fergie were right all along. The problem I have with this is that Jose fecking signed him. Remember when Fergie would do his research on a players character, talk to his friends, family etc. All Jose had to do was walk up the corridor and pop his head into Fergie’s office.

Ferguson was trying his best to keep him. And José doesn't deserve an apology since he was already in a self-destruct mode at the time, trying to set the place on fire before getting fired himself.

I kinda hate when one thing (Pogba being unprofessional and, in general, a horrible signing) is somehow used either as a confirmation of something that didn't happen (Fergie forcing him out of the club or not being happy with him) or as a post-factum rehabilitation of an equally (if not more) toxic individual that never had club's interests as his first priority.

OverratedOpinion · Jun 16, 2022

harms said:
Ferguson was trying his best to keep him. And José doesn't deserve an apology since he was already in a self-destruct mode at the time, trying to set the place on fire before getting fired himself.

I kinda hate when one thing (Pogba being unprofessional and, in general, a horrible signing) is somehow used either as a confirmation of something that didn't happen (Fergie forcing him out of the club or not being happy with him) or as a post-factum rehabilitation of an equally (if not more) toxic individual that never had club's interests as his first priority.

Agree with this, Pogba and Jose were both the wrong signings. It isn't mutually exclusive.

Tavern in the town · Jun 16, 2022

2 man midfield said:
Agreed. Him and Fergie were right all along. The problem I have with this is that Jose fecking signed him. Remember when Fergie would do his research on a players character, talk to his friends, family etc. All Jose had to do was walk up the corridor and pop his head into Fergie’s office.

Fergie sent Evra to his house to try and persuade him to stay.

Giggsyking · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
Are you saying millionaires shouldn't negotiate better wages from billionaire employers? Why?

Well, my point was simply, he didn't say "300k is nothing". He said the club offered nothing (by way of a pay rise) in the new contract.

If Pogba's saying wages of 300k a week are nothing, he sounds like a clown who is out of touch with reality. But he's not saying that. He's saying a 10k rise on his 290k is nothing--especially when the club has told him they really want him to stay.

That ought to be understandable -- even if you don't feel it's justified.

In a way, your post simply buttresses my point even though you don't realize it.

He is a multi multi multi-millionaire, so an extra 10 grand is nothing in terms of an improved contract.

What a load of nonsense this post is. Very very few players get a rise on their salaries at his age. Most get reduced wages. He should have been thankful we offered him that.

DRJosh · Jun 16, 2022

VP89 said:
Did we actually offer him 300k

That is the real tragedy in this saga.

Infra-red · Jun 16, 2022

DRJosh said:
That is the real tragedy in this saga.

The tragedy would have been if he had accepted it. Thank goodness he's gone.

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

Giggsyking said:
What a load of nonsense this post is. Very very few players get a rise on their salaries at his age. Most get reduced wages. He should have been thankful we offered him that.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted. If I may speak a little slower for your benefit:

I didn't say he deserved more.

I said what was offered can legitimately be considered relatively nothing in terms of a pay rise.

So maybe he really deserved no pay rise or a nothing pay rise.

That is a subjective argument that I don't have an opinion on.

The point is:

People making a point about him supposedly calling 300k a week nothing, are misunderstanding what was meant.

DRJosh · Jun 16, 2022

Infra-red said:
The tragedy would have been if he had accepted it. Thank goodness he's gone.

True but one would hope that the days of us offering ludicrous wages to underperforming players were over

Ibi Dreams · Jun 16, 2022

Multi millionaires should probably actually just shut up about how much money they earn. It isn't a good look on anyone

The Corinthian · Jun 16, 2022

The Original said:
Are you saying millionaires shouldn't negotiate better wages from billionaire employers? Why?

Well, my point was simply, he didn't say "300k is nothing". He said the club offered nothing (by way of a pay rise) in the new contract.

If Pogba's saying wages of 300k a week are nothing, he sounds like a clown who is out of touch with reality. But he's not saying that. He's saying a 10k rise on his 290k is nothing--especially when the club has told him they really want him to stay.

That ought to be understandable -- even if you don't feel it's justified.

In a way, your post simply buttresses my point even though you don't realize it.

He is a multi multi multi-millionaire, so an extra 10 grand is nothing in terms of an improved contract.

Nonsense. Again, apply a degree of ‘it’s relative’ but Pogba moaning about a £300k pw offer just shows how out of touch and genuinely deluded he is. This is separate to all of his other income which would include image rights, endorsements and investments.

He’s greedy and I’m glad he’s someone else’s problem now.

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

OverratedOpinion said:
A large reason that we look at percentages of pay increases is because of inflation. You are right a small amount of GBP can be huge in some countries but all of these things we are taking into account are most relevant at the lower end of society. THAT is where context matters. I cut it out as you were clearly missing it and I didn't want to highlight it too badly.

If he had performed to a reasonable level then he would be right to accept a more significant pay increase, that is not the case which you are totally ignoring.

It is the combination of us living in a reality where people can't pay their gas bills and also get food and hearing him talk dismissively about 520k extra a year WHILST also having totally underperformed (undebatable).

If you are arguing that the above is okay then I don't see how you think you have a leg to stand on. Insult me as much as you want but you are coming across as having a really weird perspective.

Inflation is relevant at all levels. People at the lower levels may feel the pinch more, but I don't see how that is an argument for people at higher levels to be careless with their money. I'd love an explanation.

Also, tell me, if your boss says to you, hey Overrated, we really value you and want to keep you so we're going to offer a 3% pay rise to prove it, you're going to say, oh no, I've been terrible the past year, please reduce my wages?

You seem unable to grasp the concept that the player takes the assessment of his value and feedback on his performance from his employers not you the random, would-be, know it all.

The Original · Jun 16, 2022

The Corinthian said:
Nonsense. Again, apply a degree of ‘it’s relative’ but Pogba moaning about a £300k pw offer just shows how out of touch and genuinely deluded he is. This is separate to all of his other income which would include image rights, endorsements and investments.

He’s greedy and I’m glad he’s someone else’s problem now.

Then all footballers are greedy because all of them would do the same. And if all of them are greedy by your terms, then none of them is greedy by theirs, for doing what they all would.

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