UK Rail Strikes

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Out of interest how did that work?

Statistics show that National Rail passenger numbers dropped as low as 4% of normal capacity during Covid and didn't hit more than 50% for well over a year (70% took 18 months).

Are you saying we were still running the exact same amount of services when there was a 96% drop in passengers?
At network rail we provide the track and the signalling of trains...I think you are getting mixed up with the train operating companies that run the services. Obviously services were reduced, but I was answering a question where you presumed I didn't work full time through covid. I did.
 

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At network rail we provide the track and the signalling of trains...I think you are getting mixed up with the train operating companies that run the services. Obviously services were reduced, but I was answering a question where you presumed I didn't work full time through covid. I did.
Apologies I didn't mean yourself personally, I meant across the service. My assumption was that given passenger numbers dropped by up to 96% then it would naturally follow that workers would have worked less hours, especially given your confirmation that services were reduced.

So the question is - if services were reduced were staff hours reduced as well? If yes did staff take a commensurate reduction in wage to match their reduction in hours?
 

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Apologies I didn't mean yourself personally, I meant across the service. My assumption was that given passenger numbers dropped by up to 96% then it would naturally follow that workers would have worked less hours, especially given your confirmation that services were reduced.

So the question is - if services were reduced were staff hours reduced as well? If yes did staff take a commensurate reduction in wage to match their reduction in hours?
Operation staff were full time so we didn't ask for any wage reduction. My understanding is if you were furloughed then your wage was at 80 percent anyway so you wouldn't need to ask for a reduction. I'm not sure why you keep asking me of we asked for a wage reduction when we worked full time.

Train services run a reduced rate on Sundays....Guess what, we work full time then too.
 

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Apologies I didn't mean yourself personally, I meant across the service. My assumption was that given passenger numbers dropped by up to 96% then it would naturally follow that workers would have worked less hours, especially given your confirmation that services were reduced.

So the question is - if services were reduced were staff hours reduced as well? If yes did staff take a commensurate reduction in wage to match their reduction in hours?
They were furloughed. What do you think happened?

Even in the unlikely situation that full time staff were asked to reduce their hours, that clearly would have resulted in a wage cut, otherwise what would be the point in reducing the hours?
 

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@finneh your posts are talking some real nonsense here, unless I'm mistaken on your meaning.

Are you saying that if I advertise one job, and ten people apply, that job is overpaid and the successful candidate is somehow depriving someone else of a job? That they could have done for less money and been grateful for the privilege? Real race to the bottom stuff.
 

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Todays daily mail front page.
'LABOUR ISNT WORKING'

No doubt plenty of its readers will fall for this utter bs. Its a sad inditement of this country.
 

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Many left wing commentators could take a leaf out Mick Lynch's book, straight talking, and calling out the bs when he sees it. Obviously, he knows his brief far better than many of those he's up against too, and makes that clear.
 

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Todays daily mail front page.
'LABOUR ISNT WORKING'

No doubt plenty of its readers will fall for this utter bs. Its a sad inditement of this country.
If Labour isn’t working, it’s probably a good time to call a general election.
 

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Superb stuff

a reminder that your "free" and "democratic" press is not free or democratic. man who advocates for union must first deny he is a Marxist. that's mccarthyism. all railworkers and their reps are then accused of supporting Putin. as soon as working class people mount a completely legitimate and fair challenge to inadequate working conditions in a cogent and cohesive way they're treated by the media as criminals.

the media exists to serve capital and shit on normal working people. the idea that more public sector workers seeking a payrise is a terrible thing, according to the government, tells you all you need to know about how and what the establishment thinks of the working class. also tells you how bad faith the "nurses earn less" argument is when the government's biggest concern is that they could organise so that they might earn more. in a sane and equal society people who go on strike and their representatives would not have to spend most of their time defending themselves from personal attacks. they're being treated to the "Putin puppet" and "Kremlin stooge" line of argument that many people on this very website idiotically repeated over the past few months. you now see how absolutely braindead that form of attack is.
 
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I quite like Mick Lynch. Just watched a compilation of him making knobs of the press and politicians.
 

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Apparently the 2017 and 2019 Tory intakes were not fully vetted as both elections were held at short notice. That's the posh way of saying they are all massively thick and unqualified.
But he's especially limited.
 

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cant help but think that Gullis has got the same sort of right wing mentoring behind him that the likes of LB and MTG have in America. Dumb as bricks and particularly nasty.
 

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the british military hasn't fought a single defensive action since world war two. Falklands is the only one which would qualify and it was for the defense of a couple of thousand people thousands of miles away from Britain. this "our troops defend and protect us" thing is bullshit for the most part. it's also been imported in its current form from the American tradition of "protect our troops" which serves the same purpose of viral stupidity and trojan horse patriotism, making people think that the army is in their interest when in fact it is trade unions and labour organisers which defend and protect more people in Britian than the army ever has or will. the fecking state of the British propaganda press is disgusting at this point.

it's also in bad faith with respect to veterans as successive governments have completely fecked them over on many issues which is why you see unions for veterans pressuring the government to do more for those who suffer with PTSD alcoholism and all sorts of things after and during their terms of service. basically the press owned by the billionaire class is now using any issue it can to try and divide different interest groups among the same class while all the time it fecks over each of these groups on an individual basis, repeatedly.
 
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25 June - the one day each year people can remember service men and women who have died in the service of their country.
That and the 11th of November. I think they may both be the one day each year when we can remember service personnel who died for their country.
 

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You believe what polls tell you??
It’s not just a few polls here and there but a trend that goes back years now and is also lines with up voting patterns in general elections and referendums. It even shows up in other countries such as America.

The political difference between generations is a real thing, sadly.
 

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Of course they should be paid more but my main point is train drivers are earning a wage way, way, way above their station and in comparison to other jobs its disgusting.
Above their station? Get to feck. Can you operate a train?
 

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On a side note here but why should train drivers earn more? They're already on a wage north of 50k which is considerably more than nurses or police. Their wage is actually scandalous considering the job they actually do. Or am I missing some important information here?
I know it's been over 24 hours, but has anyone pointed out to you that train drivers aren't actually the ones striking?
 

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That and the 11th of November. I think they may both be the one day each year when we can remember service personnel who died for their country.
That and any other day of the year you like can be the one day each year you can remember them. Conveniently you can also remember them from any location as well which means you don't need to get on a train.