Vision for what? How can you make a pass that isn’t there? If he played the ball into the channel he would be passing it to nobody, our forward players simply didn’t move last season. I’ve never seen a team as static.
Just look at the way RR has the Austria national team pressing after only a couple of games. Our players are lazy they refused to make runs, refused to press and refused to fight for the team. Look at the Liverpool games. We were as static as statues. It was embarrassing to watch professional football players give up the way they did.
You’re trying to use Pogba as a stick to beat McTominay with really? Pogba is arguably the worst signing in the club’s history. Come on. As for Matic. He was slower than a tortoise and couldn’t play a full game.
Fred probably had his best season for us in a United shirt, but his passes are usually short and direct. Personally, I think he will shine under ten Hag
As an overall player for what they bring to the team, I'm more than happy to say that McTominay was a more important midfielder than Pogba and Matic have been the last couple of seasons. I've said it multiple times during those seasons. That's very much a sad indictment on them though than anything positive about McTominay. Despite all his limitations and weaknesses, he still provided a better base and stability than what they did with their incredible inconsistency.
But we're talking specifically about vision, movement and passing. You seem to be saying that what McTominay was providing was the best you could possibly get in a dysfunctional team, yet all three of our other midfielders prove that wrong. They all found it much easier to move into the correct spaces to get on the ball, and then have the vision and the ability to play better passes than what Scott does. They aren't even particularly great at it themselves, yet they are still clearly better at it. It wasn't just last season either, which is the other thing you seem to be claiming. It's been a constant throughout his entire time in the team (although admittedly the lack of movement around him is something that's also been there his entire time). Henderson would also do it better than what McTominay would, as would I suspect over half the first choice midfielders in the Premier League. It's a massive weakness of Scott's, no matter how the team around him performs.
You would be saying the exact same thing about Henderson if he played for United as you do for McTominay. Id guarantee it. Liverpool fans were saying it about Henderson before the team started to become successful.
I’ve said this before. You only see the benefit of a player like McTominay when he is playing in a winning team. He does all the dirty work, he follows the managers instructions to the letter. He does the type of work that goes unnoticed by fans, but is appreciated by those within the game. I posted a thread in the newbie section in regards to social media and the effect it has on fans perception of players. McTominay falls into that category
If I get your point right, you're saying that the negative perception of McTominay is related to social media and how they talk about him?
I would actually make the exact opposite argument with McTominay. For most of his time here social media and the media in general has been incredibly kind to him, treating him much nicer than what they have most other players in our team despite them outperforming him. His normal partner Fred is the obvious example; the level of criticism and outright dislike for him absolutely dwarfs what Scott has had, yet he's been comfortably better pretty much the entire time. It was only during last season that it started to change a bit and the media started highlighting Scott's flaws.
The one thing I will say is that there have been the odd games here and there which has given me hope that Scott does actually have the ability to do much better than what he has, but he just needs the correct training. And I'm not talking about the matches against Leeds or whatnot where he does well on a purely individual level. As a central midfielder his most important job is to, in one way or another, provide the framework for the team to function and perform better. He did it for a few matches when Rangnick took over, I remember he did it very well against Spurs in 20/21, and he did have a period in 18/19 (or it may have even been 17/18) where he seemed to be developing that aspect. The issue is that those are basically the only times he's done the most important basics of a central midfielder well. If he was younger I'd have more hope that maybe ETH could develop that aspect of him, but I just see it as very unlikely at this point. As I said before though, I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I certainly don't have any personal dislike for him or anything.