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You can talk technique all you want but Crawley fundamentally has no idea of when to play shots and when not to play shots. Anything outside off and he shits his pants in excitement.
 

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Why do we keep persisting with Zak 'nicking off' Crawley when it's palably obvious that he isn't good enough?

Ah, because we won the last three tests and every time you win a test it buys the rubbish players a life. Stupid, stupid policy.
 

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Why the feck do we keep persisting with Zak 'nicking off' Crawley.

Ah, because we won the last three tests and that automatically buys you a life. Stupid, stupid policy.
I wouldn’t be shocked if no matter the result this is his last game for a while. Albeit this is dependent on there being a replacement, which is an issue
 

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I wouldn’t be shocked if no matter the result this is his last game for a while. Albeit this is dependent on there being a replacement, which is an issue
Yes, there's not many openers who scream, 'test quality' in the CC.

Maybe Compton and Bell-Drummond (who's been around the England set up) could be. Bell-Drummond certainly has a touch of class, from what I've seen.

It's weird that Kent is suddenly England's go-to option for test openers but it's more indicative of the general dearth of options and the form guide, I guess.
 
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Ben Compton is scoring plenty of runs, but wonder if England see his SR of 40 as too slow.
Surely the role of the openers in this side should be to give the middle order the best platform to do their thing. It doesn’t need to be full throttle from 1-11.
 

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Ben Compton is scoring plenty of runs, but wonder if England see his SR of 40 as too slow.
Yes, there's not many openers who scream, 'test quality' in the CC.

Maybe Compton and Bell-Drummond (who's been around the England set up) could be. Bell-Drummond certainly has a touch of class, from what I've seen.

It's weird that Kent is suddenly England's go-to option for test openers but it's more indicative of the general dearth of options and the form guide, I guess.
Compton has had a wonderful start to the season, but he had never played a first class game before November. I can definitely see why they aren’t confident in him yet.

I think I’ve mentioned in here already but Sibley being back in by the end of the year. He looks to have changed his technique completely and is scoring about as well as any non-Compton opener
 

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Surely the role of the openers in this side should be to give the middle order the best platform to do their thing. It doesn’t need to be full throttle from 1-11.
If you look back over the last twenty or so years, England have always wanted at least one opener capable of playing shots (Stewart, Vaughan, Trescothick) alongside a more defensive opener (Strauss, Cook, Atherton)

I agree that it shouldn't matter, but it has been more or less baked into the selection process for a while now. That obsession is why Crawley is playing there when he just is not an opening batsmen.
 

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If you look back over the last twenty or so years, England have always wanted at least one opener capable of playing shots (Stewart, Vaughan, Trescothick) alongside a more defensive opener (Strauss, Cook, Atherton)

I agree that it shouldn't matter, but it has been more or less baked into the selection process for a while now.
Strauss and Cook were a partnership for a long time, and our most successful time, to be fair.
 

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Compton has had a wonderful start to the season, but he had never played a first class game before November. I can definitely see why they aren’t confident in him yet.

I think I’ve mentioned in here already but Sibley being back in by the end of the year. He looks to have changed his technique completely and is scoring about as well as any non-Compton opener
Yeah, I watch Sibley recently and he does seem to have fixed the weird bat-wofting that was clearly counter-productive. He also looked less side-on and more open and surprise, surprise, he was playing straighter.

It's amazing that it had never occurred to him before but he's not the only one with technical issues. To his credit, he has shown good powers of concentration and the fact he has rejigged his technique is encouraging. Certainly wouldn't rule him out.
 

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If you look back over the last twenty or so years, England have always wanted at least one opener capable of playing shots (Stewart, Vaughan, Trescothick) alongside a more defensive opener (Strauss, Cook, Atherton)

I agree that it shouldn't matter, but it has been more or less baked into the selection process for a while now. That obsession is why Crawley is playing there when he just is not an opening batsmen.
England just need to find the 2 best blokes who open and hope it works out. In recent years they’ve picked blokes with odd techniques and significant issues which meant their game would never be successful in test cricket. I don’t think they can be too prescriptive considering they haven’t replace Strauss yet, never mind Cook.
 

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Especially not with bowlers of our pace.
Bloke on 100 gets out to a straight one on the stumps so why wouldn’t you try the same to Shami and Bumrah? The daft thing is they did it last night to Shami too, slept on it and still thought it was a good idea. Hopefully McCullum starts to be a bit more hands on tactically to reign in these funky tactics England seem to resort to.
 

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Strauss and Cook were a partnership for a long time, and our most successful time, to be fair.
Yep, that's a very good point. Although I think Strauss was generally more versatile than Cook and he could play a more aggressive role if required. Though to be fair, it would be hard to couple him alongside Stewart, Trescothick or Vaughan as someone who would 'take on' the new ball.

Strauss and Cook probably just had a bit more positivity to it as a pairing than say Cook and Nick Compton.

England just need to find the 2 best blokes who open and hope it works out. In recent years they’ve picked blokes with odd techniques and significant issues which meant their game would never be successful in test cricket. I don’t think they can be too prescriptive considering they haven’t replace Strauss yet, never mind Cook.
Yep, Strauss was a very good opener, too. Always felt that he was a better player than his average (just over 40) shows.
 

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Yeah, I watch Sibley recently and he does seem to have fixed the weird bat-wofting that was clearly counter-productive. He also looked less side-on and more open and surprise, surprise, he was playing straighter.

It's amazing that it had never occurred to him before but he's not the only one with technical issues. To his credit, he has shown good powers of concentration and the fact he has rejigged his technique is encouraging. Certainly wouldn't rule him out.
I do quite like Sibley. He’s got a lot of grit about him and it shines through. He obviously has/had flaws at that level but I liked his mindset.

Funnily enough he’d probably have been an ideal opener for this summer, he might only score 8 but he’d probably chew up the balls where the new ball is doing a bit and protect Pope/Root better than Lees and particularly Crawley has. As much as I’m loving this cricket we’ve played I’d feel a lot more comfortable if the openers were sticking around longer, even if they did only score as many as these are.
 

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will we get much play today? It's good cricket to watch -- Root is playing well..
 

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Lees has largely been fine since coming in. I’m not writing him off yet but I’ll admit to not thinking he’s the answer.

Crawley is the eternal discussion, definitely a player in there but his confidence is absolutely shot far too easily. I just don’t think he’s an opener and should go away and play in the county game for a year or so and find himself.

He’s feels like the typical ECB future England captain choice, particularly with Key in his role. This is definitely not helping him because he’s in such a charmed position that the fans are turning on him for it.

While true and what separates him from Anderson, Broad’s spells where he’s absolutely unplayable are hard to argue with. Not many players in the world ever have one of those spells, while Broad has had numerous.
Has Lees really been fine? Probably only within the context of how bad our opening situation has been but not in relation to what it should be or what other nations have.

Crawley has never looked good enough at any stage. All style and no substance. They can't keep saying he plays a nice drive when he's producing nothing at test or domestic level.
 

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Very good bowling and very good batting from Root. Bairstow is hanging on — the in swinger on length is his weakness and Bumrah is bowling there.
 

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Really hard work out there, would be delighted to end the day 3 down.

Forecast clear from tomorrow BTW.
 

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Strange batting from Root. Must have played and missed that shot 3/4 times in the last 15 mins then eventually nicks it.
 

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Strange batting from Root. Must have played and missed that shot 3/4 times in the last 15 mins then eventually nicks it.
He looked very good before he got the cut out. Played it to a ball too full, and now to one too short
 

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Is there any rivalry (playful or more) between India and Sri Lanka Cricket wise?
 

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Is there any rivalry (playful or more) between India and Sri Lanka Cricket wise?
Nope. It’s very friendly — the BCCI has a habit of arranging tours to Sri Lanka regularly when their board needs a bail out. Even now with Sri Lankan economy in crisis, India has done a fair bit to help them out.

India and Bangladesh has a bit of a rivalry.
 

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Nope. It’s very friendly — the BCCI has a habit of arranging tours to Sri Lanka regularly when their board needs a bail out. Even now with Sri Lankan economy in crisis, India has done a fair bit to help them out.

India and Bangladesh has a bit of a rivalry.
Cheers, just curious as we have Kumar on commentary in the UK.